EpicCash vs. Acacia
 

You know you can monday morning quarterback Trey's decision all you want. But I ask you were you in on the talks that EpicCash had with thier lawyers? And why out of the whole list did Epiccash get picked out for a 10 page flame thread?

Would you rather trey climbed up more legal bills and had to start shaving affiliates to fight? The companies that are fighting with IMPA are well established companies, while epiccash is a fairly new company still trying to put together a good base capital.

Remember what happened to scores-cash with this whole acacia deal? With epiccash climbing to be my number one sponsor I would hate for this to happen. Trey made a decision that although I don't agree with I can see it was the best decision for his company. Trey's gamble is the patent will be overturned next month, thus he would only have to pay for it a few months.

I believe if I was sitting in Treys shoes and had the choice of bankrupting my company in legal fee's or settling and only paying a few months of license fee's I would have done the same thing. I notice it's not the big companies that are fighting acacia thats bashing Trey's decision. Maybe because they know what the legal fee's are costing them?

I have known Trey for a few years now. I know how much this guy likes to fight. If Trey thought he was able to hold the fight longer I know for a fact that he would have. I'm sure that Trey only settled when it was time to settle. You can hold what judgement you want against Trey but I for one know how Trey likes to push everything right to the limit, therefore I can only conclude that time was up for epiccash and if he didn't settle they were going to shut him down.

I come to these conclusions from being a server admin who's job it was to keep Trey on the straight and narrow when it came to the server he rented from the company I was employeed by. I have first hand knowledge of the amount of fight in Trey. Think about it, he's probably one of the most controversial names on the boards but yet he has big companies endorsing his program now. Companies that have stated in the past that they would never do a dimes worth of business with Trey ever. So if you believe Trey just crumbled without a good fight then please pull his links and move on. But if you believe what I have said I believe you should take Trey up on his offer and start sending him traffic, watch the conversions, and allow him to donate money to the IMPA in your name.

This is only my :2 cents:

stop kissing Trey's ass, its pathetic.

He has a right to do whatever he wants, but the bankrupt thing is B.S. I believe it costs $35k up front to get into the defense group. Gallery posters can pay $35k.

First off I'm not an ass kisser ... if you've ever done business with me you'd know that.

Second off all of Trey's people are sleeping right now and didn't know I made this post yet.

I am simply stating my thoughts.

So you are Trey's bookkeeper?

Cool good to know that I'll come to you the next time I need to make a deal on traffic / payouts.

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Are you Trey's bitch?

And his name is Pimpdog around here.

Well, I'm sure had he decided to fight and come on the board and said so, I'm sure many webmasters would have been glad to sign up and promote him to support him in fighting accaia. I know I sure as hell would.

No I'm not his bitch and if your going to point out the details it would be p1mpdog. But thanks for pointing that out.

i believe some people understand/empathize his/their situation. i also wonder why they are being singled out. seems like a personal pissing match i guess.

but the bottom line is - nothing against the company or their decisions as i dont know any of them from a hole in the wall - some webmasters are not going to promote programs that are, albeit indirectly, giving money to extorcia.

True but the way I know Trey (p1mpdog for Mr Thumbs) I know Trey is very proud of what he accomplished in this business and in his life and he doesn't pull things like this to the board.

So I can only guess that it was a matter of pride that got in his way.

you took that missing 1 personal didnt you?

:1orglaugh get a fucking life please..

I have a life thank you very much.

I agree wholeheartedly.

BTW I am back from Vegas if tyou want to move on with what we talked about before I left.

With all that was said JFPdude, isn't it still (((crazy))) that no one can address why Epic Cash was singled out.

Absolutely I would love to know why they were singled out.

I can assure you that %80 of the people that are fighting got more to lose if they fought rather than settled.

True but my question is out of all that settled why is epiccash singled out to a 10 page flame thread?

pigs will get what pigs deserve.

You don't think it was anything personal do you, because that would be fuckin' preposterous I tell you! :1orglaugh

Call me stupid but I don't understand your response.

Is this a post count post?

Hmmm I have been pondering that notion.

