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Corleone 05-01-2004 09:28 AM

Shocking pictures from iraq
 
its not enough that some american soldiers gone too far.

"A HOODED Iraqi captive is beaten by British soldiers before being thrown from a moving truck and left to die.

The prisoner, aged 18-20, begged for mercy as he was battered with rifle butts and batons in the head and groin, was kicked, stamped and urinated on, and had a gun barrel forced into his mouth.

After an EIGHT-HOUR ordeal, he was left barely conscious and close to death. Bleeding and vomiting and with a broken jaw and missing teeth, he was driven from a Basra camp and hurled off the truck. No one knows if he lived or died."

News

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mi...BFB6FA0000.jpg :mad:
"URINATED ON: A British soldier urinates on an Iraqi prisoner in a vile display of abuse. The captive was beaten and hurled from a moving truck. Army chiefs are investigating."

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mi...BFB6FA0000.jpg
"BUTT IN GROIN: A rifle is cruelly jabbed in the young man's groin as his eight-hour nightmare goes on"

i'd shot this bastards

body 05-01-2004 09:29 AM

Thats not funny, what the hell us people think they are?

nathan_f 05-01-2004 09:30 AM

disgusting.

BigFish 05-01-2004 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by body
Thats not funny, what the hell us people think they are?
In the incident above, they were British. Moron.

loverboy 05-01-2004 09:32 AM

this has just aggravated not only Iragi people but a schocking revelation to everyone :(

DVTimes 05-01-2004 09:33 AM

Blair condemns Iraq abuse photos

Tony Blair has condemned as "completely and totally unacceptable" pictures which appear to show the torture of an Iraqi prisoner by British soldiers.
If the pictures, published in the Daily Mirror, prove to be genuine Mr Blair said he would "condemn it utterly".

"We went to Iraq to get rid of that sort of thing, not to do it," he added.

But the PM said, if there had been any abuse it was "exceptional", and should not detract from the good work being done by UK armed forces in Iraq.

There were thousands of British troops doing a "brave and extraordinary job" to make life better for the Iraqi people.

Investigation

Earlier Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram agreed the pictures were "appalling" if they were genuine.

They "besmirch the good name of the armed forces," he said.

Military police are conducting an investigation into the photos which appear to show a soldier using violence and urinating on a captive.

Mr Ingram said this investigation had to be given time.

Pictures showing American troops humiliating Iraqi prisoners, with a hooded and naked prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his genitals, also generated outrage earlier this week.

US President George W Bush vowed that those responsible would be "taken care of".

Mr Ingram said there was no "culture of abuse" in the British Army despite the fact that five separate inquiries into maltreatment are under way.

He admitted: "If these allegations are true, they are appalling, they are despicable and there can be no justification for them at all."

And he said the inquiry by the Royal Military Police's Special Investigations Branch would "not leave any stone unturned".

Those who are opposed to the coalition's occupation of Iraq would employ "full exploitation of these incidents", Mr Ingram said.

Unnamed captive

The Mirror says the pictures were handed over by British soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment who claimed a rogue element in the British army was responsible for abusing prisoners and civilians.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the soldiers told the paper no charges were brought against the unnamed captive.

They allege that during his eight-hour ordeal he was threatened with execution, his jaw broken and his teeth smashed.
After being beaten and urinated on, he was driven away and dumped from the back of a moving vehicle, the soldiers claimed, unaware if he was dead.

The reason for making the photos public was, they said, to show why the US-UK coalition was encountering such fierce resistance in Iraq.

One told the paper: "We are not helping ourselves out there. We are never going to get them on our side. We are fighting a losing war."

Army spokesman Roger Goodwin, on behalf of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment, said there was "clearly some form of link to the regiment".

"But the precise form of that link, including whether the soldiers involved in the alleged atrocities were members of the QLR, needs to be established.

He added: "There is no place in our regiment for individuals capable of such appalling and sickening behaviour.

"The sooner they are exposed and ejected from the regiment, the better."

