Is Illegal Immigration fucking up the USA?
 

I just visited San Diego.... Damn, I thought was somewhere OTHER than the US. WTF?

you should see where i live in Canada......full of Americans...

If all illegal immigrants came from Germany and the UK, things would actually improve, not regress. :2 cents:

Nothing wrong with illegals, and its a far cry to think they are fucking up the USA, specially since well the overwhelming majority of the population here are immigrants in the first place.

They are legal immigrants who obeyed the laws to be granted access to our country. Why not have legal immigration instead of illegal?

No, they are great for the economy. Without illegal immigrants, cost of living would be high like it is in some of europe, which would decrease consumption, which would hurt the economy even more. It goes like a chain reaction.

Each child costs goverment money until he/she is raised. When a mexican is born and raised in Mexico and comes to US all ready to work, it is like found money.

Of course there are some disadvantages to having illegal workers and border jumpers, but the advantages certainly outweigh them by far.

Welcome to Mexifornia!!!!

too bad when they jump the border they bring their 14 kids and have another 10 and along with picking fruit receieve a check for each kid until they're 40

The reason to keep them illegal was to prevent them from getting benefits. Don't let them survive without working.

It was Mexico before it was the United States. We, Brown People, were here first.

benefits? yeah right
they're the reason a asprin costs $13 at hospitols and it takes 8 hours to get a bullet removed from your arm in the ER because their kid has a "cold"

Illegal immigrants don't receive checks.

And every illegal immigrant you see with kids didn't bring them here across the border. Most of them are born here, who deserve the benefits.

Why not have legal immigration instead of illegal? [/B][/QUOTE]

Because most of the illegal immigrations would love to become legal immigrations,but maybe don't have chance or the possibility to do it.....
I understand your problem, but even if many people from different countries would just live and work in your country, they don't have possibilities and chances....

For example if you are single and over 20 years and don't have car in your name or company or house they won't even let you go to USA, even if you wanted to study there or legal work there...., that's just sad...:(

my uncle would have a hard time finding good help that doesn't speak English without them..

But better yet, you have to look at the reason they come here jobs.. If the US really wanted to stop the problem we would try to help build a good economy in Mexico.

wrong and wrong
http://www.roysongs.com/links/187.htm
overturned
why?

Best part is that many of the hospitals in Los Angeles have CLOSED their trauma units so now if you get into a car accident you might die while the ambulance tries to find a hospital that will even accept you.

Nice!!!!

Thanks to our federal government who lets these Mexicans flood into our country.

too damn many of them

hurting, are you fucking nuts? Its helping us my dear. I mean where else are going to find workers that will do 10 hrs a day without asking for overtime, benfits and a higher pay?

Send the immigrants to Kansas. On the noon news, the reporter was standing near an empty field saying that the Feds were searching for bodies. An old man claimed to have killed dozens of immigrants in the 1970s while on his deathbed.

Hmm...I wonder if he had the best crop in the state back then.

Does anyone have any accurate statistics on the number of illegal immigrants in the US?

If you are bitching about the mexicans, I have the solution.

Take the border wall down.

They will flood across the border, until that find out how expensive it is. then they will flood back.

Estimates say in 50 years, Latinos will be the majority in the United States. Whether that is "fucking up" the country, I cannot speculate.

WFT does that have to do with illegal immigrants? :1orglaugh. Hospitals are downsizing in California because insurance companies are refusing to pay the high prices of what doctors bill them. Many doctors are therefore retiring or going into private practice.

This isn't the most humane thing to say, but any culture that overpopulates itself and has to move to other areas needs a serious, widespread and fatal epidemic to get their numbers back in line with the carrying capacity of their environment. No natural ecosystem can survive when the carrying capacity of that system has grown to where those living in that system can't support themselves. :2 cents:

"Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. "
~ Agent Smith

Hey dumbass, follow the bouncing parentheses

1) Illegal aliens = mostly no insurance

2) Hospitals = need money to operate

3) Dumbass law forces hospitals to take trauma/accident patients regardless of ability to pay

4) Illegal aliens get shot at /get into accidents and go to the hospital

5) Hospital gets stuck holding colostomy bag cuz can't collect and can't turn away patients cuz of dumbass law

6) Hospital closes

7) YOUR lame ass might croak cuz closest hospital is closed.


COMPRENDE, PUTO? (As our mexican friends would say)

LOL! Shemp you ol'e dog!!! Funny as always!

I think everybody should pack up their shit and move out. white people back to europe. black people back to africa. etc..etc. give the country back to the native americans. they are the only ones allowed to bitch and whine about this.

