Is it possible to do 500+ joins a day without affilliates?
 

I see a few programs owners saying they get 1000's of joins a day... but they may make $10 in profits after expenses.

Is it possible to do 500 a day without affilliates? The profit margin would be very sexy.

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I would say it's possible if you launched a serious advert champagin. Offline as well...

id love to be the one to do it

possible yes, but money saved from aff payouts would have to go to advertising

Judging from the stats he posted... not really 500 joins a day. That means he'd make something like 8 mills a year.

no such thing as a free lunch

Of course it is.

Now That's Fucked Up did it.

Just come up with a fresh idea that attracts attention.

With spelling like that, you wont be in marketing long.

get 500 credits and use the to sign up each day :)

Lol, we'll see.

PornWolf you think $10 is the profit amount many of the larger pps programs are making?

Anything is possible. I see 500 joins a day without affilates hard to do if you don't have multiple sites these days.

That would certainly be a nice day in the office

its possible, but definitely not easy. and your profit margin wouldnt be THAT much higher than affiliates, because i'd assume you're buying all kinds of advertising.

Whether you have affiliates or not, one way or another you're going to have to buy the traffic, so it's really all the same.

If you had 500 sales per day on your own traffic right now you wouldn't be asking this question, so I can safely assume that you don't.
So you're either going to have to buy enough traffic to get to 500 joins a day or you're going to have to pay affiliates to send you traffic. (and you have a snowballs chance in hell of doing that kind of volume on a revshare program, you'll need the bankroll to pay per signup)

Im sure there are programs that do 1000+ a day but without affiliates thats pretty impossible imho. Or you gotta do an immense adbudget campaign.

Anyhow youre talkin nett profit. With a 10k daily ad campaign nett profit will be as low as with affiliates sales as well.

Plus

a good affiliate will send members upsell targeted tgp traffic etc, thatll convert great. Where are you gonna buy traffic like that, exit popup 404 etc even skimmed wont convert 1:20-50 like upsell does.

There's part of a possible answer.

If you could somehow make porn "viral", while targetting users that aren't smart enough to get free porn on their own I'd say it's possible.

We need a perfect 100% english to send you sales? i tought we sell porn.

Who says overall (!) profit margin is better without affiliates? Doing all the marketing, traffic purchases, ROI analysis on each traffic source (pain in the ass) yourself will cost money and time. Time = money.

Not to mention site updating, network, servers, support, downtime management, security, leaked passwords etc. for 500x30x2.5=35k+ members adds a lot of fixed costs on your budget.

It certainly is possible, I know of one who does. Of course you'd be needing to buy a lot of traffic from a ton of sources to achieve these kinds of margins. And by the time you figure out your ROI, it shrinks quite a bit on volume. But it definitely is possible.
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why would be do so though, without affiliates people would lose out on so many sales.

You bring up some good points. Time is money

anything is possible....dreams do come true

you got a plan? :pimp

Dude, $10 a day! Fuck, thats like $3650 a year. Are you saying thats not a lot?!?!?!?!?

I think that would very hard to accomplish.

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I did ate for the game Brazil - Ghana, yummmm

No, that was an exaggerated number for effect.

I do think many have margins that don't make sense though. :2 cents:

No, I'm definitely not doing 500 a day right now.

I'm just throwing the question out there. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has thought about it.

Other than the remaining few hardcore mailers who does these kinds of numbers?

I see the argument that says "you are going to have to pay for the joins anyway." I agree with that, but after having paid for quite a few joins myself over he last 6 years I can safely say they don't cost $30 per unless something is terribly wrong.

heh, and I thought you meant $10/sale, with 500 sales per day for example, $5k profit per day isn't too bad...

The more joins you buy that way the more expensive they will get because you will have to get less and less targeted traffic in order to scale up your numbers.

If you could "buy" the first 100 joins/day for $20 because you found a way to target your audience well. Things become harder and harder from there. Possibly it will cost $60 a join to go from signup #500 to 750 since buyers will become more and more scarce for your product. I would think this is a non-linear relationship, maybe comparable to bid/ask prices in spot markets.

Generating your own traffic is not a bad idea per se, you just can't economically scale it up indefinitely.

Very good points i have to say. I can see why perfectgonzo is where it's at

Its most likely possible but the good thing about affiliates is that you pay them per join where with bought traffic you could be spending lots and get nothing in return.

Sure, if you have multiple niche sites with targetted traffic sources that u get yourself or employees. I know some ppl who employ people who know nothing about the industry to submit, post, etc & you only have to pay them a fraction of what they'd make as an affiliate...

I love posts like this, good info

If you are spreading your net to a wide variety of niches I don't see this as much of a problem as if it were spread across a few.

CCBills biggest customer only gets 20% of sales from affilates.

I would say that there are SEOs making the equivalent of 500 joins a day in income. eg. the 5 billion page google spammer - he might have been doing a million clicks a day for all we know. Mainstream PPC programs have really opened up the revenue opportunities for SEOs because now there's a way to monetize traffic for just about any keyphrase you can think of.

Great post David. I think of it in terms of increasing speed of a vehicle into air resistance. It's not as simple as 2x the HP = 2x the speed. Many other considerations to get those kind of target results.

It would seem that the only realistic way to accomplish that amount of daily members without affiliates is create a product that is revolutionary, NOT a fad and talked about continually over an extended period of time on mainstream venues. And it would require this product to be EASY to find. Sounds difficult to sustain that amount of joins over a large period of time without first owning the traffic for the product type.

only if you have 500 credits cards

Yea maybe if ure PORNWOLF!!!!!!

Basically multiple front ends... covering serveral niches.. any and all options not excluded for "traffic getting" ie buy the heads.

If some network sites don't get 500 signs with 50 "cash registers" running - there is something wrong.

10 bucks a day is chump change dude... crackheads on the street make a lot more then that.

Certainly possible if you have a big enough budget, what David said about ROI is certainly correct, the bigger you get the less profit there will be to take out.

Programs can not do it all, affilates can reach out and get more traffic to your program than you can by yourself. If your buying traffic that takes time, staff and big expenses. So weather your paying affilates $25 for a join or if your paying Google $20 for a join and spending $5 in staff to get that join it could work out pretty similar in the long run.

Of course i'm talking big numbers here I know buying smaller targeted traffic PPC etc can be alot more profitable without the expense, but if your talking big traffic/sales then staff, servers, offices and buying the traffic all costs ALOT.

Aww shucks. I'm just a simple man. :winkwink:

That's an interesting stat. I'd love to know who that is.

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