wow, an anti-kerry commercial i just saw...
 

it wasn't even from the republicans (bush's campaign)

it had a bunch of soldiers who served with kerry totally bashing him saying he can't be trusted...

anyone else see it?

probably all bullshit, everything is nowadays

Definitely not bs, there is a growing group of soldiers who served with Kerry in Vietnam who dispute many of Kerry's claims of what happened and what he said happened in order to achieve his medals of honor. Look what's the #1 book on Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

IF serving with Kerry happens to mean being in Vietnam at around same time.

Here's what the treating doctor for his first wound said when interviewed:

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay. John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

No other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.

That's because Kerry was the only one who refused taking the ladder

Seen this image posted on a pro-Bush site. Hopefully this doesn't hurt his chances.

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9987/...st_aid_kit.jpg

:)

Yep. Its going to hurt his campaign for sure.

it's true because it's #1 on the amazon list?
Here's some info on the co-author of the book

Cheney took 5 defirments and Johnny A took 7 .

Evildick.

Go ask a emergency room doctor what wound he treated first on monday this week. When he or she gives you a blank stare.
Ask yourself ok what war er doctor will remember a superficial wound from decades ago.

They never served with Kerry. Been proven. Organization that made that comemerical has ties to the GOP. Proven.

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Listen you punks it's all a part of the republican plan to keep power... Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes again...

Published by the same company who publsihed clinton bashing books during the clinton admin. With great lies like the Clinton family decorated the xmas tree in the white house with condoms.

Hmmm I wonder when in October the 1000th soldier dies in Iraq how is that going to effect Bush's campaign? Say what you want but the number 1000 just sticks into people minds.

he was on a boat, there where many other boats in the same unit.

he slept and ate and partied with the offcers. Sure they knew him and knew him well.

Don't think the the only men that knew him where on that one boat, because that is pure bullshit.

Just I was in the Army and served with many men. I knew most of the men in my company and it was in the hundreds.

Yes, he sure had a picture perfect recollection of those events. Never said I believed it, was just reposting from another site.

I've got to admit, some of the quotes from the guy that wrote the book are pretty dam funny:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010

Well Cheney and Bush never got a change to qualify for undeserved Purple Hearts because that would have required them to actually go to Nam. A bunch of draft dodgers going "hey look he got fake purple hearts "that's laughable. And no one has flipped flopped more than Bush. Hmm seems in 200 Bush was ANTI-nation building. WTF are we doing in Iraq again? According to Bush it's wrong to spend AMERICAN tax $ on schools and health care for Americans but it's OK to spend American tax $ on schools and healthcare in Iraq? WTF?

I can recall in detials what went on in my unit and it was 35 plus years ago. Can still remember what people looked like and most of there names.

I knew it couldn't possibly be true. I am glad it isn't true. hehe:winkwink:

Hmmm.. Do you seriously believe they did not receive some kind of bling bling offer from the republicans to do that commercial? :1orglaugh

that's pretty much irrelevant, they can't blatantly lie like that on a TV commercial.. i know i know, you don't wanna believe it, but c'mon.

C'mon man, you know what money can do.

Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. But you have to keep an open mind with all the possibilities.

I didn't equate its authenticity with the books ranking, just corroborating the intial post that yes there were some of Kerry's fellow soldiers who tell a different story than his.

This commercial has already been proven false .. the guys in it didn't even serve with him.. This is a add even Bush is distancing himself from because he knows it's false and he dosen't want to get caught in the fall out.

It's a shame dirty politics like this is allowed to happen in this country.

here is a news report about this commerical, even McCrain is aginst it.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...rry.mccain.ap/

I can't believe how Americans believe any bullshit they see on TV. Every major newspaper had said none of these guys served with Kerry. Almost all of Kerry's crew members support him. As for the doctor who is claiming to remember a minor wound in the middle of a war, his name doesn't appear on any of Kerry's medical records. All these guys are big GOP supporters, one of the authors was hired in 71 by Nixon to come up with dirt on Kerry. The other author has been caught making insane racists anti Christian comments on message boards. All this has been in the NYT.

Please people, think for yourselves. Do a little research instead of believing some nutcase on his word. It's bullshit.

Its this kind of stupidity thats going to allow Bush to steal the election again.

Everyone on Kerry's boat defends him and verifies his story. These other GOP lackeys are nothing more than agenda driven pawns with an agenda. Wake the fuck up and quit believing everything the Republicans feed you.

well then, it's a shame that we even HAVE to resort to research when it comes to very important political events like this. there needs to be much more strict TV regulations, they should get sued for producing false information.

Yes I agree.

It's all semantics, they're smart enough to not say things outright. Most people assume they must be telling the truth because they media doesn't question this kind of shit nearly enough. They'll say the guys served with John Kerry, not that they served on the same boat with him, that kind of shit. They were in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry, so they can't get sued for saying they served with him.

Like John Stuart said, they served with John Kerry just like Snoopy served with the red baron.


http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/...noopyblank.gif

What difference does it make really? He wasn't supposed to see a doctor because he has a medical degree and should have probed around in there himself?

kerry is a complete ass

They were trying to say his purple heart is not valid because they weren't under enemy fire at the time, and that he basically lied and said they were.

I don't care, I still hope he kicks Bush's ass.

This campaign is a constant war of misinformation. :glugglug

exactly ! :1orglaugh