Student walkouts in LA
 

Buncha idiot kids clogging up freeways and traffic when 90% of them don't even know what they are chanting about, just a bunch of future dropouts who don't feel like going to school :321GFY :321GFY

80 percent of their families are immigrants...want to rethink that statement?

I went to a HS in east LA, I know the statistics & what are on these kids minds.

No need to rethink what I said.

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....yet signifies nothing.

if they don't feel like going to school, then get the hell out of the road and let other people who has ambitions in life live

This immigration bill is so fucking stupid and the ramifications poorly thought out.

Its going to piss off the mexican american community big time. I can see this mess getting very ugly, even to the point you'll see violence in the streets.

Mexicans are very proud people, serious, hard working and don't take bullshit from anyone. These dumb fuck politicians are clueless about the latino culture. You insult these people and they'll fuck your world before you know what hit you.

KRL, I agree with what you are saying but something has to be done. It's going to take radical plans to stop the flow of illegals entering the country. The Mexican community will be against ANY plan.

Stronger border and penalties for business who employ them would be a great start.

I feel kinda sorry for them, but they are Mexicans and we are Americans. They have their country, we have ours. You can't just pack up and go live someplace else because you don't like your home country anymore. That's not how the world works.

This image of the US welcoming anyone with open arms is so 1800's.

100% of thier families are immigrants

Less than 20% are probably illegal ones though.


In regards to what KRL said:

I hate to bash an entire group of people and while i agree there are tons of Mexcian families in L.A that are hard working and want a better life for their family.

The majority of the illegal immigrants here are fucking it up for the rest of us.

FYI, again you don't understand the Mexican culture nor historical perspectives. Mexicans look at the white man as a bunch of thieves and deeply believe the US Government STOLE HALF THEIR LAND. That's why they think we're a bunch of arrogant cocky fucks calling them illegals on land that used to belong to them.

In 1848 after the Mexican-American War ended, for only $15 Million in compensation the US Government took Mexico's land which is now Texas, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, and all of California, Nevada and Utah.

Only 150 years ago about a quarter of all the land in the US belonged to Mexico.

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Don't they have History classes any more in school. :1orglaugh

This happens to be a very important issue affecting tens of millions of people. Its only going to get worse if this legislation passes.

All the more reason to get the criminal element back to the country they originated from. Not a word is being said against law abiding latinos or mexican american immigrants. The legislation would only affect those who have broken the law with the first step they took into this land.

just like they stole all the land and put the indians on the reservation 30 miles from me and they still hate us! you steal our land and we just keep cashing those gov checks every month and sit at home!

I shouldn't compare to mexicans since I haven't been around too many mexicans.

This is exactly what happens here.

They hop the border.
Have 10 kids. Everyong gets citizenship.

Welfare, free housing, free food, all types of free programs. Guess who pays for it?

they call this phenomenon as "flash mobs"

Of all the people I've ever in employed in businesses, Mexicans have always been the hardest workers by far.

Again you're posting without citing facts.

Illegal immigrants contributed $7 Billion to Social Security last year and nearly $2 Billion to Medicare.

They usually live in multi-family housing. They aren't free loaders in any sense of the word.

And even with their meager wages, they typically are able to save half their income to support their extended families back home.

KRL shut up, people do not desire to know the facts behind these issues.
Truth be told there are legal americans everywhere lined and and ready to pick produce, clean houses, and mow your lawn. We just need to weed out all these damn illegals so that all those hardworking americans can get those jobs.

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Yeh, I can't wait to see hundreds of white out of work dot com yuppies lining up at 6AM for the bus ride out to the tomato picking farms for a nice 12 hour day in the fields.

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Do you think there aren't?

I see lawn maintainence people here (midwest region) and almost none of them appear to be mexican.

I see housemaids driving around in the little maid service cars around here going from job to job and almost none of them appear to be mexican.

When those jobs are advertised in the classifieds here they're almost never at minimum wage either. I wonder why that is. :1orglaugh

Exactly, most of Americans are way too lazy for labor work.

Have you ever seen the working conditions inside a sweat shop????

If you had you'd know there is no way in hell any Americans are going to work in these slave factories.

The guest worker program doesnt seem that bad, Gives them the opportunity to stay in america and work towards citizenship. That is what most of them want anyways, they are not opposed to paying taxes, many of them would love to as it will open up many doors for them. These guys have a hell of a time getting medical care, licenses, and all that crap.

Let me begin. My fiance owns and runs a landscaping business and I am in California. We happen to not have any Mexican labor though. Why? Because we use it as a selling point to those that have issues with Mexicans. Now nearly all of her competition uses Mexican labor and pays a competitive wage. However we have a much harder time finding employee's. Quirky eh?

Though you sort of summerized it with what you said, midwest region.

