Abby Winters promotes cheating their affiliates
 

Hard to believe... but it's true.

Abby started a thread on their website bitching about the costs of affiliates and explaining how they will get more money if the surfer deletes the cookies before they sign up.

See for yourself at:

http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ed=1#post20628

Spread it to other boards...

These people are shit if they will tell their members and potential members how to cheat the affiliates out of their marketing efforts.

:warning

thats some fucked up shit! ..she is busted :1orglaugh

who the fuck really cares? didn't even know about that site til now lol also 50% and no rebill? That's a joke I tell you :1orglaugh

OK, I wonder how that site will survive now. I bet it lives cos of it's affiliates - which he/she/they are fucking bad. And at the same time him/her/them-self!

:BangBang: :feels-hot

If you don't want affiliates - get your own traffic, but stop being a jerkass ripping of those that help you make money! :321GFY

I read the screen caps on your site. I simply don't believe this. It's like you stated there. If you hate your affiliates so badly, why have a affiliate program at all!

Unbelievable!

http://www.q-tease.com/AbbyWinters/11.jpg

http://www.q-tease.com/AbbyWinters/8.jpg

lol

I posted some 'nice' pieces of my mind in the Abby Winters forum. I wonder how long it will be there, before deleted :)

Some people are just clueless when it comes to business :glugglug


Ivy

Wow... thanks for the heads-up :thumbsup

the actual thread is easyier to read :)

http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2182

Did any of you look at the women that she has in the tour??

Yuck.

I can not imagine why someone would pay for that.

There are tons of amateur sites out there with better looking women.

what dumb and clueless broad :2 cents:

Last time I heard, the 'she' of Abbey Winters was actually a 'he'.

Hah, 50%? Don't be kidding!
Abby Winters is probably one of the rudest, people I've met in this industry.

Here's a summary
45% Initial - No Rebills!

I emailed her about this. Here's her reply.

next she will be talking about placing tiny little classified ads in newspapers to make millions:2 cents:

Which was my first though anyhow.

So who does promote his/her site?

If so do you do well from it.

I will not promote it at all.:(

haha... now you're a spammer if you host with webair... what a joke... http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2798

This from one of her site members.... I can understand when a non-webmaster doesn't grasp the fact that the affilliate (referring) webmaster had to work very hard for many hours also, to build his sites and pages and to promote and get the traffic so that dear Abby could have him as a member.


But she should know better. Checked this out, in Abby's post....
Sorry, but this Abby is an utterly clueless bitch of the worst order.

1. Why HAVE an affiliate program at all if you're just going to bitch about having to pay them?

2. Excuse me bitch, but you wouldn't even HAVE most of your members if not for them finding their way to your site via affilliate links.

3. You don't pay affiliates on rebills? Ha ha.... then those who ARE promoting Abby's site are also clueless morons. Why not send your traffic to a pay-per-signup that pays out TWICE what Abby is paying?? Or join a decent partnership program that does pay on rebills.



Holy shit I cannot believe the bitch cut her own throat like this. I would never promote a site where the owner thinks his/her affiliates are a huge waste of money to the point where she would even suggest to or discuss with members about how to remove referral cookies etc.

The term brain-dead doesn't seem quite strong enough in this case.

Well said CD :thumbsup

damn, she is just too stupid, almost as her members and thats even more sad...
Its the same as when some football player says he dont care about fans and dont know that they pay him...

Nice guy - the guy behind Abbey Winters - one of natures all round anal warts.

I can remember when he had no affiliates and another photograher here in Australia put up some galleries for him on the Hun.

Now his affiliates are all lazy people who only work a few hours and take all his hard earned money :disgust :ugone2far

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Not even 45% that's 50-7.5 (1/2 of processing fee for a small site/program) = 42.5% no rebill. If I tgped or bought traffic to promote him/her wouldn't cover my cost.

This is the reason why I like sponsors who were affiliates of other programs first. If you were only some model or noob webmaster with no prior experience opened up a paysite barely covering costs this is the kinda unprofessional attitude you'd show :2 cents:

That bitch.

I'd like to punch that JohnMunch guy in the teeth. Cookie-clearing cocksucker.

That's why sponsors should use ip matching scripts also :winkwink: How long is the aw's cookie set to expire btw? With that kinda attitude I wouldn't be surprised if it's set to expire in 5 minutes or something..

http://www.abbywinters.com/affiliates.php

Thats whats on her webmasters sign up page. who in the blue fuck would read that and sign up???

Im sure that JohnMunch and Abby are one in the same.

I love their content. :)

With a first name like "Abby" are you really surprised? :)

maybe she should take a look at the bank balance when no webmasters promote her

screw her posts thats just stupid.. but



No rebills



WTF?

sucks :BangBang:

If affiliates are so lazy why do they need them?

Shit. What a deal! What a program! Where do I sign up? :glugglug

Talk about biting the hand that feeds. She (he) even admits that the promoting webmasters know where to post to drive the best, and most, traffic to the site.

That's worth something right there! Damn.

