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Tom_PMs 07-07-2004 12:11 PM

50 Questions..

Does google prefer to list hyperlinks pointing to

folder/

or to

folder/index.html

?

Jon 07-07-2004 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Basic_man
mouhahaha, nice question ! :D
Brand0n is always into bribing rather than doing the work. How do you think he managed to score all of those 15" black dildos? Sexual favors, nuff said.

:Graucho

Jon 07-07-2004 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom_PM
50 Questions..

Does google prefer to list hyperlinks pointing to

folder/

or to

folder/index.html

?

I don't know if it really matters, but when the spider comes through, I'm pretty sure it will find the index.html on default. Just to be safe, I would link directly to the index page.

Jon 07-07-2004 12:26 PM

People have posted some pretty good questions. I know there are a lot of newbies here so don't be scared to post your questions. You may not get a better time to get them answered. Entertain me!

xxxdesign-net 07-07-2004 12:27 PM

cloaked seo network ? Can you explain what does that mean?

Jon 07-07-2004 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
cloaked seo network ? Can you explain what does that mean?
When you make a cloaked website it won't last as long as a cloaked network. A cloaked network is a chunk of sites, generally between 10-200 domains strong that interlink very lightly amongst eachother but capitlalize for one specific niche or category. The reason for this is that every few months you will lose a few sites due to being flagged or penalized, so the other sites in the network will take over the spot or search engine footing of the lost domain allowing you to still gain traffic in the place of the lost site. This can go on for a very long time and requires very little updating, and managing. It's also not as easy as it sounds, but can definitely be accomplished within a month's time. The hardest part of the process is launching the network itself, once it's done, you can just duplicate the process until you get bored, or run out of money for paying for the domains. That's the gist of it really, and unfortunately that's about as far into it as I'll go.

serious 07-07-2004 12:36 PM

Do you know what percentage google uses to calculate the estimated amount of clicks you will get on an adwords ad? Wondering if you can reverse calculate this to get a rough daily search amount.

badmrfrosty 07-07-2004 12:36 PM

Can you give us a basic run down of how _you_ select keywords on google when promoting a specific site? (adwords?). I am just trying to stop wasting my adwords budget every month, I can only spend a few hundred $ each month on adwords, are there some tips or guidelines you can give a newbie?

Thanks,
BMF

Big Cheese 07-07-2004 12:36 PM

Is it worth it to pay search engines to list your site?

Jon 07-07-2004 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by serious
Do you know what percentage google uses to calculate the estimated amount of clicks you will get on an adwords ad? Wondering if you can reverse calculate this to get a rough daily search amount.
Sorry but this is one question that is just out of my league.

Jon 07-07-2004 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Cheese
Is it worth it to pay search engines to list your site?
Are you referring to Pay For Inclusion (PFI)? I used to think it was, but now I'm kind of against it. I know the engines that use it need to pay stockholders, but the prices keep going higher and higher and the results just kind of stay the same. I'm sure it varies depending on how hard you promote your site or taylor your site for that particular engine. In the end though, if it were up to me, I wouldn't.

Jon 07-07-2004 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by badmrfrosty
Can you give us a basic run down of how _you_ select keywords on google when promoting a specific site? (adwords?). I am just trying to stop wasting my adwords budget every month, I can only spend a few hundred $ each month on adwords, are there some tips or guidelines you can give a newbie?

Thanks,
BMF

Sure, you can use a bunch of different tactics on selecting the correct keywords. First off, if you are promoting an affiliate site, it's always best to use your own domain IMHO. I just think it looks better on the AdWords ads themselves without the "aff" or "affiliate" wording in there that takes up the valuable but limited amount of advertising characters you can use. With AdWords in particular, it's not really about the keyword, it's more about the actual ad and how to attract the surfers to click on it. With AdWords, if you're CTR is higher than your competitors, Google will credit you with a higher ranking for paying less, which no other service I know of does. Google just wants to see your ads being as relevant as possible to the actual search term you're advertising for.

A good way to increase your ROI and CTR at the same time is to create as many sub-campaigns as possible. You don't have to have 50 keywords sharing 5 ads. I've always told people, limit each campaign to 10 keywords or so and create 3-5 ads per campaign. I know, it sounds like a lot of work if you've got 100 sub-campaigns setup, but if you're willing to do the work, you will see which keywords will work for you and which will not.

