Land of the free? hahahahaha
 

i just found out that To get USA citizenship you have to fingerprint ??? ahhahaahah how democratic!! :1orglaugh

Ummm Yep. Unless you were born in the US, or ti a US citizen. And imagine. ALL countries do that.

since everyone has to do it, it is very democratic :winkwink:

i dont think so

yeah the land of the free just upped they're tax rates this year, yippeeeeeeee....... there goes another 2.5% of my wages every week..

The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

Read up if you're interested:

http://www.couplescompany.com/Featur...Structure1.htm

All airlines will be doing this by 2008.

You know what...
I'll go on record as saying that Citizenship is ownership.

My husband has been trying to renounce his Canadian citizenship. But it has been a difficult. He has had his application denied 4 times! And he has fulfilled the criteria.

He has 2 letters ordering him to return to Canada. (And he hasn't commited any crime or owe any taxes.) He is also being threaten with legal action and extradition being brought before the French courts. (If he continues to try to renounce canadian citizenship without accepting another nation's citizenship first.)

But our advocate assures us that all of this will disappear if He pays to the Canadian goverment a certain amount of money. Or he accepts French citizenship.

End result and only conclusion we came to...
We are only property of a goverment.
Slaves or at the very least, serfs.

So you were looking into moving here huh?

So Canada is that shitty?

i heard that if you live outside USA all your life, you still have to pay taxes

now thats owned

Peaches great read thank you

It was just the first article Google pulled up :thumbsup

well it stated some good points
Nonetheless

Sounds like a good idea to me.

oh horror, did they asked you to supply your real name too???

Fingerprint helps keep out the riff-raff (FBI does a background check)... we already got enough troublemakers here, and we don't need any more.

it keeps out the trash.
where you kept out?

Great idea. Its about fucking time.

You can't just have no citizenship. Usually it's a good idea just to get citizenship in the country you're living in.

Unless you don't plan on living in a organized society with law and roads to drive on I can't see the justification of not being a registered citizenship.

If nobody was kept track off it would be literally hell.

Ain't that the truth

No, it would be freedom. Nobody needs to be kept track of.


In any country, if you try to become a citizen of that country, they are going to ask for fingerprints.

Lets just throw out birth certificates and social security numbers while we're at it..

I'm sorry you're wrong.

So if somebody you know gets robbed by a person we don't know even exist you will be ok with that?

Why can't people comprehend that a organized soicety can't function without.. well organization

I am missing the point I think it is very fair.

Don't you guys love these clueless liberal jackasses? If you don't like the laws, get the hell out of the country, nobody wants you here..

for me it's more like a corporation. it's all about getting more and more rich.

I don't think the US is getting richer by the day...

I'm not a US citizen so I had mine done when I came through U.S immigration last week.

Go away commie pinko fag.

http://www.moynihaninstitute.org/war.jpg

lol

What's wrong with that? on the Visa Waiver Program they won't even let you in to the country if you have any kind of criminal record. Why would they let you become a citizen if you'd murdered and tortured 11 people and then jumped on a boat and sailed to the US?

no, but I am :)

I don't see a problem being fingerprinted. Do you have something to hide?

Exactly.

Are you really that dumb, or do you just play an idiot on message boards?

You think we should just let anyone in here? I don't.

And yeah, if you move to the US you will have to pay taxes, where is the problem in that?

first of all communism destroyed nazism and fascism
second of all communism is not quiet destroyed, it just have a different face
third of all none said communism is evil except usa propaganda


and in the end - total control of population, ultra nationalism and miliitarism reminds you of anything? reminds me of communism

read the post reject

i said pay taxes if you live outside all your life

True Communism has more to do with the redistribution of taxes. Not with militarism or nationalism.

Go back to History 101. I know what Communism is, i have lived through it and so has many generations of my family.

so did I

and the idea of communism is way much more beyond the distribution of wealth

let me guess, you are jew from ukraine, something like odessa whose family did not like the idea of wealth distribtuon :1orglaugh

communism was about uniting people, striving to create something big, not just wealth distribution

That's kinda normal with most countries PW whether it's for residency or citizenship. They usually do a check with the local interpol office to make sure ya ain't on the wanted list.

