It kind of makes it impossible to run a functioning society when you don't keep track of things like weither or not they have children, and what country they live in.

You can argue it all day long. They didn't invent these things for your discomfort.

As for the criminal aspect of it - it makes it difficult to find suspects when there isn't even records of them existing.

I don't know what you're thinking but a government that doesn't keep track of it citizens is borderline anarchy.

If you living in a society structured by government then you're a citizen.

I don't see how you expect to live within the system and not be a part of it.

Thats not how it works - like they say

You can't have your cake and eat it too

Imagine living in a place where nobody was accounted for.

I will say it once again for all you moronic porno pushers. If you are unsatisfied with the way this country is run(liberal), get the hell out, nobody wants you here..

Just out of curiosity...
How does having citizenship equal "accounted for"

Is it a special "Number" you get?

In the sense that they know what fucking country you belong to.

Listen..

I don't like tax laws.. doesn't mean I can say fuck it and not pay taxes.

Where I live I'm required to pay taxes and there is a reason for that.

Where I live I must be a registered citizen and there is a good reason for that.

I suppose if you really felt oppressed about it you can move to some jungle where they don't give a fuck

Yeah!! lol sneaky fucks.. the cops came around for a "police day" at a similar age here and we all got to have a "go" of the ink like it was a game by giving finger prints and filling out the form etc.. fucking sneaky way to get them before you're old enough to realise the full ramifications.

yeah - noone except almost half the population - so there!

Wow eat many retard sandwiches today? You have to do more than just get fingerprints. To become a "citizen" you have to take classes and pass tests. Permanent residency is less though. My wife is a permanent resident. How is making sure you are who you say you are undemocratic? This is possibly the dumbest thing Ive read in the last few months.

Why would a commie be on an adult board where the goal is making money? :uhoh

Is that the departure tax they want you to pay?

Oh and you are right. You are not free. Never were. If you were free then you should be able to renounce your citizenship without a problem.

Noooo it's not a departure tax.

The legal-eze is about 35 pages long regarding "the imbursement."
(And they use the word Imbursement.)

It's not a tax
It's not payment to the goverment for letting you go.
It's not money to secure your future as a "Non-Citizen"
It's not about a dozen other things.

But it is absurdly high and only millionaires can afford it.
The truth is if he pays it, they will acknowledge his renounciation.

The only good news is the attorney said it is a negotiable figure.

Now I personaly think the fight for this is kind of stupid. Especially given how much he will be required to pay.

The ONLY benefit is as a stateless person he can travel to any country and NOT be deported back to Canada.

But in my hubby's defense...

You are the same people that scream out things like,

"If you do NOT like it! Then Leave!"

Well that's exactly what he did. And now everyone is saying to him... "Hey you're a Canadian! Get the fuck back here!"

In hindsight,
Getting jumped out of a gang is easier.
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Oh and he pays his taxes.
Obeys the law.
Employs people in France.
etc.
And he is NOT a citizen of France.

maybe not the US as a whole but those in power.

DUH?? What are you rambling off on?

I know GFY may not be the university of the planet, but can you lift the level of your comments to above that of a kindergarten?

I live in a society structured by a government and I'm sure not a citizen. Also, I may be part of this society in the social sense, but I sure ain't in any "system".

What's that dialog about "how it works" and who is "they" that are saying??
Dunno about the cake, what kind is it?? :1orglaugh

You sure got the world worked out eh? :winkwink:

Is that even legal? I've never heard of this. On what grounds do they ask for this money? Do they refer to a law at all?

That sounds damned weird leggs. Canada is .. or was... very similar to places like the UK in that respect and there is nothing like that there.

Excuse if I missed a bit along the line but is there any problem simply having dual nationality?

If I lived in canada, I'd never come back here. Free healthcare for everyone. That is the best gift a government can give its people.

The become a citizen of France. That is a option.

Could not agree more AC :thumbsup Apart from food and shelter, healthcare is prob the next basic element for any civilized society.

OK.. folks paying for it may complain and there may be wastage and abuse of funds - but it's still a basic element.

So your not a citizen of any country?

If you pay taxes then you are in a government system.

If you're not familiar with the cake analogy I'm sorry.

:sleep

Sheesh... Yes, I am living in a structured society and no, I don't pay taxes either now that you ask.

