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wdsguy 03-28-2006 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches
And more:

MORE FEEL-GOOD PROTESTS

Some 36,000 students...most of which probably wanted nothing more than to have the day off...skipped class and marched through downtown Los Angeles yesterday. Their cause? According to the mainstream media, they were protesting an immigration bill in Congress. How many of those 36,000 students do you suppose have read the immigration bill that has them so upset? Not many, I would guess.

Some were waving flags from Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala. That's nice. Perhaps if they like those countries so much, they'll do us all a favor and move back to them. Anyway, all of these kids skipped school..cut class. They broke the rules. What do you think will happen to them? Absolutely nothing. They'll be allowed right back to school without any penalty. And that goes hand in hand with the issue being debated. Do whatever you want without any consequences. The rule of law means nothing.

Listen to this quote from some moron named Sergio Aguirre: "This is a country of immigrants, and this country would not be possible without us. We are the backbone, we work hard to get here and we work hard after we're here, but this bill is trying to take all that away." This is a classic case of someone talking about something they know nothing about. Aguirre is a legal immigrant. The bill being circulated in Congress only addresses illegal aliens.

One marcher said they deserved to not be treated like criminals. Fine...then don't be a criminal. If you're here legally, then you won't be treated like a criminal under the proposed legislation. If the children are our future, then we're in trouble.

This pretty much sums it up :thumbsup

KRL 03-28-2006 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks
I find it hard to believe that the illegal Mexicans are demanding to be heard. The illegals have NO right to demand shit.
This is our country, not theirs!!
Do you read threads thoroughly?

The Hispanic population trend is growing so enormously in the United States that whites are NO LONGER going to be THE MAJORITY in this country in 44 years.

So when you say this is your country, not theirs, you better start making lots of babies real soon, if you expect to keep control of this land, because the future trend is going to turn this country into The United States of Hispanica.

:1orglaugh

KRL 03-28-2006 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmykim
You can put the crack pipe down any time. My boyfriends Latino, the first generation on either side of his family to be born here (his father fled Castro's Cuba, his mothers family immigrated from Mexico), so I think if there were some sort of Mexican conspiracy to take over the Southwest I'd have heard something about it, even if it were just him chitchatting with the cleaning lady or the gardeners about their impending rise to power in America.


Quote:
Originally Posted by wdsguy
Just because you aren't aware of it, doesn't mean its not real. Visit any mexican student organizations at UC schools and hear whats on their agenda.
Finally some acknowledge of the reality! Thanks!

Peaches 03-28-2006 02:59 PM
And as I've said before, the LEGAL Mexicans where I live are losing jobs to the ILLEGAL Mexicans. Now, when this huge Mexican uprising begins, are you telling me the legal Mexicans are going to side with the ones taking their jobs and breaking laws? Okee dokee.........

AmateurFlix 03-28-2006 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
Do you read threads thoroughly?

The Hispanic population trend is growing so enormously in the United States that whites are NO LONGER going to be THE MAJORITY in this country in 44 years.

So when you say this is your country, not theirs, you better start making lots of babies real soon, if you expect to keep control of this land, because the future trend is going to turn this country into The United States of Hispanica.

:1orglaugh
KRL do you have a basic reading comprehension problem?

She said "OUR country", which refers to AMERICANS, as opposed to "THEM", the illegals who will be deported.

Then you brought up something about an increasing percentage of hispanic population, which has nothing to do with anything. You keep bringing up race as a factor here when the only issue is citizenship status. Are you racist? You seem to be confusing "us" (americans) with anyone who is not hispanic.

QQQ 03-28-2006 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wdsguy
If they want so much to be an american citizen, how come theres not an american flag anywhere to be found?
You just answered your own question. The invaders do not want to assimilate and take responsibility as taxpaying citizens. They hate america and american citizens. They've appropriated the language of the civil rights movement and silence opponents of their ugly hateful attitudes by calling us racists.

And if you are hiring these people, you are a traitor to your country. We used to pay our legal citizen housekeeper 20 bucks an hour rather than hire illegals for $5. Why? Because for some fucked up reason, we still feel loyalty to our fellow citizens and the laws of the land. Fucked up I say, because it seems like we're the only ones. :Oh crap

Kimmykim 03-28-2006 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wdsguy
Just because you aren't aware of it, doesn't mean its not real. Visit any mexican student organizations at UC schools and hear whats on their agenda.
I suppose that some of you nitwits still believe the South is going to rise again too.