It's like that old joke about the computer repair dude who charges $100 for pressing a button -- it's $5 for pressing the button and $95 for knowing which button to press.

That's why I'm looking for affiliates for this site I just built. I need quality traffic, and you guys know where to find it. I could spend hours learning where to promote, but I have a site to maintain. That's why we pay 50% on signups AND rebills via ccbill. It's only fair for a sale I wouldn't have anyway.
<shameless plug - getting off soapbox>

That's lovely!

"Around half to a third of all our joins are from affiliates, which means, it's a big chunk of the gross income."

Only half??? She must deserve all the affiliate traffic plus all the money too! Damn those cookies.

That is a very stupid attitude AW has.

The thread I started at abbywinters.com:

http://www.abbywinters.com/vbulletin...ead.php?t=2798

And this was my last reply there :)

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How nice all this sympathy for Abby.

First of all, I was never and will never be an abbywinters.com affiliate. I choose my programs carefully and 50% on initial subscription and no rebills is, I think, the worst I've ever seen in this business.

Secondly, most of you clearly don't understand what it takes to be a GOOD and honest affiliate. Sure there are affiliates trying to make sales whatever it takes, as also there are pay site members trying to screw up the pay site owners with their charge backs and everything (talk to any pay site owner and he'll admit this).

I spend over $3k USD monthly alone on promoting my sponsors, it takes me about 8 hours DAILY (and not weekly as Abby tries to make you believe, there are affiliates spending this weekly and they don't make money), so don't anybody give me this shit about affiliates being people that make easy money! Making money as an affiliate is just as hard as making money as a pay site owner. And don't think I'm a big player. There are lots of people putting in MUCH more effort than I do.

Then you visit the wrong TGPs. Visit The Hun (http://www.thehun.com), the biggest TGP around. He chooses the galleries he lists very carefully and makes sure there are no pop-ups, or any shit in it, OR even in the sponsor pages they promote.

50% AND NO REBILLS, is the lowest I've ever seen in this industry. There are sponsors paying $40 to their affiliates, when the surfer only takes a tour of a few bucks. Why you ask? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S WORTH TO THEM! Ask any sponsor what is most important about a pay site and most of them will answer 'enough affiliates to promote it'.

As I said, I'm not, and have never been an abbywinters.com affiliate. This was just spread around some adult webmaster boards.

That would be a no, and the people who did sign-up for this affiliate program are a couple of morons, because they could have made at least double the money as they did with abbywinters.com

I'm not from Amsterdam, and why would that be an interesting thing to know?

Don't get me wrong here. I understand that for surfers it's hard to understand what affiliates do and it looks like all they do is taking money. But you should see it this way, an affiliate is like the company that makes a TV commercial. Do any of you really think that they are getting their money without doing anything for it? Do any of you think that a brand like Coca Cola or Nike or whatever big name comes up to you would still be that big in another 10 years when they stopped promoting themselfs through those companies?

I can ensure you that affiliates are exactly the same as those commercial companies. The good ones KNOW how to promote a pay site and where to promote it. Affiliates are the ones that make pay sites big, NOT the pay site owner.

I'd be happy to show all of you some more insights of being an affiliate (btw, that's not the only thing I do), but I kind of have the feeling you all will still sympathise with Abby.

So in the meantime, let's talk about Abby. I see all of you are referring to Abby as a she. With me she goes for a female right? Well, Abby might be a clueless motherf*cker and one of the worst people to work with in the adult industry, calling this guy a woman is something I even wouldn't do.

Again, I'd be glad to explain some more details to you all, just let me know.
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Kind of like fucking around with those clueless surfers :)

BUSTED..... FINALLY

I had some unfortunate dealings with this BITCH , SHEMALE whatever a few months ago and she posted some slanderous shit about me on her boards....

Very unprofessional person. Very rude and obviously cares not about any other webmasters or customers.

How is she even a model anyway?... She is UGLY AS SIN!

I decided not to post here at the time but now that everybody else is beginning to notice that she is corrupt, SUPERB!

Get this ugly dog bitch of the internet.

Ed

That one's definitely going on my blacklist.

Too Bad for Abby Winters...

She hung herself with this one...

But we all know that this shit happens more often...

So, just because Abby was so quick to apologize (not)...

Can you all be sure that this is posted on any other forum where hard working affiliates hang out ("with nothing to do" according to Abby's latest response)

The original screen shots:

http://www.q-tease.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327#327


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

There is some guy saying he would rather see Abby in a Lambo than the affiliates? If she only realised it she could probably have that Lambo pretty quickly as opposed to it being a pipedream if she worked with affiliates.

50% w/ no rebills is tantamount to theft, but telling and encouraging surfers to delete cookies etc IS theft.

This is the equivalent to having a salesman, and cutting out his %, but taking his sales.

If a sponsor ever discusses their monetary situation with their affiliates, they're fucking idiots. Surfers don't want to know that they're fucking someone's private fortune.

Treat your affiliates like shit, and you're jsut stupid. Reputation is everything. I hate rude people in this business.