Yea... and that's the biggest liability of US (Lybian and Saudi) citizenship. You actually file tax returns whether you live in these countries or have lived someplace else for decades.

The rest of the world does not have these limitations on citizens.

I don't know about other people but when I was about five or so they came around our schools (in the States) and took our fingerprints under the guise that if we were kidnapped it would help them find us.

I didn't have to do it to become British but we are all getting bio-metric identity cards soon enough so it will be taken care of then.

So how the fuck can they " spread " democracy????

Shouldn't they spread " republicacy " ?????

Oh boy! Yea... that's real useful and economic to fingerprint all children in the expectation this may come in useful if they were kidnapped :winkwink: That's almost as bad as hiding under school desks in the event of a nuclear attack.

There have been plenty plans to record the population and are, to varying degrees. And.. hell, it helps with cashflow forecasts at the IRS when they know, bang - we got another $X 1000 coming on over the lifespan of this set of fingerprints. Damn Sarah.. you messed up the calcs :)

PostWHore.. lmao
"third of all none said communism is evil except usa propaganda"
Are you kidding? If you are serious, you are a serious moron.

yes and Sadam is bad mmmkay

You don?t need an ssn or a birth cert. We have been around, organized, long before we had useless papers. Even then, if you look at them as what they are, they are GOV forms of ID, which only have to be used when dealing with or within the GOV. IE: You really don?t need to give your SSN to get a bank account, some forms of credit, (a natural person)

This still has nothing to do with keeping track of a robber/criminal though. Even if we had no standard form of id, if a person has committed a crime he is going to have prints. And even in todays standard, if he hasn?t done a crime, then they wouldn?t have prints, or be able to track whom it was, even with current forms of ID.

What sucks is they are taking prints for all kinds of crap these days, passports, drivers? licenses, and so on. For what? A ?possible? crime? I don?t plan on doing a crime and the statistical chances of it happening to me is super rare. So why do they need to keep track of me? And why with prints?

Correct! :winkwink:

The less paperwork and crap left around would kill this relatively new offense known as "ID theft".

I've never ever given stuff like an SSN or any "ID" papers to banks - tho with the exception of opening accounts in other countries where that's more for my protection than the bank's biz.

Most folks know who they are, where they stay, what bank accounts they have... least I hope so :winkwink:

Nope. You got me completley wrong.

The Communisim that was evident in Soviet Russian was more than just Wealth Distribution. But it wasn't complete control of all people.

But the Communism that Karl Marx described mainly did deal with a system of redistributing wealth in the end.

Depends on where you live. They have Double Tax Treaties/Agreements with a bunch of countries.

And this thread is fucking retarded. If you don't like the rules a country has, stay the fuck out of it. If you mind getting fingerprinted, you probably have something to hide and should be fingerprinted. It takes about a minute to fingerprint a person and then this insures that you live in a safer country. Makes sense to me. I'd rather have them make more laws like that than do stupid like 2257.

:winkwink:

O RLY???
why is that are you hiding something? or maybe you you dont want to cause you have something to hide? in this case they should inforce the law even harder

from your arguments

everyone who does not want to do fingerprints is a criminal
then
everyone who disagree with legislations about 2257 is a pedo

makes sense to me

by enforcing 2257 the government is making a safer country, so everyone should jus stfu or go to another country

Citizenship does not guarantee a person would follow the laws of a particular area.

Citizenship does not guarantee you can keep track a person.

And if as the U.N. claims, "citizenship is a right."
Then it follows suit that if it is a "right" than it can NOT be an imposition.

If you force citizenship on a person that does NOT want it...
It becomes ownership.

And for the fact that the Canadian goverment has made it clear that for a sum of $x.xx dollars, the issue will disappear and they will acknowledge his renouncement.

It is in fact having to purchase his way out of slavery.

Now personally I don't care if I'm a citizen or not. I go where I want to go and do what I want. And if Canada has a problem with that, they can go to hell.