War may be Unavoidable:China
 

China needs to go fuck themselves where Taiwan is concerned.

Fuck China, and FUCK taiwan, coz they cant make good shoes anymore, and that really sucks:321GFY

Messy situation

This has been just a matter of time for the last 50+ years. Eventually there will be a showdown, if only brief.

china's technology may be the pits, but they have many times more people than we do. they can afford to throw away plenty more soldiers than we can. mightn't that be a factor?

China isn't talking about war with America.

But America has promised to protect Taiwan in the event of an attack. War with Taiwan = War with America, most likely...

With more than half the companies on the planet using or selling stock that is "made in Taiwan", it will be China vs the world.


Again, China needs to :321GFY

China vs. US? you must be kidding.... US does not want another WW IV, China is one of the super powers you don't want to mess with.

Who says China does not make good shoes? Nike shoes in Asia is mostly manufactured in Taiwan... and i like my shoes. :thumbsup

I don't think so. America has the Taiwan Relations Act, but this act doesn't require the United States to take any action against China in the event of an attack.

Also, I doubt that America wants to step in the ring with China over an issue such as Taiwan's independence.

It's America who really needs to :321GFY

Who is the world police now and force selling their own standards and value all over the world? Which country has Armies on almost every continent? Which government is really at war with any other nations?

Taiwan is part of China. America is the major reason that China wasn't united after second world war.

when will people learn jesus

human race is bound to be extinct in a couple of centuries

I hope my BP servers are in a bomb proof shelter.

SOMEBODY has to babysit the rest of you morons.

Some wise man said war is one of God's way to do population control. So maybe America's dear president is an angel?

When did WWIII happen?

exactly. The funny thing about europeans is they refuse to acknowledge that if it werent for the war monger usa they would be either under nazi or commie rule.

Exactly...and it's trendy for Europeans to hate the USA.

Get a head start...

http://www.ethos-pr.com/noose.jpg

Lets hold a seance to contact the Douglas MacArthur's spirit. He had some pretty good ideas on ways to stop the Chinese hordes.

Shit! You mean to tell me while I've been locked away in my room working on the computer I missed 2 World Wars?

FUCK ME!

Instead of a fuckwitted Texan alcoholic with control of a shitload of nuclear weapons? Fuck me! yeah, I feel much more secure now!!

I'm sure China feels the same about a war with us.

Did I sleep thru WWIII?

Why should China go fuck themselves? From a historical standpoint Taiwan has always been a part of China.

Anyway when Taiwan reunifys with China, it will be a Special Administrative Region like Hong Kong and Macau so China's restricted freedoms won't apply there.

Oh and I've been to Hong Kong a few times, China has kept their word and left HK alone from both an economic and social standpoint.

Edit: Also the U.S. WILL NOT support Taiwan's independence. They have publicly stated this several times. They will not protect Taiwan either.

The most that the U.S. will do is sell weapons to Taiwan and act as a neutral party.

Guys what are you talking about ? :) china will be owned if usa gets involved...

an educated one.

If Puerto Rico told the USA to fuck off because they didn't want to be a commonwealth anymore, would it be right for China to step in to defend Puerto Rico against the USA which OWNS Puerto Rico?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Good one

Typical American thinking. Sadly Bush thinking, too.

Look at Korea, Vietnam and Iraq.

Go read some history, geography books, travel the world, talk to different people. The world isn't all white and black. America isn't the only country in the world.

That may have been the case a few years ago, but they've gone through some changes with their national security, military, yada yada...

If we butt heads with China now, it ain't gonna be pretty...

A few years ago? You mean in North Korea? :ak47:

China will lose badly in any conventional invasion of Taiwan. The distance is just too great to support an invasion in the face of resistance. As well the Chinese military budget is far less than Japan's. Considering them a superpower is misguided. And if they should lose in an invasion it would destabilize party authority. The Chinese are a cautious people and they won't do this.

They may try some sort of blockade or some sort of unconventional conflict, but I doubt more.

I think you underestimate China and over estimate America's ability to "own" China.

China has roughly 50 times the military that Iraq does (or did), and 50 times the population of Iraq.

America has yet to fully "own" Iraq, what do you think the outcome would be if it had to fight Iraq another 49 times?

Oh yeah, and I forgot one small thing, China has nuclear weapons.

War with china is simple.. All you need is a few thousand grenades, and you'll kill off half their population.

You are simple.

Oh that'll be good... another situation for the United States to stick their nose in where it doesn't belong.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't live in either China or Taiwan, and I don't know the 100% complete and total truth about everything done, said and planned for either of them...

and until I do, it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

What the US really needs to do is just let a country sort out it's own problems itself.

Oh, and the crack about Europe being nazi and what ever... when one country is attacking another country or multiple countries or out right threatening to take over the continent... that's very different. That is no longer one country's business.
But when one country has a section or island that wants to separate, that's the one single country's problem to deal with.... no the United State's problem.

India has 45 times the population of IRAQ!! That means if we went to war with India, we would lose!! Africa has 100 times the population of IRAQ!! Going to war with Africa would equate to a sure loss!! :eek7

So you're saying if North Korea attacked South Korea right at this moment, the U.S. should just sit back and relax, wait for "OTHER" countries to step up? That's smart!! Let me see.. the U.N. is there to solve the problem right? But who does the U.N. end up always calling? UNITED STATES!!!!!!! Dumbass.

Notice how I said "50 times the military"? not just population.

Yes, notice that you ALSO said population.

Plain and simple,

1. China will not go nuclear with the U.S. our arsenal is far superior and we could knock out most of thier ICBM before they launched.

2. China yes has a shit load of people, but military wise they could not support a "huge force" per say. And how would they invade the U.S. ?? Swim I suppose... Would be kinda hard to get past our air defenses and ships as they blasted the few troop transports they may or may not have.

3. Would be hard to fight the U.S. due to a supply side issue, we could bomb the shit out of the "military industries" and put them back in the stone ages and they would have a hell of a time doing the same in the U.S.

4. It would suck, and yes lots of U.S. soldiers and Chinese would die. But I don't think China is that huge of a military power. I would be more affraid of North Korea putting up a harder fight.

:2 cents:

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What difference does population size make when all you do is drop bombs out of the sky at night until there's enough dead that it's safe to send in troops?

The would be an entirely different situation and you know it... or have you skipped out on most of history? dumbass.

So, according to you, now there are situations which would be acceptable for the U.S. to get involved?? lol.

Dude!! Have you ever heard of sarcasm? Wasn't that post obvious enough?? Or are you always this slow? :1orglaugh

uhmm... yeah. Is this getting to be over your head?

If you don't know world politics, don't pretend like your opinion matters.

Yes, but between the two of us, you're the only one who acknowledged just population size in referring to a countries military ability. I acknowledge population and military size.

What does size have to do with ANYTHING? What was the ratio of U.S. pilots fighting ground Taliban fighters in Afghanistan? Who ended up winning? Who ended up running?

Let's look at it this way...

if California decided that it has the population and resources it needs to become it's own country, and the rest of the US says no... and they come to the point where they're going to go to war...

the US would be highly pissed if other countries stepped up and starting attacking on behalf of California.

It's not their business, they have no right to take sides or to be involved in what is clearly the US's matter.