Is Geo-IP Marketing Deceptive Or Simply A Great Way To Increase Clicks And Revenue?
 

IMHO selling sex sites is selling FANTASY ...

All these reality sites popping up all over the place in the past couple years are just that ... FANTASY ...

Most of the he girls names are FAKE ...

Their AGES are MOSTLY MADE UP ...

Tons of webmasters fly ads for sites saying 18 - 19 year old girls when the models are 25 years old ...

WE'RE SELLING FANTASY PURE AND SIMPLE!

I'm leaning toards the fact that GEO-IP Marketing catches the eye and increases click thrus therefore making you efforts and more effective and profitable.

:2 cents:

http://1akdtg041034lfr1sweja015069s....es/jstyles.jpg

It's both. But if the surfer really expects to see girls from his/her area, then he will cancel. :2 cents:

i agree, pretty deceptive, just another gimic....will work though, targetting is always key.


FF

It definitely works although your geo database seems a little off. I'm about 100km away from Toronto but it definitely is close enough for a majority of the people out there. I have seen ones that can narrow it down even further and right down to where the IP address is located. Damn sweet stuff :)

WG

Works very well for sexsearch

I'm against the quick buck.

so my :2 cents: is it's deceptive unless you really find someone or provide girls in their area.

I'm not in groot ijsselmonde :1orglaugh

J,

Hit me up. I want this.

I just started experimenting with geo-ip marketing and it's amazing how many clicks I am getting from banners that previously got 1/3 the amount of clicks.

DH

I think it's great marketing as long as you're pushing something that actually has girls in the surfers area. AdultFriendFinder is soooooo huge I can't see them not having girls at least withing 50 miles of anyone. Even if the Geo targeting is a bit off it should still at least grab the surfers atttention enough to click and check it out. Then once on the actual site the surfers city might actually be found.

Geo I.P targeting sounds good to me :thumbsup

There is nothing misleading about the geo targetted ads... I always try to picture the mindset of a surfer that has just been surfing for hours looking for the right thing.. all the popups he's battling, etc etc.... everything looks the same after a while... till you see that in Anacortes there's some lesbians in a van looking for a third. It grabs your attention plain and simple...

There's nowhere in the members areas anyway that give any hint as to where the model is from and who cares? It's no different than stating a false age of a model or whatever.

Ummm Duh....

I think a hotter topic was how major affilaite programs topped off thegeo traffic from webmasters and made profits for themselves before ever considering an option for affilaites!!!

Where is your sense of drama Styles?

Some folks made huge huge cash off webmasters that had no clue about foriegn traffic potential.

too bad they are wrong for 50% of surfers or more

Geo-ip tracking can NEVER be 100% accurate ALL THE TIME. There are a number of variables at play. The geo provider where you get your "tables" from, who owns the IPs in what city (which ISP), whether or not you're surfing on proxies or AOL, etc.

We're looking at 70% - 80% accuracy with what we're providing to Adult Programs.

That's HUGE when you takeinto consideration the following:

The fact of the matter is simply that surfers are somehow drawn to click when they see their city or something in their closely surrounding area ... THAT'S IT!

More clicks translates into more sales ... cut and dry!

:2 cents:

Nice to see a happy client, Marina :)

:thumbsup

The adult dating application of this markiting is a mere drop in the bucket.

:winkwink:

is that picture actually a geo ad? or does it say toronto for everyone? thats pretty fuckin cool if you ask me.

The Geo-IP targetting at AdultCashJunction actually shows the dating profile results from the viewers region making it more effective.

Take a look for yourself:
http://www.adultcashjunction.com/mar...tools/geo_ads/

Jonathan contact me! please

I want to follow up with you!

It says MonterayPark to me.

Cool.

That really blows my mind that you can do that kind of shit with images. I thought it was all tables, etc.

It proves the power of geomarketed ad's:)

Ya wouldnt expect Styles to prove his point any other way than straight up:)

It's no more deceiving than the concepts used on reality sites. Bangbus isn't real. It's just good marketing.

Geo-IP Marketing probably shouldn't be used in some places. In others it's fine and adds to the 'illusion' or fantasy you're trying to portray.

I looked into Geo Targeting software a while ago for a client of mine. There's some mainstream companies out there that offer geo targeting service at pretty high prices. I don't think they are using the same simple scripts that most adult companies use.

I mean some of the companies wanted to charge like $5K a month and such. For that kind of price I'm assuming they are able to geo target pretty accurately and have a bigger setup than most.

The price those companies offered were so high though we skipped over them so I don't know the rest of there details for sure.

I bet dialer companies like Profit Plantation probably have some really good software though...but that's all in house.

Geo targetting would be perfect for webcam sites.. The odds of the surfer finding a girl from his town are pretty good. As for regular porn sites I think it's useless.

What script are most adult companies using right now?

Good talking to you, Ant!

Get back to me ASAP, and I will hook you up!

:)

That's very pwerful, and exactly why I got involved with this.