The ignorance in this thread is amazing. If the local, state or federal governments could figure out a way to benefit from illegal aliens in this country, no one would be crying about them.

The economics don't work like that, won't work like that, and can't work like that. But for most illegals, it's better to be here working for minimum wage than it is to be in their own country without work.

It's a stalemate situation. Not the potential for a civil war. We can't have a civil war with Mexico, Mexico is not part of the US. We could have a civilized war I suppose, but that's about it. If an illegal immigrant population took up arms and declared war on US citizens -- whether US born or living here legally -- it would last about a day and a half.

Peaches 03-28-2006 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by QQQ
You just answered your own question. The invaders do not want to assimilate and take responsibility as taxpaying citizens. They hate america and american citizens. They've appropriated the language of the civil rights movement and silence opponents of their ugly hateful attitudes by calling us racists.

And if you are hiring these people, you are a traitor to your country. We used to pay our legal citizen housekeeper 20 bucks an hour rather than hire illegals for $5. Why? Because for some fucked up reason, we still feel loyalty to our fellow citizens and the laws of the land. Fucked up I say, because it seems like we're the only ones. :Oh crap
No, you're not. I paid my legal Brazillian housekeeper a lot more than I could have gotten an illegal Mexican for. Ditto for the guys who just cut down a tree for me. Some of us still believe that doing things the legal way is right. Amazing how many don't follow that logic :(

Alex 03-28-2006 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
Of all the people I've ever in employed in businesses, Mexicans have always been the hardest workers by far.

Again you're posting without citing facts.

Illegal immigrants contributed $7 Billion to Social Security last year and nearly $2 Billion to Medicare.

They usually live in multi-family housing. They aren't free loaders in any sense of the word.

And even with their meager wages, they typically are able to save half their income to support their extended families back home.
Why dont you throw out some numbers on how much we spend per year to support them.

KRL 03-28-2006 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ

And if you are hiring these people, you are a traitor to your country.

We used to pay our legal citizen housekeeper 20 bucks an hour rather than hire illegals for $5. Why? Because for some fucked up reason, we still feel loyalty to our fellow citizens and the laws of the land. Fucked up I say, because it seems like we're the only ones. :Oh crap
OMG wake up. Do you realize how many businesses and companies employ illegal immigrants in the US that you want to label as traitors?

The biggest retailer in the US, Wal-Mart has even hired illegals. LOL

Peaches 03-28-2006 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
OMG wake up. Do you realize how many businesses and companies employ illegal immigrants in the US that you want to label as traitors?

The biggest retailer in the US, Wal-Mart has even hired illegals. LOL
And they've been fined for it, LOL! See, when you do something ILLEGAL, you pay the price for it. Get it yet?

wdsguy 03-28-2006 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimmykim
I suppose that some of you nitwits still believe the South is going to rise again too.

The ignorance in this thread is amazing. If the local, state or federal governments could figure out a way to benefit from illegal aliens in this country, no one would be crying about them.

The economics don't work like that, won't work like that, and can't work like that. But for most illegals, it's better to be here working for minimum wage than it is to be in their own country without work.

It's a stalemate situation. Not the potential for a civil war. We can't have a civil war with Mexico, Mexico is not part of the US. We could have a civilized war I suppose, but that's about it. If an illegal immigrant population took up arms and declared war on US citizens -- whether US born or living here legally -- it would last about a day and a half.

I'm not talking about any militant group that is advocating that every mexican in East LA pick up arms and march to downtown LA to take over the City government. These groups are advocating a rise to power through POLITICAL POWER, thats already happening in states like california where the hispanic population is one of the fastest growing.

Let me guess, you probably live near somewhere like Marina Del Ray? Open your eyes, you obviously don't know whats going on.

escorpio 03-28-2006 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
:1orglaugh
Care to elaborate?

KRL 03-28-2006 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex
Why dont you throw out some numbers on how much we spend per year to support them.
That's a complex data set that there is a wide disparity of opinions on.

Currently the immigrant population is increasing in the US at the rate of 500,000 per year.