Another good way to find out which keywords work and which dont is to track them directly. Using the check box and "max cpc/change url" button on the AdWords campaign interface, it's always smart to change the domain to http://www.blah.com/?keyword" this way, you can track it through your webstats and see which user is clicking which keyword, and where they are clicking on your site as well.

Big Cheese 07-07-2004 12:52 PM

Great thread. Thanks for the info :)

MarcieB 07-07-2004 01:22 PM

Great thread. I was wandering, is it a good idea to have a directory structure like for instance: domain/free-porn-pics/teen-porn-pics/gallery1/index.html?

soukee 07-07-2004 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chemicaleyes
http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/
that what you want?

Thanks for answer... I know overture but I would like to find something else:-)

smack 07-07-2004 02:15 PM

this is the best buisness thread i've seen in a long time on here. thanks for taking the time to answer all of our questions. :thumbsup

Maximillion 07-07-2004 02:43 PM

What has a better chance of getting surfer traffic from google?

1) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs.htm

or

2) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs/blonde_boobs.htm


and does the first url above get a higher PR because its right off the root?

Thanks!

swami 07-07-2004 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Touchy subject. Everyone has a different point of view or opinion on this one. I would say that the pagerank isn't totally lost, but definitely reduced, unless you keep up the inbound links.
This answer shows you are way behind the times young man.
Expired domains page rank are all getting crunched by google at the moment.
The only question is ,for how long will they keep them at pr0?
I guess 12 months.

WiredGuy 07-07-2004 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
This answer shows you are way behind the times young man.
Expired domains page rank are all getting crunched by google at the moment.
The only question is ,for how long will they keep them at pr0?
I guess 12 months.

I actually disagree with that. I have been able to pickup expired domains and upon acquisition they were reset to PR0. But within 1-2 updates I was able to keep most of the PR (usually dropped by 1 or 2 points but kept most of it). Unfortunately this means picking up a PR7 on expiration only meant getting a PR5 after 1-2 updates which was rather discouraging. Building a PR5 is much easier than the effort to try to get a PR7 expiring domain. But the case in point I'm trying to make was that if the backlinks more or less stay and the content you're targetting remains the same (ie: similiar theme as prior to the deletion) then I was able to keep the domain from being reset to 0 entirely.

WG

sake 07-07-2004 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maximillion
What has a better chance of getting surfer traffic from google?

1) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs.htm

or

2) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs/blonde_boobs.htm

Was wondering the same thing...

StarkReality 07-07-2004 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maximillion
What has a better chance of getting surfer traffic from google?

1) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs.htm

or

2) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs/blonde_boobs.htm


and does the first url above get a higher PR because its right off the root?

Thanks!

Cool thread :thumbsup

From my experience, subdirectories are much less important than the html filename itself. You may want to change the underscore to "-", Google doesn't like underscores as separators.

Which one gets more PR ? It depends on the incoming links only, not the directory.

In general, on-site optimizing has become much less important, that's why all those huge site networks. Link popularity is the key, you certainly recognized many linksites changing their button links to category specific textlinks. Some sites that rank good for a certain keyword don't even have the word on the actual page, but many incoming links using this keyword as anchor text.

sake 07-07-2004 03:22 PM

So Google doesn't like ext. like this> a_b_c.html

SO is abc.html and a-b-c.html ok then?

wvuatl 07-07-2004 03:23 PM

what is the max number of text words you would want to have per page? do SEs care if you have too many words per page?

StarkReality 07-07-2004 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
This answer shows you are way behind the times young man.
Expired domains page rank are all getting crunched by google at the moment.
The only question is ,for how long will they keep them at pr0?
I guess 12 months.

This is true for the majority of domains, but some survive. It's easy to tell if google only deleted the backlinks, so once the domain is active again PR comes back or if the domain was blacklisted like most expired domains:

Go to google and enter domain.com as search term, you either see:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

BAD, domain burned

OR:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

GOOD, domain not burned

StarkReality 07-07-2004 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sake
So Google doesn't like ext. like this> a_b_c.html

SO is abc.html and a-b-c.html ok then?

abc.html is good when people search for "abc"
a-b-c.html is good when people search for "a b c"

So, when you optimize for a key term instead of a single keyword, don't use key1key2key3.html, but key1-key2-key3.html

free-porn-links.html :thumbsup freepornlinks.html :mad:

~Ray 07-07-2004 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
This answer shows you are way behind the times young man.
Expired domains page rank are all getting crunched by google at the moment.
The only question is ,for how long will they keep them at pr0?
I guess 12 months.

