Should there be a kid tax?
 

Say a tax just for each child you have. Money could go into schools, law enforcement, welfare and so forth.
Since obviously for every kid you have the more resources you will eventually use up. It is not that odd really if you think about it, I know as a home owner I get to pay for a bunch of shit renters never have to pay for.

i dont think so....




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And then a breathing tax, a thinking tax, an awake tax, an asleep tax, a tax on seeing, a tax on being, a tax on smelling, a tax on telling, a tax on taxing.... and so on.

i prefer mandatory sterilization for those with low IQ's and people below the poverty level for a sustained period of time. all other problems associated with social and government programs and their costs, will largely take care of themselves without the unnecessary drain of retards that breed like rabbits.

And what happens if you dont pay the tax, they come and take your kid? After the first few kid collectors get murdered on the job, they wont find anyone else to fill the position.

I already pay a school tax and then another $1000 a month for private school, so I'm already paying for resources for other people's kids that my kid doesnt use.

Good point.

Maybe the can just place a tax lien on you like they do for property tax.

There's already a child tax benefit, at least here in Canada, don't know about the US. The gov't would have to take that benefit away first before implimenting a tax, otherwise one would just contradict the other and cancel it out.

Do single mothers in the US get a child tax benefit for each child they have?

People in general get tax credits for kids.

a tax on kids? are you kidding? in the united states we have other means of paying for schools, law enforcement and welfare. not a bright question any american would ask but since you are canadain and a home owner i will let it pass. and it's clear you are not a parent but a homeowner :1orglaugh

Where ya get that I am canadian?

And yes I am not a parent.

Then, wouldn't that have to be removed first?

does that matter now?

How about a tax on all that noise kids make...

Yeah it does.

A lot of my tax money and such goes towards children. Yet parents seem to get a lot more tax breaks. Just seems a little unfair.

It's actually not a bad idea if it lowered the tax on people without kids. If you've lived in a wealthy area and had no kids, it pisses you off that you pay the same in property tax to help support schools and such that you send no kids to. You shouldn't have to pay the same amount that your neighbor with 5 kids does. So I support a kids tax if it lowers the tax on those who are paying for things they simply don't use.

i knew why you asked the question before youi explained why you asked it. parents have to pay all of the taxes you pay plus the cost of a child. tax credits for families are extemley small compared to the cost of raising a child.

So much for a society caring for its own members without reservation and working on raising the next generation together.

It used to be something like $2,000 per kid for a tax benefit. No clue what it is nowadays, but I know that there are still welfare moms who decide they need more money so they spread the legs and squeeze out another puppy to that end. Turning the tables on those types wouldn't bother me in the least.

well children are important to the growth of the economy, unless you're willing to import large amounts of labor (which many countries do) you need to have a future workforce to pay for the current workforce when it retires.

Although children do cost a lot to raise, they more than make up for this in productivity when they're old enough to be employed.

Governments give tax benefits for having kids. The government wants more kids so that they will work for low wages and buy their crappy products. I don't think there should be tax benefits for kids. Overpopulation drives up prices and lowers the standard of living for all but the super rich. As far as only taxing people with kids for schools etc. it would be a little silly and hard to manage. You pay for tons of stuff that you never use so you better get used to it. Anyways try passing the kid tax through congress :1orglaugh

well said :)

If they paid the same sure but they dont.

I have some rentals that just happen to have just adults in them. I of course pay property tax on this. Yet the there are a few other landlords on the street who also have rentals. Theirs are multi family and or single family. All of them have 2-5 kids each. Of course the landlord is paying the property tax and not the renters. So right there alone they are not paying all of the taxes I pay.
Then I also know two of the muli family houses are HUD. That also means that the rent is paid with tax dollars and not the family. Ok according to the landlord one family pays 38.00 a month shared cost. These people also get other public assistance.

All of the kids are going to a finacially bloated public school system with appalling results that are not due to lack of tax funding. Again additional taxes I pay for property taxes and such, true many parents also pay the other taxes that help fund it.

Just sort of sucks.
I am really not anti parent, nor do I feel children should be punished. I just find it odd that as someone without children I get no other perks.
I honestly would not feel so icky about all of this if the school money followed the kids and the parents could pick the school the kid attended.

are you serious? what does "raising the next generation together" and "caring for its own members without reservation" mean? ---> put down the Karl Marx cliff notes and the bong.

Is it fair that a single guy pay $7000 in property tax a year while a family of 5 pays the same? All while their 3 kids are using the school system and park district?

Just to further reiterate what I said earlier, I'm not for removing the child tax benefit, but I am for penalizing those who abuse the system.

But as a business owner you do have access to other tax benefits, writeoffs etc.

We must count our blessings. :D

Thats true.

Taxes like property tax are averaged out between lots/citizens in a society. They are a dispersal of the operating expenses for the services in that area. If you live there and take up one unit (ie: house for property tax purposes), then you must pay the tax associated with that unit.

On another note, people who have children to raise in my opinion have more than enough expenses already. Between computers and school clothes and bicycles and soccer team and larger cars and higher grocery bills, parents have enough on their plate without taxing them for every child directly.

Better to fix the inefficiencies in the system than to just get the money from somewhere else and pump it through the same corrupt system.

1) when you have kids... its YOUR expense. Not mine. I didn't want them. I didn't ask for them and I certainly don't feel its MY responsibility to pay for your children.

2) "get the money from somewhere else" still means "taxpayers" i.e. "me" - again... bullshit. pay your own way. i am not on this planet busting my ass to subsidize your sex life.