On top of the new ones arriving, the illegals already here are creating an additional 450,000 children per year who then become legal citizens. That's a significant amount and means 1 in 10 children in the US is born by an illegal mother.

This is why the data gets complex because you have to factor that the illegals are also creating legal citizens in an amount equal to the new illegals arriving each year.

My issue is that yes it is a crime, but the vast majority of these people are extremely excellent and hard workers. They don't come here to paint graffiti on walls like people are joking about. They are old fashion good people with strong morals and values. They come here to work not to fuck around.

When I ran a textile factory in LA the only ethnic group employed that we never had problems with were the Hispanic workers. They would arrive at work early, take a minimal lunch break, never waste company time, work non-stop throughout the day, and often would want to keep working to make sure the days manufacturing quota was ahead of scheduled production. I have great respect for people that work hard which is why I'm such a staunch defender of their rights. I learned a lot about their culture and their feelings about the US and such.

escorpio 03-28-2006 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wdsguy
Let me guess, you probably live near somewhere like Marina Del Ray? Open your eyes, you obviously don't know whats going on.
Didn't you read her post? She's fucking a half-mexican. Doesn't that make her an expert on all things hispanic? :winkwink:

Pornwolf 03-28-2006 03:40 PM
I don't know if anyone is aware of this but the number of illegals are underreported in a major way. Not just hispanics but Asian, West Indians, Eastern Europeans and others.

I'd say hispanics are the majority NOW... but thier voice was so small in this country it didn't seem like it. That's changing as we speak.

KRL 03-28-2006 03:42 PM
Another very little known fact is the Treasury Departments / SSA's "Earnings Suspense Database Files."

Because illegals use made up SS numbers on their W2's, when the Treasury Dept started to really look at the number of mismatched statements they were staggering. During the 1990's alone the government had to literally "stash" and set aside as "unknown suspense" over $189 Billion of wages that weren't in sync with real SS numbers. The government makes money from all the deductions out of this for social security and medicare that they'll never have to pay out on. Plus since these people can't file income tax returns, the government keeps all the tax money deducted out and never has to issue them a tax refund. This is one of the real reasons the government has hesitated to clamp down on the borders. Just like the big corporations, the government is profiting by taking in billions of dollars from these people.

escorpio 03-28-2006 03:50 PM
Thank you, KRL.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1e10ruben.html

KRL 03-28-2006 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio
:) :thumbsup

PS - Didn't realize its up to $300 Bil now. Wow! If that doesn't prove the government's hypocrisy perfectly. LOL. They want to take their money and then call them criminals at the same time. So typical. :1orglaugh

Its just like the bogus war on drugs and all the money the DEA takes in from seizing the property and money of dealers that it then keeps.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Peaches 03-28-2006 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
:) :thumbsup

PS - Didn't realize its up to $300 Bil now. Wow! If that doesn't prove the government's hypocrisy perfectly. LOL. They want to take their money and then call them criminals at the same time. So typical. :1orglaugh

Its just like the bogus war on drugs and all the money the DEA takes in from seizing the property and money of dealers that it then keeps.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Uh, they aren't TAKING the money. They are being GIVEN the money by people who are illegal. What do YOU propose they do with it? Since the people GIVING the money are lying about who they are, how to you propose they track down the rightful people and credit them in some way or give them the money back on their way back to Mexico?

Personally I agree with the idea of giving it to the schools, hospitals and welfare systems which are also being used by these fake SS numbers.

KCat 03-28-2006 04:48 PM
I think the immigration policy needs to be opened up further. The job market that used to be covered by 15 - 18 year olds has totally disappeared. I can't drive past a gas station or fast food place without seeing a sign saying "Now Hiring". Even McDonald's uses their marquee to display wage rates trying to get people to work ($9.50/hour - I would've loved to have made that when I was in high school!). Kids are so spoiled now, nobody wants those jobs. I'm surprised business owners aren't pushing for an unskilled labor immigration category.

AmateurFlix 03-28-2006 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by KCat
$9.50/hour - I would've loved to have made that when I was in high school
prices on everything else has probably gone up since then too :2 cents:

NetRodent 03-28-2006 05:19 PM
Civil war? Pfiffle!

