How The Fuck Do We Know????
 

How the hell does everyone know so much about what its like to be in a veggie state?

When did GFY become a university of medical professionals with so many experts? LOL

For all we know, it could be a peaceful pleasant plane of existence. A perpetual dream state.

Don't we all enjoy that state of being when we go to sleep every night? I know I do. You can do anything in your dreams. You can fly in your dreams. You can walk through walls in your dreams. You can travel anywhere your mind can imagine in your dreams. Its a fun place.

We don't know shit what this girl is actually experiencing. Face it, no one knows except her.

I will say your right there. I would not debate that portion. I am just debating the legal aspect of it all and the waste of resources surrounding it.

GFY is not about knowing. It is about shooting off your mouth...lol

always has been.

$0.02

hm, very interesting questions...

this is true...everyone else can only go on their experiences and expertise.

what he said :upsidedow

seems people know more about other things then the porn biz it self.

The problem is, when you are in a dream state they can monitor your brain waves.. When you are in a vegi state you have none.. several doctors have testified that she is brain dead. So the only thing keeping her alive is the machines.

I agree. I posted in another thread about this same exact thing. We really don't know.

Half of GFY is in a vegative state :2 cents:


Thats why they are all experts :1orglaugh

And she might as well be suffering... Why take the risk..? As for being in control of your dreams... You are lucky because I sure cant control my dreams...

Again I ask you.. would YOU want to live 15 more years in that state? Taking a chance that maybe.. maybe.. it might be not as bad as people think..? Would you?

Crockett she has no machines. All she has is a feeding tube. That's one of the points with this case. She's not on traditional life support machines.

I don't think its a fair question.

:thumbsup :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Bottom line, her parents want her alive, husbands and wifes can be divorced parents cannot :2 cents:

Agreed :thumbsup

Anyway she pretty much just got the death sentence. The Florida senate bill got defeated. The 2nd appeal lost 10-2. Bush announced nothing more he can do. And the Supreme Court won't touch the case.

That's it. She's toast now. So all the jabber is mute.

ahh ok well that shows you how close I've been following it.. :1orglaugh

Excluding Macaulay Culkin, but thats another story.

i hope they don't pull GFY's Feeding Tube

Why? Its very simple... If she dont want to live in that state... Case closed.. You let her die...

Now some people are doubting her husband's claim that she would want to die if ever in that state...

Ok.. lets ask the question.. is it even possible that a fair amount of individuals, all sane, and with no religious beliefs that would be in contradiction with the idea of "pulling the plug" .. would express the desire to live 25, 30, 35 years.. in a vegetative state, stuck in your bed, unresponsive to the outside world (contrary to what her familly wants you to believe), shitting on yourself, being fed, maybe suffering... Anyone?? Thats a no brainer really...

Let's use a different example, to agree with KRL's point.

If any of you have tried shrooms (aka 'magic mushrooms'), you may or may not have enjoyed the experience. For me, I loved it.

I feel, as it's a natural poison, that all i does is simply remove some of the inhibitions or blocks your mind has been trained to place on itself after all these years of 'evolution'. I think that, if people say you only use maybe 8-10% of your brain, taking such poison perhaps adds a few more % to that. It opens your mind up, closer ot its natural state :2 cents:

Now, let's say that someone becomes a vegetable from abusing such a drug. You cannot say they are suffering. They are just on another train of thought then you are. In their minds, they might be enjoying extreme pleasure. Unless you experience something for yourself, you will not know for sure. Especially when, as KRL says, the statements and observatios are coming from one who also has never experienced it.

While on the subject, do you guys feel that such natural mind dehibitors like shrooms can grant telepathic abilities? I know I've been in situations with friends, where in a closed setting, we can all udnerstand each other perfectly and comment on the same things at the same time, while people around us think we are speaking simply gibberish. What would you say about that ?

NEWS FLASH!

Gov. Jeb Bush and the state's social services agency filed a petition in state court to take custody of Schiavo and, presumably, reconnect her feeding tube. It cites new allegations of neglect and challenges Schiavo's diagnosis as being in a persistent vegetative state. The request is based on the opinion of a neurologist working for the state who observed Schiavo at her bedside but did not conduct an examination of her.

:thumbsup

The very fact that we do not know, is entirely the reason why we should honor her personal wish to never live in such a state. She said she wants no tubes, then we respect that wish and give her no tubes. If she lives, she lives. If she doesn't, nature has taken its course. We can't intervene and say the man she chose to marry, respect, honor, and trust is a liar, it is not our place. It should be entirely up to her husband and no one else.