I'm sure they have more expenses. However, it wasn't my decision to have the child. I am not responsible for my neighbor's child and their expenses. This isn't China.

We really should be discouraging population growth. Less people = more money for everyone. Why do you think gas is so expensive? Housing is so expensive? More people + limited resources = higher costs. Increased population is making the gap between the super rich and the middle class larger. People like Bill Gates makes mega bucks because everyone uses windows but your average employee gets gouged.

the desparity between rich and poor can be accounted for in the simple fact that rich people invest in stocks, bonds and real estate and poor people invest in gold teeth, gold chains, stereos and new wheels for their cars.

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further, remarks like yours and that type of thinking, dismisses the masses that start poor and become rich because they decided to take responsibility for themselves

additionally, all people are not created equal. many are dumb. many are crazy. many are lazy, some are retarded. you can guarantee equality of opportunity... you can't guarantee equality of outcome.

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I agree that over population is a problem .. but if we reduce our population.. we all lose.. since people in the 3rd world don't reduce theirs.

china has 1.2 billion.. India over a billion.. in the middle east .. people have 12 kids per wife..

now if we tax out growth.. what do you think would happened to us in a 100 years.

But is the growth good growth, or bad growth? Right now, the dumb people are having the kids. Natural selection is virtually non-existent now. Do we want a large population of dumb people that rely on the upper 1% to support them, or do we want a smart population with less people that are self-sufficient?

populations ARE declining in many large countries. i thought this was common knowledge.

I pay almost $25,000 per year in property tax, this is for our schools.
I don't have kids and was even chased off a local schools basketball court two years ago, on a weekend.

I can't change the style of my screen-door without zoning approval.
My neighbors kids have a scrap-yard toys/bikes in the driveway.

I need a permit for my dog.
My neighbors pump out a new little terrorist every nine months.

Yea, there should be a kid tax ... and a zoning hearing before breeding!

Well, when you put it that way....


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I don't care about other people's kids... All I know is I don't want any...I'm sure not gonna help out other people raising their kids and raising the "next generation" either. lol And I'm female too, what can I say, I'm just not very motherly.

scary and i sense a person shunnned from society :1orglaugh

why, is there a contest to have the largest population?

countries with the largest populations tend to have the lowest standard of living. there is a reason why that is.

haha thats not a good idea

Elli's right about one thing though, when you buy a house you are not just purchasing the property, you are also accepting your share of community responsibility that comes with that property, and society doesn't give a damn if you're single or have 10 kids, makes no damn difference. You have to pay the share that comes with owning your house. PERIOD.

But anyone who has ever bought a house in the past should already know this.

don't like it? Take it up with your city counsel, but I'm sure their answer will be similar to the one I'll give you... which is pretty much TOUGH SHIT.

Rent an apartment or go live with mom and dad if you don't want to pay property and school taxes.

:thumbsup I like everything you had to say, CDSmith. Agree 100 pct

the problem is school taxes are usually a part of property taxes, at least in the region I'm from. I think this is the same throughout the country(?)

so the amount of school tax one pays isn't a flat tax or a fee based on the amount of the resource one uses (such as a water bill or sewer bill or garbage collection or most other things people use varying amounts of from the city) it is based instead upon the value of your property, which is an irrelavent basis for calculation.

It would be a stretch but perhaps conceivable to tax business property since they would in theory be eventually benefiting from the educational process, however taxing home owners based on the size/value of their land is just absurd.

But I think that's what the point of this thread was. To see if there should be a tax for those who have kids as opposed to those who don't. Of course there is no way around it right now, but that doesn't make it right either. I lived in an area with high property taxes. The high school's football field looked like many colleges, they had laptops for all the kids, they had a ridiculous school. This school trumped almost every college campus I had ever been on in terms of technology and newness. Is it really fair for me to fund that when I have no kids attending it and my neighbor has 3?

I equated the point of this thread with doing your income tax and the child tax benefit thing, as is evident in my earlier posts. The reason I did that was because I saw a potential there for having some room to maneuver. I see no such maneuvering room with property/school tax, it is what it is. It's a given, you buy a house you pay those taxes.

A thread on GFY isn't going to change it.

Like I said, the option out is to become an apartment dweller. Or if you're really enterprising you could buy rental property. You still have to pay the taxes but at least you have rental income coming in to offset it.

Here in Australia there's a baby bonus happening.

If you have a kid you get $3,000 from the government. I think for a little while they doubled it to $6k a kid. If you have children you get family tax breaks and you also get a fortnightly payment from the government to help raise your kids if you earn under X$ a year.

It's fucking ridiculous and makes me mad as hell... my tax dollars damnit!

They're trying to encourage more babies now to support our aging population so they don't have to abolish the old age pension.

I hate breeders that can't afford to breed but do it anyway.

no

kids and parents have it harsh enough as it is

Uhhhh... can you? Which country offers equal opportunity? I'm not familiar with any.

You're not incorrect :1orglaugh

It boggles the mind how no-one questions anything when it's for the "good of the children" "To protect "our children"

Our states ban on smoking was led by soccer moms that wanted to protect their children in restaurants. Of course CIGAR BARS were closed along with banning smoking in bars and strip-clubs that have a 21 year age limit. I don't smoke, I don't want to argue the issue but adult freedom of choice gets trampled if someone brings up children. We are being social engineered behind the shield of "the children"

Look at the 2257 mess and tell me I'm wrong.