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There has been a large uproar in my town lately about "vicous breeds" of dogs - I own a 2 year old Rottweiler and he is the biggest suck in the world - it took a lot of work to train him but he is very good with my elderly father ( who baby sits him during the day) as well as my nieces and nephews. I am worried because of all the bad owners out there that I will one day have to get rid of my pet - Could they pass a law banning breeds? is there any towns in North America who have?

I dont know about American law
but in some parts of australia some varieties of "vicious/dangerous dog" are banned.

same in denmark - for instance the english pitbull terrier is illegal here

I bought a loaf of collie the other day, got jailed ;/

on a serious note, even in Britain the "Dangerous Dog" act forced owners to muzzle their pets in public, non-compliance would mean your dog would get taken from you, possibly killed?
They only banned one breed to my memory, a japanese attack dog, even then the one that was in the country had to be neutered.

It's unlikely they will ban types of dogs, most likely muzzle enforcement first?

No muzzles in denmark - just banning :(

Okay- I do believe I am probably the most qualified person to answer this question since I am the owner of Dangerous Dogs and have spent thousands of dollars on this very issue.


Fisrt of all, let me make this clear: If you love your dog, you will do whatever it takes to keep him as a member of your family, even if it means going to jail, leaving the state, or living with compliance issues that go along with owning a dangerous dog. You take hits for family and you don't just give up on your family because they all of the sudden become high maintainence. So get that idea out of your head about hoping that you don't have to get rid of your dog. Where's your fuckin' loyalty man? Do whatever it takes to take care of your animal. He loves you unconditionally, you should do the same.
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I don't know of any states that ban breeds. However if you're dog bites someone regardless of their breed, the victim has the right to press charges and request that your animal be evaluated as a Dangerous Animal whether that animal is a Pitbull, a Rotweiler, a Poodle or in my case, a Boxer-Labrador mix. Once your animal is declared dangerous, Animal Control will set forth complaince issues that you are required by law to comply with and in Arizona law, non-compliance results in mandatory jail time- 10 days for each non compliance issue. In my case, my dogs had to be tattooed, neutured, and registered as Dangerous Animals. I had to carry special insurance that covered dog bites and dangerous animals. I had to construct a metal reinforced containment area. In my case, that meant reinforcing my back yard with metal over the already fenced in area. My animals are suppossed to be muzzled any time they are outside of their yard. They can not be in any other yard or area without their muzzles and of course, leashed. I had to keep metal signs posted on my front door and on their backyard that read" WARNING! DANGEROUS ANIMAL ON PREMISE. REMOVAL OF THIS SIGN WILL RESULT IN PROSECUTION BY PIMA COUNTY"

And as a dangerous animal owner, you are not allowed to sell, give away or bury your animal ( if and when he passes away)without an inspection from Animal Contol or their permission. If you leave the state, you need to contact animal control and inform them where you are moving to, so they can notify the state in which you are relocating to, that you are bringing dangerous animals into their county.

Fun stuff, eh?

In your case with your Rotweiler, no one is going to be knocking on your door and demanding you hand over your dog without prior warning. Not unless he bites someone do you have to be concerned. Once he does, prepare to go jump through hoops, and to spend some $$$. The sad truth is that most people don't want to put all the effort into being a dangerous dog owner. It's risky because the compliance issues are strict and enforcable with jail time, no ifs and or buts about it. A judges hands are simply tied. But again, no one is going to knock at your front door deamnding that you hand over your dog just because he is a Rottie. YOu have to be become part of the system first before Animal Control Officers start knocking on your door. And once they do knock on your door, you can always hid your dogs in the back room and have your roommate say, "Hey-they don't live here anymore. They are missionaries in Africa indefinately."

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Seriously, just get yourself a lawyer if someone ever give you shit about your animal. You might end up doing some jail time. I reccommend Pasedena, if that ever happens and it won't be for long, just a day, if you've got a good lawyer. :1orglaugh

So-just get used to having to be concerned about doggie doctors, doggie insurance and doggie lawyers and you'll be fine.

They're so worth it. Truth is, most of the animals I know behave better than most humans I know.