If this happened do you think the US would still be the #1 economy in the world?

Assuming it did happen. I think it would. because the native americans would issue work visas, control industry, and let all the white people back in. and their would be mass scalping days, instead of taxes. where instead of paying taxes, one day out of the year, they ride on your neighborhood and scalp the white infidels.

just my observations. :)


Honestly though. I wouldnt begrudge anyone from trying to make a better life for their family. alot of illegals work hard and send all their money back home, shit is tough all over, cant down someone for trying to make a better life for themselves or their families. Are they annoying sometimes? yes, but I get far more annoyed with pampered ass white suburban kids than I do illegal immigrants. if I had to pick one to get rid of. it would be the white kids.

You are assuming two things that are crucial

1) That the cultural respect for rule of law and contract (which are crucial for any well-functioning market economy) will be present

2) That cultural values of saving, investment, etc will be there.

Yes it is and there are too many... I don't even have a problem as long as they are here to become an american...So many immigrants are here for the money and benefits yet don't wanna even bother to learn the language....

its one thing to make a better life for you and your family, its another thing to abuse systems setup to help people in need. people always talk about the hard working mexicans who pick fruit and send back all their money to support their familys. this simply isnt the case anymore. now they spend every penny on budweiser and stupid mods to their trucks. do you even live near a farm where this is happening or in a big city far away form any farm? you get more annoyed with pampered white kids then illegals? how so? pissed they drive bmws and you drive a pinto wagen? i get annoyed when i visit my friend working in the er and the line is out the door with people who 1 dont speak english and 2 are there simply because they dont have insurance so they visit the er and use medicare to get 1 of their 9 kids treated for a cold. there are alot of people waiting in line to enter this country legally so i see no reason why we should help people whos first official thing done in the country is breaking a law.

What do you think of this argument:

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Crying makes your eyes puff up.

cleaning my shit isnt a reward for entering the country illegally. sitting on your fat ass while your wife pops out kids and drinking beer all day living off of my paycheck is. how many generations of welfare familys abusing the system can we have before reform is in order?

I think once the INEVITABLE conclusion is reached: Terrorists can and (and in the case of the supposed Chechen entry) DO use the border to enter the USA

I agree with some of your points. But isn''t the bigger issue WELFARE REFORM (as judged by your post above) if so.... didn't the 94-95 reforms cut down on most of the blatant abuse?

its already happening

it didnt do much of anything
mandatory work is not enforced anywhere, theres just not the man power to do it so they dont even try.
time limits and not being able to add new children are easy to get around aswell. drop the program for 2weeks and resignup. you get a fresh start and a bigger check.

I beg to differ. Welfare rolls plummetted dramatically after the reforms. See: http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t030312.html
while the speaker is obviously biased (Thompson spearheaded the campaign when he was gov in WI), the statistics he quotes does support the assertion that welfare reform had a major impact in reducing the welfare rolls.

the numbers are going down because states are having to cut services like healthcare, education and training while raising the bar on who can enter the programs. people who enter this country illegally have nothing so they cant be denied support for themselves and their children. basicly they are forcing the government to raise the bar on who gets support while denying low income families the assistance they need to support the people who have less then they do. if you think every one of the 3million illegals who enter this country each year are working and not receiving any type of public assistance you're crazy. if the government setup requirements, one being you must learn ENGLISH, they might get off of the assistance and find real jobs. instead they are stuck in deadend manual labor jobs that dont require enteraction with others.

All men. Not United States men. You people take your rights for granted, and believe they only apply to U.S. citizens...

The Declaration was not written by U.S. citizens, did you know that? THERE WAS NO U.S. at the time.

Yes but they send all the $$ they make home.



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Racism comes from ignorance. It's not where a person comes from, but what they can contribute. The vast majority of immigrants illegal or not contribute positively. They are the ones that had the determination to leave their homes and make a new, better life.

They were forced to do this simply because they didn't have the good fortune to be born within the (current) borders. Yet many "Americans" who were born here are proud to excercise their "God Given" right to be lazy mofos expecting everything to be handed to them on a plate.

It is a fucking small planet we live on. We will end up taking down the Canadian and Mexican borders one day. That will be the only way we won't become a third world economy behind Asia and Europe.

Let's think about it - if the Mexicans are able to jump the border and get in illegally, exactly what's keeping terrorists from doing the exact same thing?

Stronger border patrols are needed.

And yes, they do get checks. They get welfare checks and WIC for their kids, they get free medical care, free education, etc.

Mexico's 2nd largest source of $$$ is from Mexicans in the US sending money back.

Forgive me....but are you truly this ignorant?