:1orglaugh :Graucho

I agree, it was a business decision...

what annoyings me though is they come on the baord claiming they mainly did it for their affiliates!!!

Did it so they didn't have to revert to shaving... that would be for thier affiliates.

Did it so they wouldn't be tied up in litigation so they can concentrate thier time on helping people make money with thier program ... that would be for thier affiliates

I can go on and on but I would much rather epiccash address this as I am only stating my thoughts and I could be wrong.

If that's the case, who exactly they did do it for? BTW, this isn't an attack on you Darren. I just need some clarification.

JFP, shoot me an email, i am talking with the photog about his intentions for continuing with the project ... you should have some emails in your inbox from me, get back to me whenever ... mysql problem is solved now, but if photog wants to keep going we will work something out ...

I thought you bailed, completely forgot about vegas ;)

JFPdude, the EpicCash decision is their to make. I have no problem with that to a certain level, although i think they could have hold another 2 more months, for the thing to go in court.

However the fact that they advertise to their affiliates (By e-mail) that they want to protect us by sending 20 signup is just fucking plain bullshit, and extremely distastefull marketing tactic on their part. I have seen clumsy, but that's pretty bad and even insulting to the affiliates. Affiliate business toward Acacia is the matter of the affiliates, Epic Cash has no affairs in getting between Acacia and any affiliates, by offering "deals". All it does, is to put Epic Cash in a suspect position towards it's affiliate, in that matter...

Did scores-cash have 2 more months when they were shut down by acacia?

Do you know for certain they had that amount of time?


If so please share with us your information.

:arcadefre

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Exactly. I am an affiliate w/ EpicCash. I make money (byots) w/ them. A small but nice portion of my income comes from EC. Imagine how I would feel if I received an email from Media or Wizzo or whoever for that matter that they were closing shop, because of litigation w/ Acacia. Now mind you, I do believe EC should fight this, just like any sponser out there. But like p1impdog said, his company doesn't have 10 million in the bank. P1impdog has to look at the big picture here. He has affiliates who are paying their mortgages, car notes, and whatever with the money they make from them. With him settling, he's looking out for my interest and mine. I'm sure pride is in there as well. I mean hell Epic Cash is his baby....he ain't closing shop simply because he may receive bad PR from this. You guys have to look at the big picture here, which is.....I NEED MY FUCKIN MONEY TOO!

Someone who's thinking logically. My hats off to you sir. :thumbsup

i think you are all forgetting that Hustler, Flynt Digital and CyberErotica took it in the ass on this board as well. I remember reading only 4 pages of the Hustler thread before i started to get board with all the bitching and whining.

the bottom lines here are:

trey did what was best for his company. love or hate.....just deal with it cause it's not your money and it's not going to change;

those who claim i will pull this link and that gallery....listen the if the company is making you money to the point where pulling links will prevent you from paying your mortgage, car payment or whatever, then you WON'T pull the links. why? cause that is shooting yourself in the foot financially. don't give me it's a matter of principle bs cause money is what makes you survive. without it, you starve, your family may end up homeless, the list is endless.

i saw quite a few posts on this board (before this whole acacia mess) where people were praising ce, hustler and ec for the amt of money these people made with these companies.

you won't convice me that these same people, who came here after (no names mentioned) they found out their sponser(s) settled with acacia, actually pulled the links. i don't buy it for a minute.

what i will agree to is that those people are upset cause trey, in a sense, represents (to some degree) a success story. here is a guy who created utter havoc to get where he is and looked to be one of those people who would tell you to go fuck yourself faster then running water and this acacia thing really turned the situation around.

if anything, i think people are more confused (no matter how many times he explains it) on why he settled and i think those people are hurt.

i don't agree with what he did but let me tell you, if he were a sponser making me hords of cash, then you bet your sweet ass i would keep his links up just like any other sponser who did right by me because i do not and never will make a business decision for that company. don't give me that these sponsors will give out information for any idiot can come to gfy at any time and get all the info they need. has it happen where a company has given out info, sure but that isn't the argument here.

trey isn't making me money, i have no affiliation with him other then a brief what's up and i still say, he did what he did in the best interest of his company.....just leave it alone and move on.

business decisions are not personal decisions. business is just that and we in business don't always like to do things that we "personally" disagree with but that is life. if we ran business' based on personal decisions, then a whole lot of us would be on the street.

if you truly feel he has wronged you, then don't deal with him but then dont be hypocritical either.....pull all your sponsor links who settled with acacia (don't just say you did either just to be part of a group of followers; be an actual leader and do it!).

