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Jon 07-07-2004 09:44 AM

I'll Answer your SEO Questions
 
I though being home from work for a week would give me more than enough time to handle some projects I've been putting off lately, but really, I am just so bored at the moment. So instead of putting my time to waste, why don't you guys/girls list your SEO questions here. I'll try to answer as many of them as possible, and you can even touch up on the cloaking subjects, although, I cannot get too in depth into it.

TheJimmy 07-07-2004 09:45 AM

why if you're cloaking to hide your SEO/html code from jackers are you penalized ?


I know why blatent cloaking is....but protecting your work should be acceptable imo

Dirty F 07-07-2004 09:46 AM

Haha good...let me start here. How the feck do i get se traffic for a keyword?

Now thats a good question isnt?

Dont give me some links with 10 pages to read, give me some straight to the point tips.

Yes, i know absolutely nothing about se's.

Benja 07-07-2004 09:46 AM

Are the expired domains still good to start with good PR or they will be "reseted" ?

AdPatron 07-07-2004 09:48 AM

Tell us more professor!

Jon 07-07-2004 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheJimmy
why if you're cloaking to hide your SEO/html code from jackers are you penalized ?


I know why blatent cloaking is....but protecting your work should be acceptable imo

Penalized?! No. You are penalized for cloaking in general, not for hiding your work. If you're referring to the NOCACHE tag on google, they definitely do not penalize you for it. You were probably penalized due to a comepetitor reporting you.

Benja 07-07-2004 09:49 AM

How many weeks/months do you need to check if a SEO strategy is working or not ? And how do you do it ?

Jon 07-07-2004 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CollegeSucks
Tell us more professor!
College Sucks, you're absolutely right. Preach on brotha.

Frank The Tank 07-07-2004 09:49 AM

what can i do better with babesandstuff.com to make it more se friendly

doober 07-07-2004 09:51 AM

*Pulling up a chair next to Battuss and sitting down quietly*

:winkwink:

Jon 07-07-2004 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
Haha good...let me start here. How the feck do i get se traffic for a keyword?

Now thats a good question isnt?

Dont give me some links with 10 pages to read, give me some straight to the point tips.

Yes, i know absolutely nothing about se's.

You get search engine traffic for a keyword by two means..

1. optimize your website's pages specifically for a keyword in mind, organically on the search engines.

2. start a pay per click campaign, don't alter any code really, and start gaining clicked search engine traffic in a matter of minutes.

Jon 07-07-2004 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Benja
Are the expired domains still good to start with good PR or they will be "reseted" ?
Touchy subject. Everyone has a different point of view or opinion on this one. I would say that the pagerank isn't totally lost, but definitely reduced, unless you keep up the inbound links.

Tala 07-07-2004 09:55 AM

*quietly sits next to doober, pencil in hand*

Jon 07-07-2004 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Benja
How many weeks/months do you need to check if a SEO strategy is working or not ? And how do you do it ?
Depends on the engines you're targetting. You can do it by hand or you can purchase a few good programs out there used for finding your results based on a keyword list.

Tuga 07-07-2004 09:59 AM

What PPC are you using and what SEs are you optimizing for? Google, Yahoo, adwords and overture are saturated, what else is out there?

Jon 07-07-2004 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by basadmin
what can i do better with babesandstuff.com to make it more se friendly
I'd say focus more on adding keyword rich text to your site. Don't overuse the keywords either. Devise a list of "primary keywords", "secondary keywords", and "misc keywords". Then sprinkle them into your text content, but again DO NOT overuse them, otherwise you'll just hurt yourself. This way, you can aim for the keywords you're after. Also, a good idea is to always keep your site relevant to the content and categories you're after. Especially in your inbound linking structure. Be sure to add keyword rich anchor text to the websites that link to you as well.

brand0n 07-07-2004 10:00 AM

if i call google and offer them a bribe will that asure me top placement for a few keywords?

:stfu and sits next to Tala:

Jon 07-07-2004 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuga
What PPC are you using and what SEs are you optimizing for? Google, Yahoo, adwords and overture are saturated, what else is out there?
It seems that every month there are a crowd of new PPC search engines out there, but when it comes down to it, saturated or not, AdWords and Overture still, in my opinion do the best. Perhaps targetting saturated keywords is not what you should be doing. Maybe going after a larger volume of non-competitive keywords will reduce your ppc spending and increase you traffic volume and quality at the same time. You really have to spend some time playing around with both engines, and a keyword list to really fine tune your campaigns with what works, and what doesn't.

Other engines out there that I've heard good things about are:

search123.com
7search.com
espotting.com

There are more, but I can't remember them offhand for now.