And no, I'm not familiar with the supposed cake analogy you mentioned.

He doesn't want to. Why should he have to?

Kenny, have you not read any philosophy? Anything about freedom, etc.?

You don't pay taxes I have no idea how you managed that BUT you are in a small minority there

Never heard of the cake analogy?

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...and+eat+it+too

Again you are in the minority

I don't want to pay taxes

And I don't like to obey some of the laws either

He pays taxes and obeys the laws. He doesn't want to be a citizen there. Did you miss that part?

Oh shit. That's the problem with folks who think they have a clue on how the rest of the world works and try to tell everyone about "structured societies, "how it is" and a dialog about cakes. :1orglaugh

On taxes... it's called being organized and not exactly a secret or illegal in any sense. A simple clue.. there is such a thing as geo-based taxation systems. They are not exactly uncommon.

You think some folks just don't get the point sometimes Manga? :winkwink:

oh - I know EXACTLY how you feel

While the USA getting an NHS would make me think of moving back it is important to point out that NHS systems are not free. It is free at the point of delivery which is a wonderful thing but you do pay for it throught taxes. So, it is not a gift.

Wealthy... cos I don't pay taxes? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dream on!!

Anyway - I'm done with this thread

Good luck with the having no citizenship thing.. you're going to need it :1orglaugh

That's a pity. It was getting funnier by the moment.

:winkwink:

WTF are you jabbering about now??

Nevermind - like I said have fun with that :thumbsup

It never ceases to amaze me.

Why is the concept so hard for you to grasp. You can be a resident of a country without being a citizen. As far as the tax department is concerned, if you are a resident you pay the taxes, citizen or not. And if you are a resident of a country you are bound by its laws, citizen or not.

So why do you need to be a citizen of any country? To vote? To get drafted? Why?

Moi jabber? Never! :1orglaugh

Try and read... you made a comment, you got a comment in return.

It has been used on passports from many countries in many years, and just a type of identification.

In fact its more democratic than signatures, because not all people can't write :)

That kinda crap always reminds me of the type of lawyers you really don't need to have around. They may be nice folks, but a menace when they utter a simple sentence - bless em :winkwink:

Because you have to in one form or another.

Now try and grasp that.

I'm not the one having problems becoming NOT a citizen of anywhere. :1orglaugh

:winkwink:

Why you are at it..

why not just make your properity a sovereign nation so you can be a citizen of your OWN country :1orglaugh

Told ya... an utter menace and incapable of comprehending shit. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

My dear fellow... I am not having any problems being not a citizen of anywhere either.

What gave you that idea? You got some problem with citizenship?

:winkwink:

But of course not you don't even pay taxes..

I would think that you would have some form of nationality or citizenship thats recongized.

Now IF what you say is true - imagine if everybody did that. There wouldn't be income for national governemnts to even run on.

I'm neither my husband nor his attorney. So I really can't point to a specific law. However I can say that we are now into about 3 large boxes of paperwork. And our home has an entire shelf filled with legal texts and such.

My closest guess I can figure is that the money is asked in the same way a bank asks for money if you try to pay off your mortgage early.

I'm really not the person that should be discussing this. If you want I can put you in touch with Hammy.

He can have dual citizenship. That's NOT a problem and it has been offered to him. Many times!

He does NOT want ANY citizenship at all. Not Canadian, French, British, American or any. He wants the right to be stateless.

You're missing the point.
He does not want to be French or Canadian or citizen of any other country.

I hear his words all the time in our home . (Especially when he talks to someone on the phone.) And it is written on a piece of on our office wall.

"It's my life and I will live it where I want and how I want. I will live it free and not be owned by anyone or anything."

And you know...
My opinion on this is, ookaay...
It's a useless fight.
But since he isn't hurting anyone...
What's the problem? Let him go!

Somebody explain why you can't just do this instead.

This would be way better then just NOT being a citizen

Petoria?

You still haven't answered my question. If you are a resident of a country and pay taxes, follow laws, and are accounted for in the sense that the government knows who you are and that you exist, then why do you need citizenship?

I like the way your husband thinks.

Correct.. I don't pay taxes.

Yes, I do have "some form of nationality that's recognized".

And thirdly... it is true. Would this upset your applecart and the basis of human existance as you know it if everyone did the same? :1orglaugh

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