The regimental secretary, retired Lt Col John Downham, said: "We are furious that these people, whoever they turn out to be, have already besmirched our hard-earned good name and let down the many hundreds of QLR soldiers whose outstandingly successful tour in Basra was recognised by no fewer than 21 honours and awards."

In a press conference, Sir Mike Jackson, Chief of General Staff, said: "If proven, the perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform and they have besmirched the Army's good name and conduct."

Ahmed al-Sheik, editor-in-chief of Arab TV news channel, said the photographs would outrage Arabs around the world.

"These scenes are humiliating not only to the Iraqis, but to every Arab citizen around the world," he told BBC Two's Newsnight.

Meanwhile former foreign secretary Lord Hurd said the situation in Iraq was in danger of spiralling out of control.

"In Iraq we're in a nosedive. Things are happening which were entirely predictable and predicted.

"An army of liberation, particularly a British/American one, turns within hours into an army of occupation."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3675723.stm

Corleone 05-01-2004 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFish
In the incident above, they were British. Moron.
the americans arent better dude! :feels-hot some pics from yesterdays news :

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200404/5239920_1.jpg
http://www.n-tv.de/images/200404/5239920_6.jpg

maybe you missed it or bush tv didnt send that

johndoebob 05-01-2004 09:35 AM

That's war,never clean,always cruel and I wouldn't say soldiers are the most intelligent people.Which normal thinking guys and gals would go into a country and start a war whithout a real reason.I don't say that saddam is a nice guy but the country was already so down they couldn't have attacked anybody. :2 cents:

BigFish 05-01-2004 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corleone
the americans arent better dude! :feels-hot some pics from yesterdays news :

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200404/5239920_1.jpg
http://www.n-tv.de/images/200404/5239920_6.jpg

maybe you missed it or bush tv didnt send that

Where did I say they were better? Answer that stupid shit. I was responding to the idiot who was referring to the pictures originally and said U.S.

E.Kant 05-01-2004 09:41 AM

I think it is propaganda as well from the iraqi side as from the us side ... I dont believe what the media is telling us about situations that might have happened there and there ...

but its cruel anyway .. nobody should be treaten like this..

But the problem is not that US guys are doing this .. the tragedy is that HUMAN are doing this .. no matter if they are us or iraqi ..

KRL 05-01-2004 09:46 AM

It's war people. Its vicious and cruel. Nothing pretty ever.

US Torture? Come on and get real. Every country in the world with an Intelligence Agency has torture facilities. You're nieve if you think otherwise.

Torture unfortunately is another one of those necessary evils that some countries practice blatantly and some deny it but do it discreetly. But usually the only way to extract cooperation and information from the enemy is with some degree of brutality.

kmanrox 05-01-2004 09:48 AM

War happens.

Suck it you fuckin panzies.

Paul Markham 05-01-2004 09:49 AM

The whole Iraq thing is turning into a shit sandwich.

theking 05-01-2004 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
The whole Iraq thing is turning into a shit sandwich.
You should know alot about "shit" clueless...because you are a lying piece of shit.

dirtyone 05-01-2004 09:54 AM

Goddamn Americans!

Vitasoy 05-01-2004 09:54 AM

Disturbing pics indeed, but I've seen worse.

Roger 05-01-2004 10:01 AM

No wonder. They where interviewing a guy from the Iraqi resistance a few weeks ago and he said that at first he liked the US. I don't remember the exact story but I believe he was taking a cab and it appears that US forces pay like $500 to anyone who brings a member of the Baath party. So the cab driver, short on money gave that man up to the US authorities even though he didn't have anything to do with the Baath party. He was released within a few weeks but he said that he was treated like shit and from then on he swore to fight against US forces.

Roger 05-01-2004 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vitasoy
Disturbing pics indeed, but I've seen worse.
What's worse than getting urinated on?

DR_PHIL 05-01-2004 10:02 AM

fuck them..wheres the photos of the female POWs being raped at the beginning of the war?

sltr 05-01-2004 10:03 AM

obviously being in the battlezone causes people to do things they would probably not otherwise do.

kmanrox 05-01-2004 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger
What's worse than getting urinated on?
having a glass rod stuck in your penis hole and then shattered?