Jon 07-07-2004 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
if i call google and offer them a bribe will that asure me top placement for a few keywords?

:stfu and sits next to Tala:

Yes.

DutchTeenCash 07-07-2004 10:06 AM

1. what id like to know is tell me how crosslinking on say google works, how many sites do have to link how many hits before you get a cerain google ranking...

2. does this work on 3rd level TLDs as well ?

Jon 07-07-2004 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkx
1. what id like to know is tell me how crosslinking on say google works, how many sites do have to link how many hits before you get a cerain google ranking...
Hmm, kind of hard to understand what you're asking.. can you refine your question?

johnbosh 07-07-2004 10:12 AM

How much time must I use the keyword in my page to get maximum result?
Like per 100 words how many time the keyword?

soukee 07-07-2004 10:13 AM

NiteChatDotTV, your offer is generous, so I ask: Do you know any resources where I can see count of searches of my keyword?

Jon 07-07-2004 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnbosh
How much time must I use the keyword in my page to get maximum result?
Like per 100 words how many time the keyword?

It's really different for each page. Unfortunately in the SEO game there are no real set numbers to follow. I really do wish there were, it would make everything so much easier. I've had sites that did well where the keyword was listed two or three times, and other times where it was listed over 30 times. I think you should put more effort into building your inbound link structure with some keyword rich anchor tags, than worrying about the number of times your keyword appears in the text content of the site. A good way to find out though is to look at the current top 10 ranking pages of your competitors for that specific keyword. Jot down differences and similarities in their page structure, and use the good 'ol trial and error method on your own page. I'm sure after some trying you will find it much easier to get a good method down pat.

Jon 07-07-2004 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by soukee
NiteChatDotTV, your offer is generous, so I ask: Do you know any resources where I can see count of searches of my keyword?
You can use download.com or tucows.com to search for a shareware program, or just use Google search for a program. If you still can't find any, I'll find my list of programs and list some good ones. Hope this helps.

DutchTeenCash 07-07-2004 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Hmm, kind of hard to understand what you're asking.. can you refine your question?
ok : PR ranking is based on a number of things, one of them is how many other sites link to say aaa.com

what im wondering is : is there a certain formula for this, say site xxx.com yyy.com zzz.com all link to my site aaa.com 10k/day, can you easily calc what pr ranking this will get site aaa.com

2nd questions : does this crosslinking work on subdomains too, so if i linke blabla.aaa.com and nono.aaa.com to the main TLD aaa.com does this increase PR rating ?

Jon 07-07-2004 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkx
ok : PR ranking is based on a number of things, one of them is how many other sites link to say aaa.com

what im wondering is : is there a certain formula for this, say site xxx.com yyy.com zzz.com all link to my site aaa.com 10k/day, can you easily calc what pr ranking this will get site aaa.com

2nd questions : does this crosslinking work on subdomains too, so if i linke blabla.aaa.com and nono.aaa.com to the main TLD aaa.com does this increase PR rating ?

1st- PageRank is based on the number of inbound links to a webpage, not clicks. I think you're getting confused with Alexa and Google.. If sites xxx.com, yyy.com, and zzz.com all have PR's of 7, then yes, your site will definitely climb the rankings, but if they are all low PR's, like 3's and 4's, then you'll need to get the rest of the alphabet domains linking back.

2nd- PageRank effects one page per site. As long as all of your pages on your site interlink, then the PR will be shared, even if it's a subdomain. Technically speaking www. is considered a subdomain, and you will notice a lot of times a site without the www. may have a higher PR than a site with it, it just comes down to how they were linked to by other sites.

soukee 07-07-2004 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
You can use download.com or tucows.com to search for a shareware program, or just use Google search for a program. If you still can't find any, I'll find my list of programs and list some good ones. Hope this helps.
It doesnt exist any URL where is count of searches? For example overture, etc.

Jon 07-07-2004 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by soukee
It doesnt exist any URL where is count of searches? For example overture, etc.
Wait, you're referring to a keyword search tool or a ranking search tool?

chemicaleyes 07-07-2004 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by soukee
It doesnt exist any URL where is count of searches? For example overture, etc.
http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/
that what you want?

DutchTeenCash 07-07-2004 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
1st- PageRank is based on the number of inbound links to a webpage, not clicks. I think you're getting confused with Alexa and Google.. If sites xxx.com, yyy.com, and zzz.com all have PR's of 7, then yes, your site will definitely climb the rankings, but if they are all low PR's, like 3's and 4's, then you'll need to get the rest of the alphabet domains linking back.