I'm not sure what part of "illegal" people find so hard to understand.

I'd vote to let them all be citizens as long as they'd promise to stop spray painting all the buildings and street signs

We are having a problem here in GA with the construction business. Because so many companies are willing to hire illegals, those who want to follow the law are being outbid. Construction company owners are going out of business and their workers are being laid off. Go ahead and tell me how these are the jobs Amercians aren't willing to do.....

They have recourses. It is a fairly simple process to get some inspectors down to check status of workers on any construction site. And if a construction company does not have the contacts or pull to do so they typically are in failure mode anyways.

I am not saying using illegals is the right thing to do, I just feel there must be a compromise on the issue.

Unfortunately, per the GA government, they DON'T have the resources to check them out.

Why should a company have to pay high wages if a lot of people are willing to do the same job for a hell of a lot less less??

KRL people work in alot of places that have terrible working conditions. A 'sweat shop' would almost certainly be more pleasant than the foundries and steel mills in this area that people work (and sometimes die) at. Not only are they willing to work under poor conditions - I've been inside some of them when I used to do contracting work and I've seen how miserable it is - but many of them actually consider themselves lucky to get a job in places like that and try to get as much overtime pay as possible.

Travel further south and you would find yourself in an area where many people hope to get the 'opportunity' to work in a coal mine.

The idea that jobs would go unfilled because americans are too lazy or unwilling or something is just invalid IMO.

you might want to check your facts-


fact: The American Hospital Association reports that its member facilities provided $21 billion in uncompensated health-care services last year alone.

Illegal aliens are a source of strain on the welfare system, the criminal justice system, and the education system.
And while the costs are amplified, tax collection from illegal aliens is miniscule:
The Los Angeles Times reports that 950,000 illegals live in the five counties comprising the greater Los Angeles area.
Their economic activity is mostly underground, which means the employers pay low cash wages, no overtime,
no benefits and no taxes. ... John Chiang of the State Board of Equalization, California's tax oversight agency,
estimates that the state loses $7 billion a year in unpaid taxes because of the underground sector."
And while the tax collections are miniscule, the payments to immigrant groups overall is large:
"The U.S. Census Bureau reports that 30.6 percent of Hispanics receive means-tested government benefits
compared to 9 percent of whites."

Education also takes a hit due to illegal immigration. The same source notes:
"Even though California spends $2.2 billion to educate children
who are illegally in this country, nearly half of Hispanic adults have not graduated from high school."
The total cost nationwide to teach children of illegal aliens is $7.4 billion nationwide.
The cost extends into the area of crime and law enforcement.
Almost 25 percent of all inmates in California prisons are illegal immigrants from Mexico.
U.S. hospitals in border states provide at least $200 million a year in uncompensated emergency care to illegal aliens.

i can go on

"Mr Borjas, an economist at the University of California, San Diego, and Stephen Trejo,
another economist at that university's Santa Barbara campus, completed a research paper
in 1990 looking at immigrant population in the welfare system. Its findings dispel the myth
widely propagated that only economic benefits arise from rising immigration. The two confirm
the "widespread perception that unskilled immigrants are particularly prone to enter the welfare
system, and that entry of large numbers of immigrants in the past decades has increased taxpayer
expenditures on income transfer programs"-that is, welfare and other government programs....
The two also found that immigrant households receive a higher level of welfare payments than do native households."

I will sum my view up in one sentance.

I personally believe in capitalism and do not think it is the Governments duty to dictate how I must conform as long as I am not forcing anyone to do anything or injuring people.

Again, what part of "illegal" don't you understand? In addition, you do know that paying a minimum wage is the law, right? In other words, you have companies paying illegal wages to illegal workers while legal workers are out of work and that's OK with you?

Its this attitude exactly that infuriates Mexicans.

People seem to forget we had a 2 year long war with Mexico. It can happen again.

There are 41.3 Million Hispanics living in the US. Hispanics account for 50% of the US population growth.

If everyone wants to experience civil unrest unlike anything we've ever seen in this country it can certainly happen.

Have you ever seen this many people marching in the streets any time recently in so many cities? I know I haven't. They are organized and have tremendous political and economic power in this country now. Hispanic owned businesses generate $225 Billion in revenues.

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You are correct. Criminals can fight the US any time they want. If that's what the illegal Mexican criminals want to do, then so be it. I'm glad I own guns :)

Well my point was that I'm speaking of what's going on in the midwest region regarding these jobs and the available labor pool. There aren't many illegal aliens in this area.

Now imagine if the illegals were no longer a factor in your area. Do you think your fiance would still have a hard time finding employees? The wages would probably rise and the jobs would appear to be more attractive to people who wouldn't consider doing it atm for the current pay rates. Since the labor cost would likely rise for all the competition as well it's really not much of a factor as the cost would be passed on to the consumers.