PiksalDesign 05-01-2004 10:04 AM

I know nothing about it, but what if this prisoner was shooting at you and trying to kill you, wouldnt you beat the fuck out of him?

Roger 05-01-2004 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sltr
obviously being in the battlezone causes people to do things they would probably not otherwise do.
Yeah, some people go nuts, can't handle the war. Shouldn't be in the army to begin with.

PiksalDesign 05-01-2004 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
having a glass rod stuck in your penis hole and then shattered?
wow.... good answer *ouch*

Roger 05-01-2004 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
having a glass rod stuck in your penis hole and then shattered?
okay then :)

Manowar 05-01-2004 10:08 AM

will just be used by terrorists as propaganda that all british and the US are barbaric animals and ensue more terrorist attacks

kmanrox 05-01-2004 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PiksalDesign
wow.... good answer *ouch*
that's just off the top of my head.... imagine if it was my job to think of torture scenarios what could be came up with?

-- CPL K-Man, USMC (Veteran)

Roger 05-01-2004 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
will just be used by terrorists as propaganda that all british and the US are barbaric animals and ensue more terrorist attacks
They did invade and occupy Iraq, that alone is good propaganda material for the terrorists.

Rictor 05-01-2004 10:20 AM

I say kill them, don't torture them.

AbulletAway 05-01-2004 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corleone
its not enough that some american soldiers gone too far.

"A HOODED Iraqi captive is beaten by British soldiers before being thrown from a moving truck and left to die.

The prisoner, aged 18-20, begged for mercy as he was battered with rifle butts and batons in the head and groin, was kicked, stamped and urinated on, and had a gun barrel forced into his mouth.

After an EIGHT-HOUR ordeal, he was left barely conscious and close to death. Bleeding and vomiting and with a broken jaw and missing teeth, he was driven from a Basra camp and hurled off the truck. No one knows if he lived or died."

News

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mi...BFB6FA0000.jpg :mad:
"URINATED ON: A British soldier urinates on an Iraqi prisoner in a vile display of abuse. The captive was beaten and hurled from a moving truck. Army chiefs are investigating."

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mi...BFB6FA0000.jpg
"BUTT IN GROIN: A rifle is cruelly jabbed in the young man's groin as his eight-hour nightmare goes on"

i'd shot this bastards


Ya the guy being pissed on was probably completely innocent too. I'm sure if it was your wife, husband, son, daughter or best friend that the guy had just killed you would have treated the prisoner with more respect.

I find it amazing how shallow morons such as yourself can so easily just see things from one perspective. What these soldiers may have done (I say may have done because there has been no actual proof yet) is completely wrong. But war is not an easy thing and sometimes when faced the most horrible of things day in and day out you can crack, overreact and just plain let your emotions get away with you.

It must be easy for people like you to sit back and criticize the troops as soon as they may have slipped up. I'm not saying that if it's true what these soldiers did than its ok. But I would like to know if is true than why did they do it. I have no doubt if someone as shallow and fucking stupid as you were stuck over there living the hell these soldiers see on daily basis you would be one of the first to crack and it would be dumbass mug we'd be looking at in these photos pissing on or otherwise abusing someone.

And to be quite honest if some one killed my best friend, a family member or just someone I cared about, if I caught the fucker I'd piss on him too. Doesn't make it right but I'd pissing on him with a smile on my face.

So maybe you could try to have at least an ounce of understanding as to what these people are going though. These soldiers are fighting an enemy with no moral value. They attack and kill civilians without any regard or remorse and have tortured every fucking soldier and civilian caught. But a few soldiers happen to lose it and slip up and now it's all about look at how bad the troops are? Fuck you, you ignorant shallow fucktard.

bizmak 05-01-2004 10:22 AM

disgusting indeed.

TheFrog 05-01-2004 10:23 AM

thats fucked up

dirtyone 05-01-2004 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AbulletAwayGoneBad
Ya the guy being pissed on was probably completely innocent too. I'm sure if it was your wife, husband, son, daughter or best friend that the guy had just killed you would have treated the prisoner with more respect.