.com .net and .org are different when it comes to pr.

2 of them lose it quickly, 1 of them doesn't lose it very fast at all.

Weird? I know. :2 cents:

swami 07-07-2004 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I actually disagree with that. I have been able to pickup expired domains and upon acquisition they were reset to PR0. But within 1-2 updates I was able to keep most of the PR (usually dropped by 1 or 2 points but kept most of it). Unfortunately this means picking up a PR7 on expiration only meant getting a PR5 after 1-2 updates which was rather discouraging. Building a PR5 is much easier than the effort to try to get a PR7 expiring domain. But the case in point I'm trying to make was that if the backlinks more or less stay and the content you're targetting remains the same (ie: similiar theme as prior to the deletion) then I was able to keep the domain from being reset to 0 entirely.

WG

As i say you guys are behind the times.:)
Try it now.

WiredGuy 07-07-2004 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
As i say you guys are behind the times.:)
Try it now.

But like I said as well, the result of getting a domain would at best be a PR5-6, I can make one of these in one update so there's no point for me to get expired domains anymore...

WG

Reak 07-07-2004 05:11 PM

** shrugs and bookmarked this thread **

:Graucho

swami 07-07-2004 05:11 PM

:winkwink:

crockett 07-07-2004 05:21 PM

what the heck is up with yahoo sence it went away from being google powered? I used to have some nice traffic from search.yahoo.com several #1 positions but once they switched to their own system I lost it all and it still hasn't come back.

What the hell is yahoo looking for? I've got google covered but I can't seem to yahoo.

Groove 07-07-2004 05:29 PM

Does Google differentiate between internal and
external links? And if so, in what way?

StarkReality 07-07-2004 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
But like I said as well, the result of getting a domain would at best be a PR5-6, I can make one of these in one update so there's no point for me to get expired domains anymore...

WG

Right, but I think the main point in grabbing expired domains isn't PR, but the traffic these domain still gets...

Groove 07-07-2004 05:36 PM

In a previous post you made a distinction between "link lists" (bad) and "link indexes" (good). However in the adult world the two terms are often used interchangeably, eg link-o-rama.com could be refered to as a linklist or an index.

Could you please clarify the difference?

MasterBlogger 07-07-2004 05:40 PM

I have not done SEO for two years now.
Things change fast.

My question is ...

When you search for a specific domain ... lets say "ABC.com" do the top search engines link to that domain or present you other "options" ? They didn't used to for about 40% of cases.

WiredGuy 07-07-2004 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
Right, but I think the main point in grabbing expired domains isn't PR, but the traffic these domain still gets...
Really? Then I suppose the PR wouldn't be relevant if it was maintained or not if it was only type-in traffic they were after.

WG

nastyking 07-07-2004 05:50 PM

why are you doing this here? :Graucho

tyler86ed 07-07-2004 06:11 PM

I have a question. About 6 months ago I was ranked number one for a certian term on google. For demonstration purposes lets say the name of my company is BlueWebDesign. After buying BlueWebDesign.com and making a web site, It quickly became the number 1 spot (PR2,3) for type in traffic for the term/phrase "Blue Web Design". About 3 months ago my site dropped from the top spot to not even in the top 10 pages on google.

Now, my questions is, If my server was up, because it was, how could this happen. Was I banned? Keep in mind the site hadn't been changed in months and was a basic web design site/portfolio.

Right now, I've gained position to around the middle of the 2nd page for Blue Web Design (PR4). But having problems getting back to number 1, or even on the 1st page of results.

I've taken quite a hit because of this.

StarkReality 07-07-2004 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Really? Then I suppose the PR wouldn't be relevant if it was maintained or not if it was only type-in traffic they were after.

WG

I can only speak for myself, but the by far most interesting thing about an expired domain is the traffic still coming from TGPs, Linklists, etc. that didn't remove their links to the domain, even after the galleries, freesites, etc. are gone. Throw up a nice .htaccess and you got some little steady traffic for a few bucks a year, cheaper than any traffic broker.

On the other hand, if you can grab an expired domain that isn't blacklisted, you got two things at once: You get this traffic from old links, you may have some PR from them AND you can build more linkpop and PR by linking to it from your sites...so it's like a freshly registered domain with a little extra boost.