You and I should talk.

Hiit me up on ICQ!

Go Jonathan! :thumbsup

Yeah, man - geo ad!

and it's a JPEG no less!

Not a slow iframe w/ textual html or a cheesy png file!

Can be integrated into ads, site tours, FHG's, etc.

Program operators are starting to see the power

:thumbsup

Check your ICQ - I hit you a few minutes ago

:thumbsup

We have a desk top application that works with serverside software ... very cool patent pending stuff :)

The ad says Wichita for me and I wouldn't date anybody from there. Kansas City has the hottest chicks :thumbsup

one of the tests we ran did 98 profiles and 9 sales from a nongeotargeted ad that just said "find a fuck buddy in your area", the geotargeted version did 680 profiles and 39 sales

http://timepilot.sexsearch.com/200x400_sxsrch65.jpg

if you want to use ads like these just ask Marina & she'll hook you up

Similar for me - I'm about 3.5 hours drive from where the image told me I was.

I am selling this script that makes banners like this:

http://www.smutcircus.info/test/cbanner.gif


for 100$.
Text, Background color, fonts and fonts colors, banner size are configurable.

Requirements: php, mysql, gdlibraries

I have the country database but you can purchase an additional city database here


If you need custom programming / configuration on it let's talk
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Yup, and if I can find a surfer that wants to wait 20 seconds for the privilege of seeing my ad, I'll give you a call!

Wow!

That's AWESOME, Adam!

I'm thrilled it's working so well for you!

:thumbsup

We appreciate your business!

Says Torrance for me . . . .guess it explains the earlier thread rrred had

That's one of the major problems i have with iframe ads ... sure they'll increase clicks and revenue a healthy %, but what about all the traffic you lose that doesn't want to wait for it to load?

What we have is a simple JPEG

With respect to your efforts to drum up business in my thread, NOT COOL!

Oour geo ad and graphic generating system has been in development for 2 years, and actively used in the real world for the past 8 months.

Our system is a patent pending windows client / unix server combination that allows a graphic designer with zero programming skills to work creatively and intuitively.

Editing configuration files and setting font locations pixel by pixel is just NOT the same thing .

Plus you renamed your PNG file from last night to a gif.

LOL

Ours can use ANY source image. Not blank and cheesy looking

... and for the record - changing a bg color is NOT the same as a pic of a hot chick
:winkwink:

you get some errors with the city , your script cant convert other language accent

I see a big sqare instead of a city.

I'm not a big fan of geoads for dating sites.

Using these for a reality type site is one thing...the reality site is not selling the potential of meeting the girl.

On dating sites the girl is the "product" that is being sold. Therefore, to show a picture of a girl that doesn't live in the area is false advertising.

This would be the same as a store that only sells Sony & JVC t.v's placing ads that say "Get your Harmon Kardon T.V. here", when they don't sell the brand.

the db is english and not full unicode. there is not a full unicode db out there at this point. we are working on the very FIRST full unicode db of this type right now.

Soon!

But agian - 70 -80% accurate is better than MOST!

:thumbsup

Btw - thanks for bringing that up. I meant to address it in a previous post
:)

Besides the Simpsons already inventing Geo-IP, Digital Envoy as their patent on it:

AVn article: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=107182

PR about their patent: http://www.crossbowventures.com/news...icle_116.shtml

and lastly, the actual patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,757,740


It was approved On June 29,2004, but filed IN march 31, 2000.

In order to invalidate the patent, you would have to be able to document use of geo-ip BEFORE March 31, 1999.

If you were using geo-ip between Match 31, 1999 and March 31, 2000, then you could be safe from this patent as a "prior inventor", but not "prior art".



Fight the Crap, Someone already patented it!

np, it was just a comment ;) i see the same error everywhere hehe

Nice if you can solve this ;)

Anybody tried the software these guys are offering for this

http://www.maxmind.com/app/geolocati...ing?rId=google

It looks like they are taking it to the next level and actually changing the ad depending on the country/region etc to match the user.

So a user in china would see an ad in chinese not "these hot girls are in Beijing" the whole ad would be different.

That to me is way more effective actually physically changing the contents of the page to match the surfers country.

This was the summary:
By being aware of users from different nationalities who speak different languages, and using the techniques outlined in this article, you can create truly global applications with minimum effort.

G

:glugglug
I thought the same shit. This technolgy was patented a long ass time ago. Only Savey webmasters utilised it (like myself) and never told a fuck all to anyone about its effectiveness.

Oh well another cat another bag...

Intelligent post as usual. What you are showing as patented is the process for building the DATABASE that a program like ours would use.

This is a process patent just as ours is. We are in the process of patenting other unique aspects of our system.

Our patent does not in any way conflict with this patent.

Rest assured we conducted a very thorough patent search prior to filing and are in great shape in regards to both prior art and patentability.

:thumbsup

the web's a wonderful place, right?

Talk about gum and thow in some Geo marketing

:Graucho