Do you guys think this whole Iraq business was just a way to move the battlefront?
 

Do you guys think this whole Iraq business was just a way to move the battlefront? Seriously, there hasn't been an attack in the States since it started. If it was just a way to create a battlefield elsewhere for all anti-American fighters it was probably a good idea and something Bush couldn't publicly state without getting trashed.

yeah, it's a much better idea than say.... reading a preschool book for several minutes.

There was already a battlefield in Afghanistan, but they didn't have enough oil.

I don't know why people keep thinking becuase we havent been attacked since 9/11 that or the Iraq war or whatever , that that means anything. These people take a long time to plan attacks. Tell me when in our history we were getting attacked every 2-4 years.

It's not like the attacks IN the united states were that frequent in the first place.....:2 cents:

WOW Look at those jugs :1orglaugh

I don't agree with that, but I do think it was just a strategic war that they wanted to do for a long time but until 911, there wouldn't have been the public support for it.

So its kind of funny how some people go on and on about how there isn't wmds and stuff. They don't realize how big of sheep they are, but will tell everyone else relentlessly how big of sheep they are.

beat me too it

Interesting idea. I think it was a welcome byproduct of a long term strategy. The sanctions against Iraq (essentially an economic blockade, like the naval blockades of the past) pointed to an eventual invasion of Iraq. They would've invaded Iraq regardless of 9/11 or George Bush.

So to answer your question,, no.

When she was done running, she had 2 black eyes.

That's a good point. Ok, I'm back to being a Bush hater. I had a 10 minute lapse of reason.

so if we have gone and taken the oil how come i am still fucking paying 3.00 a gallon for gas in california. even though i was born american, i have learned that americans are good at taking things from people. hmmmmn, for example like this country we live in. i am 50% american indian and i could tell you some true stories that they don't teach in american history about how this country was really "acquired".

Very true Manga.

If that's their plan, it's a pretty bad one. The fact that there hasn't been a major attack on US soil since 9/11 isn't anything to brag about, and it has nothing to do with Iraq, the last attacks were a decade apart. You're bringing the battle to people who weren't in it before, who wanted nothing to do with it, you can't just lump all brown people together. Now you're just creating more enemies, and you haven't weakened Al Qaeda. You should have kept the battlefield in Afghanistan, and finished the job there.

This war was about Neo cons employing their policy of pre-emption on regimes they decide aren't friendly to US interests. Everything they tell you on the news about what they went to war, what they're doing over there, and what they're achieving is bullshit, but most of you guys realize that by now. It's too bad, the media is what stopped the Vietnam war, by telling people the truth of what was going on. Now the US won't even let Al Jazeera broadcast real pictures from the war without shutting them down and bombing their studios, let alone US networks.

Do you realize America has unilateral economic sanctions against 29 other countries? If that means you're going to invade them all, it's going to be a long couple years.

You're right that this war would have happened without George Bush, as long as the neo conservatives were controlling whoever the President was. This war would not have happened without the unbelievable combination of arrogance and incompetence that only true neo conservatives bring to the table.

holy fuck. thats good information.

so essentially until the depletion of the "black gold", oil prices per barrel are going to increase drastically. gas prices are never going to come down. all they are going to do is go up. forever.

time to get one of those battery operated cars.

Please, the whole run-up to the war was based on lies and faulty intelligence, it was a made for TV war to get the public support behind it. Throw in a little mention of Al Qaeda every now and again and WMD's you can get the masses to believe anything these days.

I mean hell the screwed up so bad they had to keep inventing reasons why they invaded iraq:
The MAIN reason for war was WMD's....none
Secondary reason for war Al-Qaeda......none (before the war)
Third reason to spread freedom like fairy dust.....complete bullshit


If this whole thing was about oil I wouldn't even mind, if Bush said "We have to invade Iraq because we have reached the worlds peak oil suppy. We need to rape and pillage Iraq to get our black gold so we can fight future wars with China, Iran, North Korea."

I'd be fine with that if it was the truth.....problem is nobody knows why we REALLY went to war. Hell we don't even know what "victory" in Iraq means, there is simply no way for the US to "win"

Fascism sucks.

Actually, in total the media has given us 27 separate reasons, 23 came directly from the administration.

This thesis looks at everything said by everyone in the administration during the lead up to war.

http://www.pol.uiuc.edu/news/largio.htm

Bush is a failure

agreed...


some have reported that the Taliban are doing a fine job of reconstituting there...


not good news if that's true as they're beyond sympathetic towards the al Queda mission...

Most of the country is still controlled by warlords, outside of the capital and the US bases along the pipeline route. Their "election" was a joke. That country is going to be a terrorist breading ground for a long time.

Or investing all that money in education