Isn't the husband the only one who said she wants to die? As far as I know there is no written statement to this effect.

Her EEG is flatlined...no significant brain activity (which makes sense because she does not have a brain cortex...but spinal fluid in place of the cortex)...which would mean no dreams.

There is not a written statement but there are three witnesses...other than her husband...that testified in court that she had stated that she would not want to live as a vegetable.

well of course there isn't any written statements man... but there are many times my girlfriend who i've been with for 3 years has stated she would never want to be in that type of state - she doesn't go writing it down though, lol. and this is something that probably only I have heard her say, because it's not something that obviously comes up all the time. it came up a couple times during movies we were watching together with someone hospitalized in that state.

besides, the authorities have NO PLACE in investigating whether or not he is lying. like i said 100 times before, she married him which means she trusts him, since this is a case involving HER life, you look to the person SHE TRUSTS. it isn't our place to determine whether or not he is lying.

Only half ?? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ultimately that is the last argument that sinches it for me...



for those of you with children...imagine someone telling you that you could not care for your sick child...I'd be beyond irate...

she appears to be in no discomfort from the reports and images broadcasted...so why not let her parents take her home and care for her?

Why not just send them home with a nice fern? It's basically the same thing...except the fern won't shit itself. The fern is also more capable of carrying on a conversation than Terri is.

It's a matter of doing what is humane and compassionate. Leaving her in that condition is cruel and inhumane.

maybe because she stated to her husband that she never wants to live like that? she doesn't want any "tubes" (in a sense, not to be ..practically.. mentally braindead) tell me of one fucking person who would be out of their mind enough to WANT to live like that.

what is it that you fucking people don't get ? huh? What is so difficult to understand about this.

she SAID SHE DOESN'T WANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT, HELLLLO?!!?? Hell, it should go without being said.

She trusted her husband enough to marry him, then she trusts him enough with her life in his hand, and trusted him enough that he wouldn't lie about something so serious like her life. It is not our place to judge whether or not he is lying, it was her decision to love and marry him, and it should end there with his decision.

It's not about HIM, or her FAMILY. It's about HER and her wishes, which stated from the man she married, was not to live in that braindead or near braindead state.

bottom, line. there are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. this is how the judges see it and they're right.

hmmmmmmm

And selfish to boot.

Well if she's flatlined on an EEg then what is this argument about... you basically don't have human anymore you have a vegetable that shit's itself... that's not inhumane. If he didn't want to deal with her anymore he'd have divorced her and let the parents take care of her. He's obviously trying to do what he promised

Isn't it an EKG not an EEg?

I'm basing my opinions on the medical diagnoses by the doctors and the legal precedents given by the judges. Not GFY ;)

agreed, it COULD be hell she's living in atm.........or not


oh and one other thing that has to be tossed on the table...have you ever changed your mind before? how do we know she hasn't? we can't know that for sure...


there are elements of selfishness on both sides here...how can we be sure of her husbands motives, her family's motives? we can't...so it's selfish to assume we know 'absolutely' ANYTHING, we don't

you don't, I don't...you do what you think is best, and move on...

Stole the words out of my mouth.

I think the thing that just bothers me is not her living or dieing but, the way they have chose to let her die. Even deathrow inmates get a fast injection or two.

So would she if she wasnt being used as a political puppet.

Exactly.

What i feel is inhumane is letting her die of thirst and starvation. That to me just seems wrong. I understand it is done that way because of our laws regarding euthanization, however i feel their has got to be a better way to do it.
Atleast with something like carbon dioxide inhilation the person drifts off to sleep and peacefully into death. That to me seems a hellova lot more humane than having her stave and thirst (even worse, while the media films the whole event).

Let this be a harsh reminder that everyone should have a living will. God forbid something this trajic happen to any of us, but if it were.. don't leave the guess work up to your family and loved ones.
I have one, as i would never want my family under this duress.

LL

Another cheap political stunt that will fail.

I understand the feeling but it just isn't true.

Go and visit a hospice some time and you will see that people dying this way is very natural and is not painful like you imagine. Both of my grandmothers died like that. They stop eating and a couple of days later they stop drinking and then they go to sleep and a few days later they don't wake up.

I'm not saying that it is the most prefered way to die but just that it is very common and not inhumane like you might think.

Like Terri and the case itself, I wish this topic would just die quickly.

Who is footing the bill to keep her under medical supervision and care?

Who is paying HIS legal bills?

Who is paying the government's legal bills?

How much did we waste on this fight?

How much of my life can I get back for paying some attention to this?

there it is