The reason Epic Cash got picked is because karma is a bitch.

... and that 'karma' resulted in over 35 new affiliates.

That and the fact that a couple webmasters that were sending unproductive traffic pulled their links.

Karma's a bitch ain't it.

:1orglaugh

Would that be a couple as in two?

Hey I hope p1mpdog does really well with it... being an asshole has worked pretty well for Bradshaw and several others around here.

Well said Cassie! :thumbsup

Next thing you know this one will be 10 pages too ...damn, I need this kind of advertising:1orglaugh

Mainly, no... but it was a part and why is it so hard for some of you to believe that a affilliate program might be interested in the intrests of it's affilliates?

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I'm an affiliate and didn't get the email, nor 20 signs. Sure could use them too. I'm not converting well with Epic at all. Just as it looked like conversions were on the rise, it just fell apart. Trying to figure out how to improve the situation. The BYOT is something to try. I'm like at 1:7000 for the period.

If anyone would like to share what is working for them, I'd be interested. You can ICQ me at 169903487.

"business is just that and we in business don't always like to do things that we "personally" disagree with but that is life."

Thats a lie.
Thats a cliche facade of a statement, your business is what you make it. You predict the future by creating it and while you create it, each decision you make sets the record for the future.
Betrayal is a sign of a faulty future.

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i hate asskissers

Yes. Fine if Epiccash cover their ass with Acacia.

But you don't have to get to your affiliates and ask them the same, in the name of "good fate" on your part...A lot of adult webmasters are already aware of Acacia, and the fact that you claim you can cover our ass with some signups amount, is just incredibly stupid. It makes me wonder how smart you beleive your affiliates are... You told, that if we use another sponsor not in Acacia list, we are not cover anyway, yet you have failed to mention that in your fucking e-mail...oh yah...was it an informative e-mail to your affiliate ?

"EPICCASH
Putting Our Money Where Are Mouth Is!


EpicCash has settled with Acacia, because we saw it as the best business decision for us and those who promote us. However, that doesn't mean we agree with them...

So here's the deal, send us 20 signups and we will donate $200 to the IMPA on your behalf.

OR

If your more interested in taking care of your own, we will be happy to pay you a extra $200 for 20 signups...
Your Choice!

Just send your ID to ... if your interested in this deal!

- EPIC CASH "

If you really wanted to help your affiliates you would have TOLD about this simple fact of the "other" sponsors. So...oh please forgive me...if you do not sound anything from credible when you state that you have your affiliates to heart.

Good for you if you are not agreeing with Acacia, but if you want to helps to protect your affiliates, put a legal link with an agreement on: Epic Cash will not divulgate informations of the affiliate X to Acacia, whoever they are promoting EC or any other sponsors. This is the only real help and guaranty you can offer in my book.

I dont know why anybody gives a fuck about who pays Acacia and who doesnt.

If they are sending out checks on time, who fuckin cares.

I call bullshit on your ass and everyone else who says something similar to this.

Adult webmasters dont give a FUCK about the "good fight" and only care about the amount of money their sponsor pays them.

If Trey had put up some money and fought Acacia, I sincerely DOUBT he would have made 1/10 his legal fees back in new biz gained because adult webmasters liked what he did.

Be honest, none of you fuckin really care about epiccash signing with acacia, you all just love to trash someone and sling shit and Trey is an easy target.

Get off your fuckin high horse bitches.

word!

couldnt have said it better myself.. but I would have used the word fuck atleast a few more times :Graucho

thanks man :)

Trey has already stated several times on this board that they have not divulged affiliate info to Acacia and that wasnt part of their agreement.

No thanks needed, I just get sick of seeing this shit dribble from ignorant peoples keyboards.

People should pull their heads out their asses.