Webmasters who care about their surfers make me SICK!
 

1) Stop the act of rebilling. You, me, the processors and everybody out there knows that MOST rebills happen because people *forget* to cancel. A small percentage rebill purposefully.

2) Charge a reasonable amount. Is a monthly membership to your paysite really worth more than getting every channel hbo has to offer? Is a 19.95 membership or 29.95 membership really more valuable than the highest level blockbuster video membership that gives you 3 full hollywood videos at a time plus 4 instore rentals at a time? Is it really worth more than the monthly payment on an entry level dell inspiron?

Internet porn is incredibly overpriced because we've found price points that consumers are willing to pay and not charge back... if consumers really felt that 29.95 or 39.95 was a real bargain then why is it that paysites have such a small % of surfers who choose the full priced charge over the trial charge? 4.95 for 3 days is the monthly equivalent of about 150 dollars a month, so clearly the choice to buy trials isn't because they feel that the value proposition is better, but rather they want to spend as little as possible.

I think if you look at the value of content that you'll find that around 10 dollars is probably a reasonable and fair price for a single month of access relative to what that money can buy you elsewhere.


What happens if you charge $10.00 one time for a 1 month access? How much does the affiliate get paid on that purchase? Probably somewhere between 4-6 dollars.... but wait, no affiliates would actually promote that so even those of you who prance around pretending that your hardcore anal gangbangs are more pure than mine still have to "dance with the devil" to make a dime.

I like the quote I heard from Nickatilynx "I have all the morals I can afford"... and if you're going to judge me, my practices, my limited trials, my rebill rates, our popups, our cross sells, then go live in a glass house if you can afford it. :)

what about for a solo girl site? where the the only way to get new content of that girl is in her website, and the girls interact with the members? seems like that is something someone would want to stay a part of and not cancel...

Sites are too cheap now. They should raise rates. I have HBO and am fuzzy on the cost but a good porn site should be that high or higher. Blockbuster does not rent porn so being higher then them makes sense to me.

I remember paying $5 to rent ONE porno tape. I rented 3 at a time because you rent 2 you get the 3rd free. I also remember paying $6 for a Hustler and that was before they put any cumshots or pentrations in the pics.

Good points.

In other words are you really saying your sites suck?
you do charge 39.37 for a monthly membership you know

wtf hooper? This is GFY...don't try and make sense around here.

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if most of the people who rebill simply forget to cancel, then there must be a high % of people who are very disappointed when they get into the members area.

as for porn being overpriced. i disagree. sites that rebill at 39.95, maybe but porn has always cost more than mainstream movies or magazines. you'll pay double for a new redlight release than you would for a paramount. same goes for hardcore mags.

i care about the surfer but to an extent, we still need to make money but you got to realize that there is only a finate number of surfers out there.

I shot Nick this url Hoop, he's on the golf course. LOL

How much is it to get premium porn channels on DirectTV or other satellite networks? As I recall its about $7 - $12 per movie. Granted the quality over television is better than internet, but I think pricing points of $20 - $30 for internet porn is a fair number. Especially if you consider that gives you access to the entire members area and not just 1 or 2 movies. Pushing past the $30 pricing point and you better have some incredible content though...
WG

get a clue, I can rent a vhs tape or a dvd for 2 bucks.
and their is plenty of password sites and free shit on the net.

You missed the point of internet porn.

A married man doesn't have to leave home to rent cum guzzling twinks.

really 39.95 is totally fair to me. If a site updates 1 new movie every week that is like charging $10 a week. Have you been to the movies lately. Its $10 bucks a ticket.

so you wnet for the 6 series huh??? Good fuckin shit QB!

TV pay per view on porn is like 15.00 to 25.00 for one movie.
Never seen the pricing in a hotel, I would imagine it is at least 15.00 though.

Is it really that high? I really don't know but nevertheless, if you compare those rates with that of internet porn, I think a $20-$30 pricing point is more than fair.
WG

Soon you will see what I call Walllmar of Porn, a single membership gets your unlimited access to a boat load of content. Their are sites that charge 9.95 a month and doing 1.5M a month with users sticking to the site for 6 - 9 months.

Jay

Charge what the market will bear. People want to watch porn.

game link charges $9.99 to stream (wmv)a porn movie....lol

I'm looking at my Shaw digital cable menu now....

To view a regular movie the price is $5.99 (+fees & taxes)

To view a single adult movie it's $9.99 (+fees & taxes)


Sorry to the original poster, but the better deal is in choosing a porn paysite and joining, be it $29.99 or $39.99 per month. You're comparing getting to watch 3 or 4 movies (PPV) as opposed to having access to dozens, 100's or in many cases 1000's of movies at paysites.

No contest.


As for rebilling, I don't see a problem. For every person that has "forgotten" to cancel I'm sure just about any paysite owner can show you many more who are regular active rebilling members. I don't see rebilling becoming a thing of the past, nope.

Quick Buck, do you practice what you preach on your own sites?
http://ww2.quickbuck.com/payouts.php...zk5ODc6MTI6NjQ
I'm guessing not.

cdsmith, i'm not preaching anything :)

I use every possible money making tactic there is under the sun... as you'll note, the title was addressed to people who whine bout things "not being fair to the consumer" and saying things like "love the surfer, coddle them, give them hugs and never do anything that you wouldn't do to your grandma" as a way to bash paysites who run a PPS model. :)

Im simply pointing out that unless you are willing to remove every single negative billing option from a paysite then those people are already "fucking the surfer" somehow... it's just a matter of where they draw their line.

I'm not taking any high roads here :)

rebills don't occur because the user is active and enjoying it... for every 20 members who are rebilling cause they forgot there is more like one that is recurring puprosely.