I find it amazing how shallow morons such as yourself can so easily just see things from one perspective. What these soldiers may have done (I say may have done because there has been no actual proof yet) is completely wrong. But war is not an easy thing and sometimes when faced the most horrible of things day in and day out you can crack, overreact and just plain let your emotions get away with you.

It must be easy for people like you to sit back and criticize the troops as soon as they may have slipped up. I'm not saying that if it's true what these soldiers did than its ok. But I would like to know if is true than why did they do it. I have no doubt if someone as shallow and fucking stupid as you were stuck over there living the hell these soldiers see on daily basis you would be one of the first to crack and it would be dumbass mug we'd be looking at in these photos pissing on or otherwise abusing someone.

And to be quite honest if some one killed my best friend, a family member or just someone I cared about, if I caught the fucker I'd piss on him too. Doesn't make it right but I'd pissing on him with a smile on my face.

So maybe you could try to have at least an ounce of understanding as to what these people are going though. These soldiers are fighting an enemy with no moral value. They attack and kill civilians without any regard or remorse and have tortured every fucking soldier and civilian caught. But a few soldiers happen to lose it and slip up and now it's all about look at how bad the troops are? Fuck you, you ignorant shallow fucktard.


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AbulletAway 05-01-2004 10:27 AM

The page is a 404

Roger 05-01-2004 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corleone
the americans arent better dude! :feels-hot some pics from yesterdays news :

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200404/5239920_1.jpg
http://www.n-tv.de/images/200404/5239920_6.jpg

maybe you missed it or bush tv didnt send that

CBS had those pics long ago but the Pentagon had ordered them not to show the photos but when those pics got in the hands of the international media, they decided to finally show them.

Corleone 05-01-2004 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AbulletAwayGoneBad
Ya the guy being pissed on was probably completely innocent too. I'm sure if it was your wife, husband, son, daughter or best friend that the guy had just killed you would have treated the prisoner with more respect.

I find it amazing how shallow morons such as yourself can so easily just see things from one perspective. What these soldiers may have done (I say may have done because there has been no actual proof yet) is completely wrong. But war is not an easy thing and sometimes when faced the most horrible of things day in and day out you can crack, overreact and just plain let your emotions get away with you.

It must be easy for people like you to sit back and criticize the troops as soon as they may have slipped up. I'm not saying that if it's true what these soldiers did than its ok. But I would like to know if is true than why did they do it. I have no doubt if someone as shallow and fucking stupid as you were stuck over there living the hell these soldiers see on daily basis you would be one of the first to crack and it would be dumbass mug we'd be looking at in these photos pissing on or otherwise abusing someone.

And to be quite honest if some one killed my best friend, a family member or just someone I cared about, if I caught the fucker I'd piss on him too. Doesn't make it right but I'd pissing on him with a smile on my face.

So maybe you could try to have at least an ounce of understanding as to what these people are going though. These soldiers are fighting an enemy with no moral value. They attack and kill civilians without any regard or remorse and have tortured every fucking soldier and civilian caught. But a few soldiers happen to lose it and slip up and now it's all about look at how bad the troops are? Fuck you, you ignorant shallow fucktard.

k ... US generals confirmed it ( you belive them or? )
Tony Blair confirmed it too.

so you think this guy killed a family member of the soldier? he came over to britain and killed the soldiers kids .. thats sounds funny for me coz iraq never attacked the US or Britain.

they attack civilians and kids . k that might be true.. but the americans / british troops arent better.

they wanted to liberate them and bring them civilisation and democraty ( official. the real reason was oil btw)
but they act like drunken jerks

cosis 05-01-2004 10:37 AM

Lighten up jeez

AbulletAway 05-01-2004 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corleone
k ... US generals confirmed it ( you belive them or? )
Tony Blair confirmed it too.

so you think this guy killed a family member of the soldier? he came over to britain and killed the soldiers kids .. thats sounds funny for me coz iraq never attacked the US or Britain.

they attack civilians and kids . k that might be true.. but the americans / british troops arent better.

they wanted to liberate them and bring them civilisation and democraty ( official. the real reason was oil btw)
but they act like drunken jerks

Oh God you're one of those people who think it was about oil? That explains a lot. Hmm? Where is all this oil? Oh wait maybe it was about WMD's? It had nothing to do with either. It had to do with UN Resolutions being ignored. WMD's were just a tool used to get the stupid and shallow on board. And oil? That's just an excuse liberals keep using because they have nothing else to go on.

