Looks like Ibill is blowing off Adult.com's lawyers.
 

Still billing some of our customers and and not paying us.

We want to move our customers to another IPSP, and they are not responding our lawyers.

I guess keeping our database and our money is more important.

Looks like lawsuit time. I'll keep everyone posted.

go get them lensman

Interesting.

Nice :) blow the fuckers !!!

We have the same issue.. Just hoping they pay up.

It's against Visa/Mastercard regs to transfer your DB in this manner.

-Tony

it looks like ibill is about to have a huge shitstorm from all fronts....i am hearing more and more about them owing money

Not true. It's been done many times before.

Now ain't that some shit.

Interesting, keep us posted...
WG

I heard it had been done several times in the past as well.

correct, they used to do it all the time. i think they
will give it up in time....like Friday :winkwink:

Hmmmmmmmmm

Interesting to see how this develops.

Of course Lensman sees a problem with Ibill taking in money from his customers and not releasing it. Now to get the 400 idiots here to understand the point.

Why are there still Ibill ads on GFY. Seems a little strange doesn't it?

Lets make sure we are talking about the same thing. You want to take the customers credit cards you have intially billed under IBill. And export this data to a new processor to process under another descriptor.

Essentially the customer has agreed to the terms of being billed under the descriptor name of Ibill and you want to change the agreement and terms to another company and account.

I do not think this is going to be possible "on the record" this may have been done in the backend without Visa/Mastercard directly knowing. But it's unlikely someone with your volume will go un-noticed with todays Visa/Mastercard.

-Tony

Looks like you are paying for their lawyers as well :helpme

What I heard was as long as the bank and new processor agreed, that it can be done, and has been done many times in the past. Of course this is just hearsay, but it is what I heard from someone who would know.

WOW... Good luck man!

Good luck dude :thumbsup

We do all of our own in house processing. Let me know if I can help.

Lensman is so pissed, he used two Ands

I'm just curious if you know for a fact that it has been done before or have you just heard rumors of it being done like most other people have?

It just seems unlikely to me that not only a company would release that information but also a billing company (if your not using your own merchant account) taking on that database and rebilling them would bring on a lot of chargebacks.

I could see this happening if it was done behind closed doors with nobody else knowing about it. Annoucing it on here might of given iBill 2nd thoughts about releasing it. They'll think that every Tom, Dick & Harry will be asking for the database if they give to you now. Or else they don't want to lose a very large customer of theirs with the few customers they have left now.

I'm really curious on how this is going to turn out.

Well if there is someone that can go after them its Lensman, go get them dude :thumbsup

Lens sees what's best for his customers :thumbsup

Idiot.

ask the aussies if iBill takes databases

Best of luck Lens:thumbsup

or wsb...

What is your reason for calling me a idiot? You trying to be funny?

Try to move that DB to Epoch....... They will not let you, per visa.

Damn, I would have thought that they would at least respond to your lawyers. If only to tell them they'll look into it.

:eek7 :eek7

a few years ago, this was done on one of my accounts, the customer did not need to agree to it, but they needed to be notifed about the change in billing companies, which tehy were by email

mitch would know more about this, lets get him in here

merchant account gateway processing

securing my position

I've heard about this happening and from what I know, you are allowed to move or have the database if the customer is notified.

it will be interesting to see how this turns out.. Good Luck

So what's the fallout to the affiliates? Not good!

Didn't Medium Pimpin go through this with them awhile back. Don't know all the details, but would be intersting now. Plus their offices were not that far apart at the time.

I know for a fact that other processors are doing Ibill imports right now.

Yes, it is allowed, and it's the only proper thing to do right now.

Go get 'em!!!

Class action?

See sig

If they have your database - can they use it to promote "competitor" products? Is that the iBill.com goal?

eww so sorry to hear they are being assholes about the whole thing. good luck!

I'm not surprised I didn't trust them in 2000 and since then I never was willing to deal with them again.

Looks like Ibill is headed the same as website billing.

The only difference is that website billing was a much better company.

Lens:

If they are simply ignoring communications and, least normally, they are entitled to some time for a response. But under the conditions that are known at the moment - there is an urgent problem and this may be something that needs action now.

I mentioned in an earlier post.. irrespective of all legal bullshit, this is something where time is of the essence. Hours can matter a lot!!

Hopefully this will not happen, but if iBill closed doors tomorrow morning and dumped their papers on a liquidator or similar, - it could take a year or more to unravel some sense.

What good is a member database which is a year out of date?

Wish ya the best on this one - it is not unreasonable for some deal on releasing member databases under these circumstances.

We transferred our database twice. Certain processors have certain rules. One processor we transferred with we had to email each customer notifying them they would be billed by a different name. This is a disclosure that visa/mastercard set out and is supossed to be followed because it is written in their disclosure. So don't be surprised it you do move you may have to email each customer.

Mark

Why is Ibill allowing it for other clients but not you????