This is no different than the previous waves of immigration. The Chinese, the Irish, the Italians, and many other groups were all demonized at one time or another, but they became American and America became them. So what if Hispanic culture becomes more prevalent in the next 50 years? By that time we won't even notice the difference and neither will the Hispanics.

KRL 03-28-2006 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches
Uh, they aren't TAKING the money. They are being GIVEN the money by people who are illegal. What do YOU propose they do with it? Since the people GIVING the money are lying about who they are, how to you propose they track down the rightful people and credit them in some way or give them the money back on their way back to Mexico?

Personally I agree with the idea of giving it to the schools, hospitals and welfare systems which are also being used by these fake SS numbers.
Peaches your logic is really upside down.

The government has TAKEN money that they would normally have to refund on over $300 Billion.

This country was built by the sweat of immigrants so quit sounding like an elitist with the attiude of get rid of them all like bugs.

They are vital to the ecomony and you clearly don't get it.

And what are you saying about LYING? That only illegals lie? Studies have shown EVERYONE lies.

The Government LIES!

The Military LIES!

Presidents LIE!

Politicians LIE!

CEO's, and Businessmen lie, steal and cheat!

Husbands LIE!

Wives LIE!

Children LIE!

WTF? Your rebuttal posts are so far out of sync with reality its scary.

Linguist 03-28-2006 06:15 PM
Edit: NM

AmateurFlix 03-28-2006 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
Peaches your logic is really upside down.

The government has TAKEN money that they would normally have to refund on over $300 Billion.
:1orglaugh

there's an easy solution for this problem. they just need to stop breaking the law and then they won't be GIVING money to the government

Peaches 03-28-2006 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
:1orglaugh

there's an easy solution for this problem. they just need to stop breaking the law and then they won't be GIVING money to the government
Now, now, let's not let LOGIC and LAWS enter into this convo.

It just amazes me that people stand up for criminals.

Nikki_Licks 03-28-2006 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
Do you read threads thoroughly?

The Hispanic population trend is growing so enormously in the United States that whites are NO LONGER going to be THE MAJORITY in this country in 44 years.

So when you say this is your country, not theirs, you better start making lots of babies real soon, if you expect to keep control of this land, because the future trend is going to turn this country into The United States of Hispanica.

:1orglaugh
Yes I read the thread thoroughly and I stated my opinion. It is our country and not theirs. If these freeloaders want to be here then they need to do it the correct way and not the way they think it is OK.

I will never give up my coutry to these people.

KRL 03-28-2006 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches
Now, now, let's not let LOGIC and LAWS enter into this convo.

It just amazes me that people stand up for criminals.
If their only crime is that they jumped over a fence or swam across a river and came here to work our lowest hardest dirtiest jobs, YES I WILL stand up for them and defend them completely.

Sorry, Peachie Pie, but if that's the kind of crime you want to spend and waste our tax money and resources on then I have to send you a warm and hearty triple GFY.

:321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

:1orglaugh

KRL 03-28-2006 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks
It is our country and not theirs. If these freeloaders want to be here then they need to do it the correct way and not the way they think it is OK.

I will never give up my coutry to these people.
I'm going to assume you're someone else's nik or really young. You are uninformed.

Mexico happens to be our 2nd biggest trade partner.

Last year the US did $290 Billion of business with Mexico.

The GPP (Gross Purchasing Power) of Hispanics in the US is over $700 Billion annually.

And about never giving up your country. The United States is the 4th Largest Hispanic country in the world after Mexico, Colombia, and Spain.

So FYI, it's already given up. :1orglaugh

AmateurFlix 03-28-2006 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
I'm going to assume you're someone else's nik or really young. You are uninformed.

Mexico happens to be our 2nd biggest trade partner.

Last year the US did $290 Billion of business with Mexico.

The GPP (Gross Purchasing Power) of Hispanics in the US is over $700 Billion annually.

And about never giving up your country. The United States is the 4th Largest Hispanic country in the world after Mexico, Colombia, and Spain.

