Breaking News (A Must Read) !!!
 

ASACP
Gary Kremen and Aly Drummond have officially stepped down from the advisory board.
http://www.pimpcafe.com/article2/art...p?article=2698

-Based on the events that occured this past Friday involving Lightspeed Cash and Sex.com

Where does this leave the fight against Child porn?

Irvine said that the recent changes would not affect the course of the ASACP. They will continue to expand their roll within the online adult community and seek closer ties with government agencies over the next year. They will look to fill the two empty advisory council seats in early 2005.
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thats good to hear.

What happened between sex.com and lightspeed?

woah, holy shit

i can't believe i watched this all happen...LOL

Steve Lightspeed Owns :thumbsup

I think Gary made the right decision to step down. That Lightspeed fiasco certainly did not put him in a positive light.

DH

Just for the record, my departure wasn't related to that thread or anything to do with Gary Kremen.. and ASACP still has my full support. :thumbsup

Well, I guess he wasn't joking after all ...

It's good to see people keep their word, and Aly will surely be missed. :(

it is long and drwan out...but it does touch on it in the article. There was also a very large thread on it here last week.

Drama..not needed.

this is a serious topic, i have been watching from the sidelines closely. I feel it is important that ASACP remain a neutral and unbiased organization, it will be the only way to ensure fair representation for the entire industry. I was beginning to worry about the direction things looked to be heading. Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

How do I get on the board ? They have seats to fill

:thumbsup

It seems ASACP has lost it's way. However, in the interest of eliminating child pornography everywhere, WebcamCash will remain a member as they work this out. I encourage all ASACP members to do the same.

B

that was a really fucked up thread

i hope they get this worked out quickly and move on

Hey, now I can address some of the bullshit about ASACP here without having to hold back due to being on the board... WATCH OUT! :Graucho

you are WAY too outspoken, they don't like that there

i agree!

Uh oh. Here it comes!!! :winkwink:


B

we cant wait

who has the popcorn?:Graucho

:warning

Damn. that was a fast turn of events. just a few days ago it seems the thread about lightspeed was going strong, now this.

Same bullshit, different leader

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=6531

"ASACP is actively seeking to fill the two available spots on the council. Potential candidates must be current ASACP sponsors in order to qualify."

How convenient!

ASACP is useless, now Joan needs to go too, and take her broomstick with her.

Steve Lightspeed

Actually Steve... (here we go!!) ... ASACP is FAR from useless. ASACP has been directly involved in the arrest and prosecution of pedophiles. You may not LIKE that they appear to have an issue with you, and that may NOT be FAIR... But DO NOT jump to the conclusion that ASACP is useless simply because they don't kike YOU... and CERTAINLY DO NOT post that as fact in a public forum... when the biggest thing you're doing is PREVENTING the protection of children.

You may have a valid fight... so fight it.. but watch how you go about doing that. ASACP DOES WORK.

I can vouch for this one, before the drama started I had already been informed by Aly that she had already stepped down.

WELL SAID:thumbsup :glugglug

Asacp seems to have lost it's way it fights the right fight but maybe with the wrong tactics and I hope things get turned around over there and protecting the kids is the focus again...:2 cents:

Aly, you've been my friend and mentor for years. I won't fight you here. ASACP is a noble idea, horribly executed. Joan was in charge, and she allowed it to be taken over by industry politics and petty bullshit. WASTED TIME, WASTED EFFORT, WASTED MONEY.

TIME TO START OVER!

Steve Lightspeed

Wow! That was a powerful post.

ASACP is a great organization and I personally like Joan very much.. however, it has come to the point that it appears to be a money making machine now. How many of the small sites out there would love to participate and be certified as ASACP compliant but can't because they would rather focus their earnings on putting them back into the site. It's almost become an elite club where only the biggest and highest paid can play. Those that do have the funds may shy away because most of us know that non profit organizations often mismanage money and the majority of the money doesn't go to the intended recipient but rather it lines the pockets of overpaid beauracrats (not saying this is the case).

Any time you have a "charitable" or "non profit" organization attached to a business it becomes a real nightmare trying to separate the two as individual organizations especially if parties involved are highly liked or disliked.

I support the ideals behind the ASACP but would never support the foundation itself because of the political ballgames that have to be played. I'm not a very good ass kisser.

To someone who will definitely read this.. Don't worry about telling our mutual friend to keep me on a leash like you did last year in Vegas after the awards show.. They don't control my thoughts or my posts... :winkwink:

wow - I remember reading that thread. I didnt think anything would come out of it.:)

i agree with much of what you've said Steve, but that statement is a little harse under the current circumstance unless you apply again to the asacp under current government and lack of certain people and get rejected again.

the good the asacp has done should outweigh some of the growing pains they have gone though and personally I'd like to look forward rather then looking back.

Aly you know i respect you and Joan personally however, requiring someone who wants to be on the board at ASACP to be a sponsor of the organization is ludicrous.

How can ASACP remain to be impartial to anything happening within the industry especially when related to topics such as CP when in effect, its board members HAVE to buy themselves in?

Regards,

Lee

i disagree.

being on the board shows that person's business operates under acceptable practices to the asacp and some sort of financial commitment to the fight against child pornography should be a part of most every responsible adult online business. :2 cents:

Agreed

No it doesnt.

Being on the board means that you have bought your way into a perceived 'elite' organization where you get to meet a bunch of the industries big wigs.

Plenty of us operate under the ASACP guidelines without even having to donate money to the cause, although, there are also those of us who have donated money also.

Opening your check book in the name of ASACP in order to be on the board means just that... You paid for the position.. and the access to the industries heavy hitters.

Regards,

Lee

Very well said.

i opened my checkbook and didn't ask or want to be on the board.

course i (and a LOT of other adult companies) put my money where my mouth is and don't find ways to weazel out and still pretend like it's ok.

Exactly. I don't need to pay into ASACP to know that there's no CP on my site. ASACP or not, my morals are the same.

So why the fuck are you even arguing the point?

Regards,

Lee

if they are so great why did they push for .xxx which would stick us all in a cyber getto at $75 a domain ? The only way to truly protect kids on the net is education of parents , that the net isnt a VCR. A group who is suppose to be for our industry and doesnt fully think of the longterm effects of a choice to back .xxx. Truly isnt a group for a industry but a cash grab.

are you high?

every single business decision you've ever made has been a winner right?

yep :thumbsup

Please put aside whatever impression Gary Kremen may have given of ASACP. He's off the board now.

ASACP board seats are NOT open to the highest bidder!

I, for one, didn't pay to be a member of that board. I did however contribute in other ways. It would be a little odd to have someone on the board if they didn't contribute in some way to the organization... Most people with money would rather contribute in that way as far as I can tell.

He just has strong feelings on the matter, which go way back.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=402822&s=

I don't think that whole thread should have blown up as big as it did. It was fucking ridiculous.

No, Tony... ASACP is not a 'cash grab'... if it were I may have stayed (just kidding).

The opinions on both side of the .xxx issue are strong. Agree or disagree with .xxx as you will, but your statement above is as myopic as you claim ASACP to be.

Thats not how it reads on Helmys Xbiz..

Sounds like they actually are by the sounds of that :2 cents:

Regards,

Lee

i agree with you

sure does