2nd- PageRank effects one page per site. As long as all of your pages on your site interlink, then the PR will be shared, even if it's a subdomain. Technically speaking www. is considered a subdomain, and you will notice a lot of times a site without the www. may have a higher PR than a site with it, it just comes down to how they were linked to by other sites.

ok thanks got that, youre right www is a sub kinda, i see people doing that so i wondered... so that doesnt help thanks :thumbsup

DutchTeenCash 07-07-2004 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/
that what you want?

cool never knew that was there... thanks! funyn when i type dutch teen 175 hits to dutch teen amateur pops up hehe

Searches done in May 2004
Count Search Term
2853 dutch teen
175 amateur dutch teen

MaDalton 07-07-2004 10:37 AM

when i use images for inbound links, is it enough to have alt text on them or should i add text links as well? thanks

Jon 07-07-2004 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaDalton
when i use images for inbound links, is it enough to have alt text on them or should i add text links as well? thanks
I guess instead of just stuffing a keyword into the alt text tag you can use an anchor text sentence with some keywords in it instead. Or if the sites that are linking to you allow it, to just add the anchor text link below the image. Either way would work I think.

Jon 07-07-2004 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkx
ok thanks got that, youre right www is a sub kinda, i see people doing that so i wondered... so that doesnt help thanks :thumbsup
No problem, if you've got anything else to add don't be afraid to ask here.

Jon 07-07-2004 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thinkx
cool never knew that was there... thanks! funyn when i type dutch teen 175 hits to dutch teen amateur pops up hehe

Searches done in May 2004
Count Search Term
2853 dutch teen
175 amateur dutch teen

You can also use Google's Sandbox tool. Just pretend to make an adwords account, and use their "keyword suggestion tool".

karlm 07-07-2004 10:49 AM

http://www.marketleap.com/publinkpop/

Jut thought i would add a usefull link.

Jon 07-07-2004 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by karlm
http://www.marketleap.com/publinkpop/

Jut thought i would add a usefull link.

Yep Marketleap's PR tool is much better when you are targetting other engines aside from Google. Much better to rely on than Alexa as well, since there are so many ways to cheat Alexa, their rankings aren't as relevant as everyone thinks.

DutchTeenCash 07-07-2004 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by karlm
http://www.marketleap.com/publinkpop/

Jut thought i would add a usefull link.

thanks great link!

gornyhuy 07-07-2004 11:06 AM

Thanks for the info!

How effective is it to purchase very high PR inbound links to bump up your own index PR? What is sufficient amount of time for googlebot to take that linking into account? How long will that PR bump stick around once the high PR link is gone?

Slinx 07-07-2004 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
Haha good...let me start here. How the feck do i get se traffic for a keyword?

Now thats a good question isnt?

Dont give me some links with 10 pages to read, give me some straight to the point tips.

Yes, i know absolutely nothing about se's.

If I am the next time in Amsterdam I can explain you some basics.

SCORE Ralph 07-07-2004 11:19 AM

I got a few questions, Nite.

1) At what point does interlinking get you penalized at google (or any other SE for that matter)?

2) It is suggested (for google) that you dont use more than 100 links in a page. Yet I have seen pages cluttered with a much larger amount of links that give off PR and that are listed on G. What's up with this?

3) If you have more than one link in a page that points to the same URL, are they counted as one link out or as separate as far as links out and PR are concerned? ie. Say I have 5 links on one page all pointing at www.Score-Cash.com, would google count them as 1 out or 5 links out?

Thanks for the lesson!

Jon 07-07-2004 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gornyhuy
Thanks for the info!

How effective is it to purchase very high PR inbound links to bump up your own index PR? What is sufficient amount of time for googlebot to take that linking into account? How long will that PR bump stick around once the high PR link is gone?

Packing all the questions into one eh?

1- Purchasing high PR inbound links is always a good thing. If you can't get a good high PR site to link to you for free, theres no shame in paying for it, just make sure it's worth it. In my opinion it's ver effective. It's exactly the same as getting a free PR 8 linking to you as getting a paid PR 8 linking to you.

2- It can take anywhere from 1-3 months, sometimes shorter sometimes longer, there's no real set duration of time it takes.

3- Well what you should do is if you are paying for the inbound high PR link, but don't want to continue it, you'll need to quickly find lower PR pages to link to you in it's place. As soon as it's removed, well maybe not as soon, but within a month or so, your ranking will lose footing both in the PR sector and the rankings sector that was effected by the boost.

Big Cheese 07-07-2004 11:24 AM

Is it a bad idea to use something like this in my url's for different pages:

website.com/page.php?id=5
website.com/page.php?id=6
and so on...