Support your dog and do whatever it takes, man. :thumbsup

That's awesome advise - thank you - He hasn't bit anybody - but you never know - I was having a BBQ this weekend with my dog tied out on the front porch and some kids were playing next door- one kid decided to sneek up and suprise my dog on my property - thankfully my pup was tied up and started barking before the kid got to close - now if my dog bit that kid whose fault would it be? - He is trespassing on my property which clearly has beware of dog signs posted.

That's a tough one. I've heard cases of this before and in Arizona, you will have to deal with some shit but in the end, the laws are in your favor. If someone crosses into your property and your dog bites him, it's ultimately on their heads. This same thing happended to my vet in AZ, only a dog jumped into his yard and his dog killed it. Ultimately, he won the case but a case, none the less was brought against him. His dog wasn't taken away from him but he did have to fight it. Every state is different. I would recommend that you contact both the Police and Animal Control and ask them about that scenario. Find out how they would respond to that type of situation if it were to arise and then take your precautions. I would go over to my neighbors house and send a warning, "Look don't ever let your kids cross into my yard for any reason, even if it's to get a ball that they threw over my fence. I have a dog that would react to that sort of intrusion unpleasantly." And then make it known to them that they have been warned, without completely freaking them out. You don't want your neighbors to think you have a tasmanian devil at your house but you do want them to know you take your role as pet owner very seriously. :winkwink:

Somehow try to record that you warned the parents whether you record the conversation or tape it. It sounds fucking paranoid, I know but I have been throught way too much shit with my animals to not cover my ass and I would hate to see any loved animal go throught the same BS that me and my dogs went through. Ultimately, you want to protect your pet from ever being impounded or the receipient of a dangeruos animal labeling, coz believe me honey, it's STRESS! And you're sweet sweet rottie should be able to enjoy his yard freely without leashes or any annoyances from the neighbor kids. PROTECT THE FAMILY!

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"he is the biggest suck in the world"

What the hell are you meaning ?

Rotweilers etc should be banned, period.
The dog may be trained but there is still a 3% risk that he wil attack and kill your dad or little child.

Great post Lisa, I have a blue pitbull and he is a sweet heart. I would do anything to save him and keep him in my family!

That is some fucked up shit to say, almost as fucked up as saying, "all pornographers should be arressted because 3% of them will promote child pornography."


WTF?

Dood-loose your stats. They don't fucking matter in this world.

Love rules and a dog responds to love more than a statistic.

i own a pitbull. i live in detroit, but a city right next to detroit that im close to has pitbulls banned. as well as several other cities in michigan. mainly because of dog fighting problems. it really sucks that some idiot dog owners can ruin it for other people can ruin it for responsible dog owners. but thats what kind of people dog breeds like pitbulls on rotts attract for the most part.

in lots of countries they are banned or "Restricted". This is not a freedom issue...or would you also keep a lion in your house because he was trained in a circus before and is very friendly?

thats like saying that you're 10x more likely to get robbed by a young guy than an older guy. fuck lets ban all young guys from existance!!! that will solve that problem.

I am also the owner of a rednose pitt....best dog in the world....kids play with it use it for a pillow..whatever...not a nastybone in its body......unless you are trying to enter my house without permission.

BUT...try and get homeowners insurance or neighbors that will give the dog a chance based on its temperament....not going to happen.

thanks to the news for that...bet when a shepherd attacks someone it does not make the 6 o'clock news......but a pitt?

it will be on the news every hour.

It is your fault. The dog is an attractive nuisance and you have to expect that kids will come into the yard to see it. It's your problem. Now if the kid was robbing your house, that would be a different story although he could probably still sue you as stupid as that is.

Thanks Doll. :thumbsup

It's good to see so many concerned dog owners out there, especially pit bull owners. They are one of the most intelligent breeds out there and fiercely loyal. Unfortunately, the sub-moronic ego maniacs of the underworld also realize this and use them to fight for this very reason. And somehow, it's the dog that ends up with the bad reputation????


I used to rescue pitbulls who were being used in fightclubs. I swear, I almost became one of those vigilante citizens that you see on TV, who ends up taking matters into their own hands and plays the role of GODS VENEGANCE with amo and guns..

Like I said, never met a dog I didn't like but humans, ahhh, I've met many of those creatures. :1orglaugh

Actually, I agree with this. I think pit bulls should be banned as well. Not because the dogs did anything wrong, but because 99% of the owners suck.