StarkReality 07-07-2004 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tyler86ed
I have a question. About 6 months ago I was ranked number one for a certian term on google. For demonstration purposes lets say the name of my company is BlueWebDesign. After buying BlueWebDesign.com and making a web site, It quickly became the number 1 spot (PR2,3) for type in traffic for the term/phrase "Blue Web Design". About 3 months ago my site dropped from the top spot to not even in the top 10 pages on google.

Now, my questions is, If my server was up, because it was, how could this happen. Was I banned? Keep in mind the site hadn't been changed in months and was a basic web design site/portfolio.

Right now, I've gained position to around the middle of the 2nd page for Blue Web Design (PR4). But having problems getting back to number 1, or even on the 1st page of results.

I've taken quite a hit because of this.

Google isn't static, rankings change alot, many reasons for this:
New pages added daily, new algos, new filters, new ranking criteria, it's all in a flow and never stays the same for long.

As you see from your ranking, PR isn't the key.

The best thing you can do atm is trying to get external links to your site, for best results from pages with the same subject. There are alot of business directories and stuff like this, look around a little, many will link to you without reciprocal. And try updating it more often, no need to change much, just make sure the filesize and date of the html file are different. More updates --> more freshbots visits --> a little ranking boost

tyler86ed 07-07-2004 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
Google isn't static, rankings change alot, many reasons for this:
New pages added daily, new algos, new filters, new ranking criteria, it's all in a flow and never stays the same for long.

As you see from your ranking, PR isn't the key.

The best thing you can do atm is trying to get external links to your site, for best results from pages with the same subject. There are alot of business directories and stuff like this, look around a little, many will link to you without reciprocal. And try updating it more often, no need to change much, just make sure the filesize and date of the html file are different. More updates --> more freshbots visits --> a little ranking boost

Thanks for the advice :thumbsup

swami 07-07-2004 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
This is true for the majority of domains, but some survive. It's easy to tell if google only deleted the backlinks, so once the domain is active again PR comes back or if the domain was blacklisted like most expired domains:

Go to google and enter domain.com as search term, you either see:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

BAD, domain burned

OR:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

GOOD, domain not burned

I don't want to be rude but you are out of your depth.:glugglug

WiredGuy 07-07-2004 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
I can only speak for myself, but the by far most interesting thing about an expired domain is the traffic still coming from TGPs, Linklists, etc. that didn't remove their links to the domain, even after the galleries, freesites, etc. are gone. Throw up a nice .htaccess and you got some little steady traffic for a few bucks a year, cheaper than any traffic broker.

On the other hand, if you can grab an expired domain that isn't blacklisted, you got two things at once: You get this traffic from old links, you may have some PR from them AND you can build more linkpop and PR by linking to it from your sites...so it's like a freshly registered domain with a little extra boost.


That's good, I personally wouldn't bother unless there was either tons of domains with constant traffic coming in each day or there was one or two domains with a lot of traffic.

WG

bdld 07-07-2004 08:18 PM

1. do search engines care if a site is a .com or a .biz ? is this irrelevant to their rankings?
2. is it a bad idea to interlink 20 domains? each is content-rich and different. but all 20 are linked to each other.
3. does "mykeyword1mykeyword2.com" have any preference over "mykeyword1--mykeyword2.com" ?
4. does google know penalize on alt text on small images ? (less than 5x5 pixels) or give more benefit to alt text on large images? or even more benefit on large hyperlinked images?

bdld 07-07-2004 08:50 PM

what other search engines besides google, yahoo, msn and altavista get traffic?

aflex 07-07-2004 08:56 PM

great thread :thumbsup

Maximillion 07-07-2004 09:08 PM

Another question for ya

What's the fastest you've started getting traffic to a domain after a fresh registration (registering the domain for the first time)

And what was the reason for the quick SE traffic?

WombRaider 07-07-2004 09:52 PM

What is the importance of 'link popularity' and how does that relate to SE rankings?

nap 07-07-2004 10:16 PM

Which is better

A) 7-10 pr3's
or
B) 1 pr 5-6?

Reason being I have just created my first pr3 and it only took me 2 months. Now I am stuck on if I should continue to do what I did with the first pr3 to create a network of pr3s and continue to update those (hoping they climb the ladder) or just start working on one main site until I can get that site to a high pr. My pr3 is pulling in search engine traffic but not the keywords that I optimized for.

Also

When you optimize a site for a certain keyword, do you make EVERY single page on the domain for that keyword or some variant of that keyword or do you you make each page on that domain relevant to the keyword that you are aiming for?

silverwolf 07-07-2004 11:59 PM

is there a basic cloaked network diagram?

thank you


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