Jon 07-07-2004 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by aspwm
I got a few questions, Nite.

1) At what point does interlinking get you penalized at google (or any other SE for that matter)?

2) It is suggested (for google) that you dont use more than 100 links in a page. Yet I have seen pages cluttered with a much larger amount of links that give off PR and that are listed on G. What's up with this?

3) If you have more than one link in a page that points to the same URL, are they counted as one link out or as separate as far as links out and PR are concerned? ie. Say I have 5 links on one page all pointing at www.Score-Cash.com, would google count them as 1 out or 5 links out?

Thanks for the lesson!

I've got a few answers for you..

1- When it's blatant spam. Usually when you're linked up with sites that have been blacklisted by google or any other engine/directory. IMHO link lists tend to not be a good source of interlinking for PageRank.

2- Tough one. I've actually used pages myself that had way more than 100 links and was never penalized for it. From what I understand the number of links you can have, while still being able to keep off the trouble radar is under 200 links total. Also keep in mind, if the page is just a link listing spam page, they will be penalized, but if it's relevant, and has actual content to a specific category, it can probably get away with having loads of links and PR distribution without getting penalized. It's yet another questionable topic that I can't really say what is allowed and what is not allowed because I just don't know for sure myself.

3- You're pretty good at these questionable topics. I see it like this, as long as you have a different anchor text link for each link itself, then it should be okay. So say you have some text content and throw in the anchor text link of "Adult Affiliate Program" linking to your site, then have the keyword "Affiliate Site" and then more keywords under that same keyphrase topic, I think you will be okay and Google may count it as seperate outbound links instead of just one. But again, this is just my opinion, not a fact, so you'll have to use your own methods and trial and error tactics on it and see what happens in the end.

Hope this helps.

Jon 07-07-2004 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Cheese
Is it a bad idea to use something like this in my url's for different pages:

website.com/page.php?id=5
website.com/page.php?id=6
and so on...

You mean using dynamic pages?

It's not a bad idea, but it's not the best idea. You can use scripts out there that change your dynamic url strings into ones that look like static ones. If you use Apache you can alter it as well without the use of a script.

Big Cheese 07-07-2004 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
You mean using dynamic pages?

It's not a bad idea, but it's not the best idea. You can use scripts out there that change your dynamic url strings into ones that look like static ones. If you use Apache you can alter it as well without the use of a script.

Ok, thanks. Time to mess with mod_rewrite a bit :)

SCORE Ralph 07-07-2004 12:02 PM

Thanks for the reply Nite.

On my first question, I wasnt referring to linklist, just to general linking between pages. Have you noticed any penalizing from this sort of linking? Since the pages Im inquiring about have rich content themselve, Im assume that they would not be penalized.

Let's keep this rolling... Some reports say that google is taking into account directory listings as part of their relevancy when a query is made. Have you noticed (other than yahoo, ODP, etc.) any directories that google accepts? Im wondering what criteria does a site has to meet for it to be a "directory" and for it to be included into the relevancy check.

Basic_man 07-07-2004 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
if i call google and offer them a bribe will that asure me top placement for a few keywords?

:stfu and sits next to Tala:

mouhahaha, nice question ! :D

Jon 07-07-2004 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aspwm
Thanks for the reply Nite.

On my first question, I wasnt referring to linklist, just to general linking between pages. Have you noticed any penalizing from this sort of linking? Since the pages Im inquiring about have rich content themselve, Im assume that they would not be penalized.

Let's keep this rolling... Some reports say that google is taking into account directory listings as part of their relevancy when a query is made. Have you noticed (other than yahoo, ODP, etc.) any directories that google accepts? Im wondering what criteria does a site has to meet for it to be a "directory" and for it to be included into the relevancy check.

1- I've not yet seen penalizing from interlinked content rich sites. Only from link lists, so you're probably not doing anything wrong there.

2- Google always likes links that come in from directories. They don't necessarily have to be a mainstream one like ODP (although if you get ODP linkage you're almost guaranteed to do better than other pages that don't have it) or Yahoo's, they can be adult ones as well. When gaining links from a directory that is not a link list, but a real content rich directory with meaning it always adds a positive rating to that page. There has always been a lot of speculation on this matter as well, so nothing is 100% proven, it all comes down to you and your methods of what works and what doesn't. I don't think there is a set criteria for a site to be considered a directory, but if you look at a list of 20 or 30 different directories they all usually have the same things, such as a search tool, a categorized list of websites pertaining to a specific category, and a generalized theme. As long as you have those on your site, I guess anyone can consider it a directory.


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