So FYI, it's already given up. :1orglaugh
FYI, not one item above has anything at all to do with the criminals that are being discussed. Why can't you stay on topic? Could it be because you have no arguement?

sltr 03-28-2006 08:14 PM
hey krl quick question for ya- how many illegal aliens have you employed, total?

escorpio 03-28-2006 08:18 PM
So all you people wringing your little hands and whining "but it's ILLEGAL!" never speed on the highway? Never smoke pot? Most Americans probably break at least one law every day.

sltr 03-28-2006 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio
So all you people wringing your little hands and whining "but it's ILLEGAL!" never speed on the highway? Never smoke pot? Most Americans probably break at least one law every day.
umm, we pay taxes

AmateurFlix 03-28-2006 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio
So all you people wringing your little hands and whining "but it's ILLEGAL!" never speed on the highway? Never smoke pot? Most Americans probably break at least one law every day.
Most Americans owe up to their responsibilities when caught breaking the law and pay their speeding tickets etc.

These people are not willing to face up to the responsibilities of their own actions.

escorpio 03-28-2006 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sltr
umm, we pay taxes
:1orglaugh So being a taxpayer means you get to commit illegal acts?

sltr 03-28-2006 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio
:1orglaugh So being a taxpayer means you get to commit illegal acts?
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh use your head, i can't explain everything to ya

Linguist 03-28-2006 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio
So all you people wringing your little hands and whining "but it's ILLEGAL!" never speed on the highway? Never smoke pot? Most Americans probably break at least one law every day.
If we get caught, we pay the fine. We don't go around protesting speeding fines and anti-drug laws.

Look, these people are criminals, pure and simple. They know it's illegal, they come here, and now they demand rights? So it's alright for anyone to come to america and be an American citizen? I don't think so, that's why there are immigration laws in place, including the green card. Normal people, who are not criminals would go through that process.

By your logic, it's OK for ANYONE to jump on a plane, or a boat, come to america and have rights. Is that what you are fighting for? I just don't see the logic. Why don't you abolish all immigration laws then? Might as well just make anyone a citizen and get rid of minimum wages.

escorpio 03-28-2006 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
Most Americans owe up to their responsibilities when caught breaking the law and pay their speeding tickets etc.

These people are not willing to face up to the responsibilities of their own actions.
Bullshit. When caught they get deported. How is that not "facing up to your own actions" just as much as a speeder paying his fine?

escorpio 03-28-2006 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sltr
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh use your head, i can't explain everything to ya
I'm not sure you could explain anything to me. :clown

escorpio 03-28-2006 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Linguist
If we get caught, we pay the fine. We don't go around protesting speeding fines and anti-drug laws.

Look, these people are criminals, pure and simple. They know it's illegal, they come here, and now they demand rights? So it's alright for anyone to come to america and be an American citizen? I don't think so, that's why there are immigration laws in place, including the green card. Normal people, who are not criminals would go through that process.

By your logic, it's OK for ANYONE to jump on a plane, or a boat, come to america and have rights. Is that what you are fighting for? I just don't see the logic. Why don't you abolish all immigration laws then? Might as well just make anyone a citizen and get rid of minimum wages.
We don't protest anti-drug laws? You should go to Hempfest sometime. :stoned

I'm not for illegal immigration, I am sympathetic to illegal immigrants. I understand why it is happening and that the answer is a solid guestworker program.

AmateurFlix 03-28-2006 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio
Bullshit. When caught they get deported. How is that not "facing up to your own actions" just as much as a speeder paying his fine?
you can't possibly be this stupid

they broke the law
they are protesting something that would lead to them being caught and deported more easily and effectively

What they are protesting is being forced to live up to their responsibilities.

escorpio 03-28-2006 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
you can't possibly be this stupid

they broke the law
they are protesting something that would lead to them being caught and deported more easily and effectively

What they are protesting is being forced to live up to their responsibilities.
"They" are not the only people protesting. I'm sure in your xenophobe brain whenever you see a latino you see a borderjumper but that simply isn't true. Some are righteous Americans that pay their speeding tickets when caught.

KRL 03-28-2006 09:27 PM
This is funny as hell watching all the politicians retreat with their bullshit immigration plan now after seeing millions of Hispanics marching in the streets nationwide.

Gotta love the POWER OF THE PEOPLE! Even if they are illegal.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

AmateurFlix 03-28-2006 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio
"They" are not the only people protesting. I'm sure in your xenophobe brain whenever you see a latino you see a borderjumper but that simply isn't true. Some are righteous Americans that pay their speeding tickets when caught.
First off this isn't a 'latino' issue. It's about a very small percentage of the mexican population and has nothing whatsoever to do with latinos from any other countries, so don't try to hide behind other people with brown skin and call anyone who disagrees with you a xenophobe. No one is going to buy it and your attempt is pathetic. It's inflammatory and can only serve as a distraction from the issue being discussed - which just shows that you don't have anything rational to support you.