And more allied troops every day trying not to cause harm to the civilians. Where as the savages they are defending themselves from hide behind them and kill them and kill them.

I will agree that the troops shouldn't be there. I will go as far as to say that they should have never gone over there. The Middle East is a waste of time and just filled with people who haven't been able to get along in over 2000 years. And for any leader to think that he can make a difference with these people is simply naive.

But they are they, and they doing the best job they can do against an enemy that is ruthless.

theking 05-01-2004 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger
CBS had those pics long ago but the Pentagon had ordered them not to show the photos but when those pics got in the hands of the international media, they decided to finally show them.
Asked...not "ordered".

AbulletAway 05-01-2004 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cosis
Lighten up jeez
You're right, I just get tired of day in and day out listening to the whiney fucking 13 year olds and here play monday morning quarterback from their PC as if they could do any better. This onesided and shallow thinking just offends me.

I keep forgetting that arguing on GFY is like trying to explain geometry to a five year old.

Roger 05-01-2004 10:48 AM

So, where are the nuke Britain posts? I remember quite a lot of nuke Iraq posts when some Iraqis burned dead bodies of US mercenaries.

Corleone 05-01-2004 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AbulletAwayGoneBad
Oh God you're one of those people who think it was about oil? That explains a lot. Hmm? Where is all this oil? Oh wait maybe it was about WMD's? It had nothing to do with either. It had to do with UN Resolutions being ignored. WMD's were just a tool used to get the stupid and shallow on board. And oil? That's just an excuse liberals keep using because they have nothing else to go on.
...

Ah the UNS resolutions been ignored.. thats the reason the UN was against the war? :Graucho sounds funny too..

WMDs? what WMDS? you meant the wmds they're trying to find for over 1 year now? with super mad satelites. super duper helicopters. the best army.. the special forces that all can't find Wmds because thy dont exists?

Oil Power.. thats the reason.. Money Money Money... :2 cents:

theking 05-01-2004 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AbulletAwayGoneBad
You're right, I just get tired of day in and day out listening to the whiney fucking 13 year olds and here play monday morning quarterback from their PC as if they could do any better. This onesided and shallow thinking just offends me.
It is irritating. :thumbsup

Corleone 05-01-2004 10:58 AM

this world is sick:mad:

KRL 05-01-2004 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roger
What's worse than getting urinated on?
A family friend served in Vietnam and was a POW. He said the North Vietnamese would really fuck up the Americans hardcore.

The worse thing was this betting game they played. They would pour honey on the soldiers heads with their hands tied behind their backs. Then tie a big burlap sack over their heads and tie it tight at the neck. Then they'd drop in huge rats that hadn't been fed for a while down the bag from the top and tie that end.

So the rats would start eating the guys head. The only way to stop it was by the soldiers banging their heads on the ground to try and smush the rats to death with their faces which would make the rats bite them even harder.

He said a lot of the fellow POW's were so fucked up when they got out they'd just commit suicide.

Firehorse 05-01-2004 11:03 AM

It will better for all when the fighting eventually stops! :2 cents:

alias 05-01-2004 11:07 AM

I want to join the army now! :ak47: :thumbsup

Tuna 05-01-2004 11:11 AM

pretty fucked up

eiht_98 05-01-2004 11:15 AM

We all know that things like these should not happen. But I'm pretty sure that any GFY member in war who just witnessed the killing of a friend or anyone else close would wait for the right moment for revenge. Probably these soldiers are doing the same thing. Remember: it is a war not a holiday.

bllott 05-01-2004 11:18 AM

that's some fucked up shit :mad:


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