I say this not just as a pps program operator but as one of the owner and operator of several of the original "real" solo girl live cam interactive members sites. (back in 98... no longer live. models are too much work) :)

if a paysite simply wanted to make sure that only active users are rebilling they could easily script it so that on login if you have expired they renew you for another month.

I agree with Smitty on this one. Besides the hippocracy of not practicing what you preach from the original poster (as Smitty pointed out).

First off, people are willing to spend $5-10 per CLIP and do it all the time. Wither C4S, steaming, or rentals. When for $30 they get hundreds, or thousands. Not only that, they can save them and watch them later.

Also with (some) membership sites, they can submit their ideas, and get them showing up in a month's time on new material. Something you do not getting nessesarily buying off the rack.

As for the rebills. This is 100% false. Rebills are what pay the bills. I have plenty of rebilling customers who love what we do, and even buy 3-6 months in advance. These are your bread and butter. Not the one hit wonders you are chasing every month.

All this other stuff aside, you have to get the ROI for your models and material, plus turn a profit to stay in business.

If your business model is set up to chase one hit wonders every single month, and fuck the rebills. Then it's no wonder a lot of sites go under, or can't survive. You have to have a balance of both. As well, working secondary markets like clips, DVD, webcams, and so forth will help milk every last cent out of the material you do have.

:2 cents:

A webmaster should care about his surfers the same way a beef farmer cares about his cows.

Ah, my mistake. I misread your meaning. Thanks for the clarity.

We are now in full agreement.


Speaking only for myself, my role as I see it is to A) attract surfers to my sites, and B) present them with samples and links to materials they are interested in, and C) present those samples & links in such a way as to entice them to make a purchase once they reach the destination site.

In that capacaty and in only that capacity do I care at all about "my surfers". :D

Priceless.

I have to agree with you here (bolded). Surfers will rip you off anyway they can. It's really the loyal rebilling customers who are e-mailing you every month you need to concern yourself with.

When you think about a "surfer" they are literally drinking from your open tap in the backyard. Getting free shit off your dime (i.e. bandwidth). Or they are one of these who join your site, and try and rape with with one of those full download programs (unless you have them blocked) and then try and chargeback.

Fuck the surfer!

:1orglaugh

i say no trials
40 bucks a month
well
that would be nice

oh and no free porn at all
fuck
id even be happy with 20 bucks a month if there was no free porn

They make me sick. what about u?

Don't you think that entirely depends on the site?
I am sure a large avs like deluxepass has a lot of happy rebilling members

30 dollars for a site is like $1 a day, im sure u could get away with $3 a day. its ludicros, there should be even more money in porn

I love rebills... and yeah, i guess many of em comes from people who forgets to cancle

What a moronic thread and opinion.

Weren't you getting married?

Off topic - I got an ICQ that you and the spammer got tossed from the nursing home...what happened?

lol.. what was the point of this thread ?

Because they can. If you dont offer them trials, most will join anyway.



4.95 for 3 days = 49.50 for 30 days

surprised?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh nope

Bullshit. If that were anything but an urban legend for all but a tiny minority, everyone would have great rebill ratios and no-one would need all the rest of the crap. There wouldn't be sites which retain members for months and others which are lucky to get them to stay past a trial.

No-one in their right mind "cares" about surfers beyond giving them reasons to spend and keep spending their money. The difference is between those who act as if they will only get one shot at him (and then do everything to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy) and those who know that our customers are exactly like us, exactly like the customers of any industry. They will willingly spend again and again: if they are not taken for a ride.

I'm sick of the cowboy sponsors who talk as if their approach to business is a reasoned one. When someone puts up a hosted gallery and the thumbs are almost black, or includes a closeup of an empty staircase, or uses pics from a "content club" that went out of business 4 years ago, there is a sponsor who, sure as eggs are eggs, will be using cross-sells to screw his customers and xboxes to pull affiliates.

Such sponsors aren't smart. If they were smart, they would make more effort to get as many customers as possible to the door to be fleeced. But their operations are shoddy from end to end because that's how they work and they are stuck with all the tricks because that's all they have going for them.

You have been proven not correct about the pricing too high, 10$ sites are so two years ago.

This isn't a viable business plan because of todays competition.

If we stopped offering free porn, then we would make money again... that's it.

Rebilling is pretty clairly said at most places, but I think we should stop popups, cross sales, missleading advertising that can lead minors to porn sites and other stuff like that...

btw.. did anyone get paid from that little 'email me details about fucking someone that you met on myspace' thing ?

i sure didn't =)

bump for good thread

How much money are some of you paying to create a new paysite? Are budgets getting bigger to build some impressive sites?

Sites with exclusive content mainly solo girl sites like lightspeed ect, should be charging more, content like that cost big $$$, you have to pay your models, equipment, maintain the site, if you ask me, sites are not charging enough for exclusive content sites.

i love adult webmasters.

they always seem to know everythin about the internet and sales, yet theyre adult webmasters. hihi.

I will say this once, and one time only. You were right. She was a gold digging bitch.

Hit me up in icq ref the nursing home shit 21239908.

supply/demand/costs et cetera et cetera!

Like covering niches, the paysites should cover type of customers. Like if he does not signup for full period, give him an exit console with trial offer. If it match the overall costs of course :)

bump for sick webmasters

Adult webmasters know about THEIR market, niche, sales for their sites on the INTERNET. I do not recall anyone making a remark on the internet as a whole, and I believe we were talking about OUR sites.

What an asshat.

:321GFY

That statement is dead wrong. Maybe for your sites it's true, but not for mine.

He's right on the money on that point, despite you thinking that he isn't. I've had tons of rebills on sites that didn't even exist any more.