I love mexicans, my cleaning lady is mexican [illegal], and i have a strong feeling that the mexicans who cut my grass are illegal too. They came to this country, perhaps illegally, and got jobs. I don't see the downside. It's not like your great great grandparents didnt hop on a boat at some point to get here. I personally have no problems with hard working mexicans who come to the US. If someone is going to bust thier ass to earn a dollar then the more power and respect to them.

Did you see how our government handled the poor people in the Katrina disaster???

You think they are all of a sudden going to be competent to manage 12 Million illegals.

OK. This will make Katrina look like a picnic. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

We have a HUGE Mexican population where I live because of the farms, orchards, chicken factories, etc. I'm sure there are many illegals here. But there are more legal Mexicans here and if you talk to them, they are pissed as hell that they went through what needed to be done to be legal here and their "brethren" did not.

When an illegal Mexican takes the job of a legal Mexican because the illegal will do it for lower than minimum wage, whose side are you going to be on then? ;)

a few key points from researchdone by the Center for Immigration Studies
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.pdf

The high cost of cheap illegal labor-

This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal immigration on the
federal budget. Most previous studies have focused on the state and local level and have
examined only costs or tax payments, but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this
study finds that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered,
illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in
2002. We also estimate that, if there was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit
would grow to nearly $29 billion.
Among the findings:
? Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the
federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal
deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
? Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2
billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches
($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to
schools ($1.4 billion).
? With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason
they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and
tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
? On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half
that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other
households.
? Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who
are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from
federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to
access them.
? If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households
headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual
net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a
total net cost of $29 billion.
? Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status ? what
most illegal aliens would become ? can access government programs, but still tend to
make very modest tax payments.
? Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs
would rise by 118 percent.
? The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does
not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain ? many legal immigrants are
highly skilled.
? The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal
government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
Center for Immigration Studies
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? The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research
Council, which also found that immigrants? education level is a key determinant of
their fiscal impact.

Yes I still thing she would have a hard time finding employees. Honestly if the wages went much higher it would border on insane. As it stands not including workers comp and all that other happy government horseshit she is paying $20.00 an hour including travel time with matching retirement plans up to the first $5000.00 per year.
We do not live in what most would call a wealthy area. Passing on much more costs to the consumer would just end up with less consumers.

Exactly! :thumbsup

The mexican community knows how to mobilize politically and since they are the fastest growing in california....they sure ain't going anywhere. Politicians need their votes, thats the bottom line.

However it pisses me off when these ignorant kids take any chance they get to ditch school and walk on the freeways - clogging up traffic while waving their mexican flags. If they want so much to be an american citizen, how come theres not an american flag anywhere to be found?

Most of them came here legally though - they didn't commit a criminal act the moment they stepped into this land. That's a huge difference that separates them from the rest of society.

If you think a person's work ethic has anything at all to do with their ability to be a criminal you're naive.

Again, here in GA the legal Mexicans are losing jobs to the illegals. They are pissed too. The illegal Mexicans can't vote (unless they do so illegally, which of course, wouldn't be beneath them.....).

Recently some "Anti-illegal immigrant" laws went before the government here. They interviewed the protesting Mexicans and most of them didn't even know what they were protesting against. One even said he was protesting against "Bush's laws" when it's a GA state situation......:(

Theres a difference between the older generations of mexicans who came here and work their ass off to make a living and the younger generation of kids who don't share the same ethics and values. As to why these kids don't share the same values or work ethic as their parents, thats something to be debated.

It just pisses me off to see us waste tax money on these kids when they obviously don't care about school and are just itchin to ditch school to throw rocks at police and walk on freeways. Did you know the lausd school system lost
over half a million dollars today because of the number of students that weren't in school?

A war with Mexico? Are you serious?

It's not Mexico that has a problem with the United States. It's a very very small percentage of their population that doesn't want to BE in Mexico. I don't think Mexico is going to be sending out their troops across the Rio Grande over this.

As far as any possible civil unrest stateside, that would be unfortunate if it were to pass, but it's ludicrous to suggest that this country should give in to criminals just because there are many of them. Of couse it could be controlled if needed.

This isn't like a civil rights issue where people were protesting something unfair that they were BORN into. This is about people who made a CHOICE to break the law and now want the law to let them get away with it. That notion should be offensive to every law abiding citizen of this country of any ethnicity.

THIS will only divide the country. How do you think other americans feel when they are just trying to get to work and they have to deal with a bunch of fucking kids waving mexican flags?

Reminds me of when I was in college and I realized organizations like Mecha had a front of educating chicano youth for higher education but every flyer they put up was about trying to reestablish california as a part of mexico again. At this rate, it will probably happen some day.

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