Karl Rove pardoned for any wrongdoing, off to work on midterm elections
 

They needed him to focus on keeping the republicans in power for the midterm elections so some behind the scenes wheeling and dealing was done and he is now cleared of any suspicions...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1O3t4&refer=us

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1O3t4&refer=us

The Democrats will bitch no doubt. Politics.....

uh, he wasn't pardoned, he was cleared.

True. Read the article closely.

No, cleared would indicate that they determined there wasn't enough evidence to charge him on. If you read the coverage of it it says the decision came after high pressure meetings with his attorneys and the prosecutor, after which the prosecutor announced he would not be bringing any charges against Mr. Rove. That, my friend, is a pardon, even if not ceremoniously or officially declared one.

Just semantics though, as much as "not guilty" doesn't always equal "innocent":upsidedow

no, if you read the coverage, you'll not see the word pardon used. that my friend, is YOUR word. When a prosecutor decides not to prosecute, he knows he doesn't have a case. :winkwink:

Normally when a prosecutor dismisses a case for lack of evidence he makes that fact known on public record.

I used some other words in my post that did not appear in the article:winkwink:

If it walks like a duck....

I don't understand your reasoning for this argument. I know you're unhappy about it because you hate Bush but at the end of the day, if the evidence showed he broke the law, he'd be prosecuted. Obviously, the evidence did NOT show he broke the law.

Yea so OJ never did it either right.. Just because fuck offs that ruin our country like Karl Rove have enough money to buy their way out of jail, doesn't mean they aren't guilty.

don't try to make sence to 12clicks about politics.....


it only gives him a headache and confuses him even more. :1orglaugh

What does my feelings about Bush have to do with this story?
I don't "hate" Bush... I don't approve of many things he's done or supports but that would be true of anyone in the White House doing similar, regardless of political affiliation.
Until the prosecutor publicly notes that the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence it sounds more like a "plea bargain" went on behind those closed doors. Why would this prosecutor not end 3 years of public & political slander Mr. Rove has suffered by making it public record if he was truly and conclusively cleared of any wrongdoing?

hmmmm, yes, again, I have the facts on my side but again, I'm wrong and confused.
ok.:1orglaugh

um, there was no plea bargain and the prosecutor, after looking over the facts, decided not to prosecute. Now you can pretend that means anything you want but it really only means one thing, there was no evidence of guilt. period.

...or Joesho, about the spelling of simple words.

so in other words OJ didn't do it?

You are wrong.. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

no, in other words, there *was* enough evidence of his guilt to bring him to trial and there *was not* enough evidence of Rove's guilt to bring him to trial.

son, do you really think you're the one who will talk me into a corner?

you're not Neo, you're more one of the guys who get unplugged while sleeping in the chair.:1orglaugh

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/13/wa...rtner=homepage
Now why do you suppose they had to go through those meetings to dissuade the prosecutor from bringing charges if "there was no evidence of guilt. period"?

The 2nd page of the article above timelines what he was accused of lying about and the documents that proved it. Then again, he may be as forgetful as he claimed. Maybe he can't remember phone conversations but his memory works everywhere else enough to be able to a major player in the political arena... weird.

What part of my post are you referring to?

Charles Schumer is holding a press conference now. He says it is the obligation of the prosecutor in a case like this to release his findings and detail why he came to his decision. I agree 100%.

If there was no evidence, say it.

To this day I truly do wonder what type of person it takes to continue to support such a sadistic, corrupt, greedy and evil administration hell bent on destroying the world around them for personal gain.

I'll never understand it. It really does put a sunken feeling in my gut when I see people blindly defending Bush or any of his corrupt associates.

It makes no sense at all.

Actually both sides here in this thread are wrong - nothing has been said other than Roves lawyer - which doesnt mean shit - could just be a publicity stunt as far as anyone knows.

When a statement is put out by the prosecuter then it will be real news

this is the fault with the Bush haters crowd.

If I asked you for exact details of things you typed here years ago, could you provide them?
I couldn't.

people have bumped old threads and I've seen my old posts and thought someone hacked my account until I saw the date.

He's supposed to be different?

blindly?

whats truly sad is how so many kids have bought into the whole leftist view of things.

What's so leftist about wanting the same public record on a case that any other investigation would get?

I would remember the conversation, if not the details... not deny my remarks until you produced the post to prove me wrong, then say, "Oh, I forgot".

uh, this reply wasn'y aimed at you.

however, I'd be embarrassed to ever side with that clown schumer

well you're a better man than the rest of us.

no dad I think you will be the one that talks yourself into a corner.. :1orglaugh

Even a broken clock is right a couple times a day:winkwink:

Tell me something I don't already know:upsidedow

then get off my back, Hans Brix!:winkwink: :winkwink:

if only you know it, is it really known?

man, thats like my second keanu reeves reference. thats freeky.

That's hillarious ... tin foil hat march, 12pm!

:tongue:

Nah, It's not a conspiracy... yet:winkwink:

Now if the prosecutor maintains silence...

I'm curious to see the next White House press conference. Since Tony Snow is with the president in Iraq that probably won't happen until he returns.

Who the fuck cares? Did you REALLY expect him to do time?!

I wasn't "expecting" anything... except the course of due process. When (if) the prosecutor makes the basis for his decision public record it's very well likely there is no story here. Even the staunchest supporter of this administration must surely see that it would be improper to dispose of the case in secrecy.

Yeah right. Senators can have $90,000 in the freezers and claim it's a "black" thing?

Representatives can assault capital police and claim it's because of "bad hair?"

And in THAT world, Karl Rove is going to go through "due process?"

not so sure about that. if his decision is based on his grad jury testimony, it would be improper for him to comment on it.

Of course, this is most likely why schumer said anything, to embarrass the proceedings on false grounds.

Have either of those cases been dismissed?

They're Democrats -- the media will sweep it under the rug.

He can say, "I dismissed the case due to lack of evidence I felt to be prosecutable", without discussing the details of any testimony.

Ignore for a moment that Schumer said the words, do you not agree that the reason for the decision should be revealed? It would publicly clear Karl Rove and defuse the issue, both publicly and politically. Win/Win, for everyone involved, including the American public who should be told in a case involving their government.

I guarantee you the activist media will not let the outcome of those cases go unknown:upsidedow

I honestly think its irrelevant.
I'm prepared to believe the prosecutor. I'm not prepared to case after conspiracy theories.

You never addressed this:

Politics is a nasty little game. I stick to porn.

And BTW, as far as conspiracy theories, 12clicks, people get immunity for cooperation all the time. No biggie if that's the case here. They need to be forthcoming though.

It's against Federal law for Fitzidiot to make any statements or reports based on Grand Jury procedings.

Fucking Schumer wants him to break the law for the wack jobs out there in La La land !