Just across the alley from us some white trash piece of shit has a rottweiler tied up in a kennel. He's tied up because he can jump the fence. If you walk down the alley, the fucker goes apeshit. It is only a matter of time before he breaks that chain and literally kills someone. Repeat this scene a million times across the US and you have a serious problem. It's no different than someone sitting on the porch aiming a loaded gun at you.

It's clear to me that you are not a lawyer.

You don't have to be robbing someone's house to be tresspassing. Signs are posted. In Arizona, someone trespasses on your property whether their intentions are to rob your house, or just throw rocks at your dog, it's still against the law and carries felony charges.


How do I know???? I've been there. I've pressed charges against people for coming onto my property without an invitation. :2 cents:

Hate to tell you this but if a 5 year old wanders into someone's yard to look at the dog, he is not going to be charged with a felony. If that dog attacks him, the owner of that dog will be held accountable.

Unfortunately, this is true.
(in florida at least)

Of course, nothing will be said about the asshole parents letting their children wander all over...

Weren't you ever a kid? Didn't you ever cut through a yard or take a shortcut down a strange alley? Should that mean a death sentence? I don't think so.

Again...sounds like a people problem to me, not a canine one.

What about the sweet sweet rottie that is raised by the loving all american family that lives across the street from me? The one where the dog is kept indoors and sleeps on the bed with the owners, the one where they take the rottie with them on vacations, to outings, the one where the rottie is clearly a part of their family?????

AGain, fucked up people will fuck anything up, whether it's a rottie, a car, a child, a lawn, I mean I bet their whole place reeks of white trash bullshit. If that dog was a poodle, instead of a rott, he'd still be mean as hell because of the envoirment he has been subjected to. You, my freind, are obviously not a large dog owner. Sounds like you're believing the sterotype.

Hey-why don't you do us all a favor and contact Animal Control about your unfit neighbors? Why don't you get the neighborhood involved and contact animal rescue groups to put pressure on these morons??

Coz that just takes too much damn work doesn't it? It's so much easier to point the finger, generalize and bitch about things than to actually get off your ass and do something about it, isn't it?

Are you part of the pollution or part of the solution?

No-but the parents will be held accountable for negligence, especially since there were signs and especially since they were warned.


If anything, he could get sued in a civil case, but it would not be a criminal case.

Hate to tell me what now-that you didn't consult with your lawyer before you gave me your advice?? :1orglaugh

Not trying to bust your balls dood-you're just dealing with an expert who has lawyers for her dogs.

What kind of logic is that?

Dood-I've been picked up by the police as a KID for jumping fences to swim in a pool afterhours in my own townhouse complex.

Just becuase you're a kid doesn't give you the right to break laws? Shiiiiiitt...juvenile lock up exists for a reason.

I was under the impression that polish_aristocrat was being sarcastic but perhaps I am mistaken. Lets not be so close minded.

I own two rotts and they are VERY pleasant dogs. I have no problems leaving them alone with a young child if I had to. I spent a TON of time with them.

ANY dog can be a bad dog. Just because a Rott looks mean in the movies or is the choice of your local dirt bag doesnt mean shit. Male french poodles are more aggressive and dominant than a rott. Who the fuck is going to tell me what breed to own based on impressions from the media or a few bad dog owners.

Spend some time with a person that owns rotts that are loved and cared for and you will have a different impression of them.

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I am very often sarcastic at this board, but not this time.

The thing is, I like dogs. I've always had dogs and even some large breeds. But I've never had a dog that could be considered mean and I've never had a dog that would bite anyone for any reason whatsoever.

But some dogs are vicious by nature and the dog across the alley from us is one of those dogs.

Ok in that case I was bit by a St. Bernard once. I think the breed should be banned as well. Big fuckers that can turn on you and rip your head off on a dime.

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Friendliest dog, towards people, I've EVER had.

Would probably kill another animal at first chance though.

If you love your large dogs, you'll take great pains to ENSURE they NEVER get out on their own. Even the friendliest dog can be scared, and may act to "deffend" themselves from any percieved threats.

I understand where you are coming from. My point is the breed doesnt matter. I do understand certain breeds are chosen by some bad owners but thats not always the case.