I'm well aware that the illegals weren't the only ones protesting. For some reason there are alot of people who sympathize with these criminals and they are disgrace to law abiding citizens of all nationalities. What you saw in the streets a couple days ago were thousands of people who support criminals.

I'm also not so naive as to think there weren't law abiding immigrants and others of mexican descent who disagreed with the protestors. Or do you think that there is 100% unity in this issue from that segment of the population just because they share a common ancestry?

KRL 03-28-2006 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
First off this isn't a 'latino' issue. It's about a very small percentage of the mexican population and has nothing whatsoever to do with latinos from any other countries, so don't try to hide behind other people with brown skin and call anyone who disagrees with you a xenophobe. No one is going to buy it and your attempt is pathetic. It's inflammatory and can only serve as a distraction from the issue being discussed - which just shows that you don't have anything rational to support you.

I'm well aware that the illegals weren't the only ones protesting. For some reason there are alot of people who sympathize with these criminals and they are disgrace to law abiding citizens of all nationalities. What you saw in the streets a couple days ago were thousands of people who support criminals.

I'm also not so naive as to think there weren't law abiding immigrants and others of mexican descent who disagreed with the protestors. Or do you think that there is 100% unity in this issue from that segment of the population just because they share a common ancestry?
Your posts give me a fucking ulcer dude.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

escorpio 03-28-2006 09:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmateurFlix
First off this isn't a 'latino' issue. It's about a very small percentage of the mexican population and has nothing whatsoever to do with latinos from any other countries, so don't try to hide behind other people with brown skin and call anyone who disagrees with you a xenophobe. No one is going to buy it and your attempt is pathetic. It's inflammatory and can only serve as a distraction from the issue being discussed - which just shows that you don't have anything rational to support you.

I'm well aware that the illegals weren't the only ones protesting. For some reason there are alot of people who sympathize with these criminals and they are disgrace to law abiding citizens of all nationalities. What you saw in the streets a couple days ago were thousands of people who support criminals.

I'm also not so naive as to think there weren't law abiding immigrants and others of mexican descent who disagreed with the protestors. Or do you think that there is 100% unity in this issue from that segment of the population just because they share a common ancestry?
Sorry but all you are offering is "it's illegal!" and "they're criminals!". I do not disagree with this. This is a fact. Your solution to build bigger walls with more guns and to throw all the illegals out won't work. You haven't looked at the big picture of why this is happening and why it will continue to happen. You are a xenophobe that wishes to build Fortress America. Not gonna work, not gonna happen.

KRL 03-28-2006 10:05 PM
Bill O'Reilly was on Fox tonight saying we need to send the military to the borders.

What the fuck does he think, they'll start shooting Mexicans next.

We have 20,000 miles of borders. You could sneak in to this country from offshore in a power boat if you wanted to.

Haitians come in by boat offshore, jump out and just swim onshore to the beaches in Florida every week. Coast Guard catches a few, but most of them get in no problem.

:1orglaugh :helpme

Alex 03-28-2006 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
Why should a company have to pay high wages if a lot of people are willing to do the same job for a hell of a lot less less??
Or why should they pay overtime, stick to 8 hour-days, or pay minimum wage to anyone for that same reason.

Or worry about saftey codes, hell keeping employees safe cost money.

Alex 03-28-2006 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wdsguy
Theres a difference between the older generations of mexicans who came here and work their ass off to make a living and the younger generation of kids who don't share the same ethics and values. As to why these kids don't share the same values or work ethic as their parents, thats something to be debated.

It just pisses me off to see us waste tax money on these kids when they obviously don't care about school and are just itchin to ditch school to throw rocks at police and walk on freeways. Did you know the lausd school system lost
over half a million dollars today because of the number of students that weren't in school?
I have neighbhors that have kids in the local high schools.

I was told that this morning an announce was made that anyone accused of ditching during the walk out, would face expulsion with no appeal.

Some schools are being serious. You get expelled from the L.A.U.S.D and you are fucked.


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