My rotts are constantly attacked by a little corgie across the way. He busts through his electric fence when my boys are on there leads with me and literaly attacks them. Grabs them by the neck etc. My dogs are disciplined enough to shake him off and not bite back although they get mighty pissed. I hate Corgies now because of it.. or do I.. perhaps I hate the owners of the Corgie.

Yes, it is true that any dog can get mean. The difference though is that not every dog can kill you. I'm quite certain that death by poodle is fairly rare (and one of the gayest ways to die).

Thank you to all of you who responded - It's good to know there are alot of responsible dog owners and dog lovers out there. For those of you who believe a particular breed should be banned -I really believe that you people should get to know a breed before you speak negatively about them - it is ignorance similar to this that breeds hate groups like the KKK - just my :2 cents:

I hate getting into such discussions here, since I always want to have the final word and today i don't have time for this debate :/

Anyway, fact is that some dog braeds and definitely more agressive than others. In the US you cannot monitor properly terrorist who are trying to hijack planes and you also cannot monitor exactly what kind of perons will get those dogs.
It will surely happen that a bad or irresponsible person will get such dog and that will lead to a tradegy like it often happens. Or even a normal person can have such dog and the dog can be trained, but still everyone - also a dog can go crazy. You can go to your friends birthday party, take your kid, the kids can play in their room, the dog can walk there by mistake, one kid can iritate him and the dog will kill all 3 kids within 4 mnutes.
Yeah, i know, this can happen with many breads of dogs, but from what I know, with breeds like pitbull, rotweiler etc, the risk is significantly higher.

yeah, i know, i still didn't convince you.
But i don;t wish you that it happens with your kids :winkwink:

EOT here anyway

lmao!!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Poodles ain't nothin' to fuck with.

lmao!!!

Poodles ain't nothin' to fuck with.

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Blah blah blah.

Bad people can get ahold of alcohol. They can get drunk with it, and run over my children. As this is the case, we should ban booze completely.

Bad people can buy matches and gasoline. With these items they can make simple, yet effective flaming bombs. This could hurt any of us, and therefore we must not allow these items to exit.

Bad people can buy cars, not pay attention driving them, and hit my grandmother on her way to church. Ban these horrible items!

As you see .. Taking things away from RESPONSIBLE people, because people CAN be irresponsible with them is ridiculous.

In Canada, we have to register all our guns. If someone wanted to consider my rottweilers that dangerous, I would gladly register that I own them. I know where they are at all times, and I know they are going to get the OPPORTUNITY to hurt anybody.

this is a very silly comment.

you cannot compare the two, simple as that.

ferrets dont kill, but they are banned places.

Actually, yes, yes, I would. A friend of mine used to raise lions, tigers and juaguars and kept them in his house as pets. Such sweet, sweet beasts..



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here in Texas my friend whom is a vet tech had to assist in destroying and sawing two dogs heads off to send to austin for rabies tests, at the insistence of the people who were bit,
lawyers might help in CA, but in places with high cases of Rabies your dogs head would be in a cooler to Austin before they could even file a motion.

I second that! If you want a dog just get a "normal" pet and not something that was bread to fight or kill. I have 2 dogs BTW.

Learn what you're talking about. Rottweilers are working dogs, not bread to fight and kill. My dogs are as gentle as any other breed.

Actually if you were to do some research - Rottweilers were bread as cattle herders - he was then mostly used as a police dog - so it would be wise to do a little research before making an uneducated comment - here's a history lesson

http://www.rottclub.ca/rottbegin.html

GigaLisa

Out of curiosity, what were the circumstances that your dog bit someone?

Just so you know... MOST states/cities/counties etc have public access laws governing the access to your front door. Dog on porch = trouble if it bites someone whether or not they 'tresspassed'.
Fenced in back yards are usually less trouble if someone gets bitten, unless its the utility reader and you didn't notify them to not enter without you being present. ;-)

Police may or may not know this kind of law... check with your zoning commission. THEY usually control those laws.

Some of the friendliest breeds of dogs have been known to attack.. So that would give them a percentage as well..

Circumstances have to be considered when establishing a percentage..

A chihuahua could be considered viscious... Those little ankle biting bastards could do harm to an infant...

So where does one draw the "viscious" line??

yes.

but not all arsonists are bad people.

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