wonder if this'll change the minds of the pro-choice clan...
 

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...773312,00.html

interesting.

not even gonna click that fucking link..... my mind is unchangeable.

interesting this fucker :321GFY

there is nothing gross, it's an article.

doesn't matter. We are endowed with the ability to choose. Anything contradictory to that is fucking bs. I don;t need to read any articles or see any pics or visit any fucking demonstrations. We have the ability to fucking choose and nothing will ever change that.

If you're Pro-Life, shove it in your ass.

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Yup, that about sums it up.

So if I used my ability to chose, and flew to Hawaii, relieved you of your brain matter, and threw what was left of you in the trash... you'd be ok with that?

Just asking.

Well said :thumbsup

Its the fuckin people that can't think for themselves that protest cause they don't know what else to do so they follow the moron beside them.

Pass out the Im with stupid shits :321GFY

I'm not a fetus that will forever alter the lives of two people anymore. Big difference you conveniently overlooked.

Hrmm.. I'd think killing the baby would alter it's life far more than the baby would ever alter the life of the careless parents.


Or did you conveniently overlook THAT?

This is gonna be fun.

Carry on.

:glugglug

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1) It's not a baby, it's a fetus. It's developing into a human.

2) Alot of kids would have been better off if they were aborted. We don't need any more people born into poverty and families that don't want them.

everything time you jerk off, millions of possible lives are lost. murderers!!

lol.... the "baby", as you call it.... has not impacted upon ANYTHING as of yet, other than distorting the mother's body. Bringing it into the world has a far greater impact that choosing to not bring it.

Careless? I think carelees should be reserved for those special people that blindly think evry fucking piece of tissue has some 'right' to be a fucking Harvard graduate.

'Responsible' are those that think things through and do what is best for ALL parties involved. That means Mom, Dad, Fetus, and all. NOT just, "well, we conceived,... that's it. It MUST be born.


ANything less than diligent consideration is irresponsible in my opinion. Are you saying you're an irresponsible blind sheep? I hope not. I thought we were all beyond the stone age already. The need to carry on the species is over. We're pretty well fucking established.

Use your head man.

I refuse to call those jackasses "Pro-Lifers". The term "Pro-Life" insinuates that us of the "Pro-Choice" persuasion are by default, "Pro-Death". I prefer to call them "Anti-Choicers". Or "Fucking-Idiot".

The link is to a benign article about a technology that is so outrageously expensive that it will probably only be used in extreme situations, and has been around for over 2 years.

I'm so going to hell :glugglug

Aside from all the crap being spewed in here, this technology the article mentions is amazing!

3D fucking ultrasounds?!?!?

This was offered at UCLA Medical center when my wife was pregnant. It was not covered under insurance and was still being tested so we didn't go for it.. too worried about the possible side effects.

It looks like the technology has improved even from 2000 when we saw the documentation on it.

Science is truly amazing.

if you want to murder the kid that is the persons choice, but accept it for what it is. Thats what i hate about pro choice people. They want to try to justify it by coming up with witty arguments of how its not living and what not. If you want to do it, do it, but have the guts to accept it for what it is.

In 2000, it was $550 per session. I don't know what a regular ultrasound costs as it was covered by unsurance, but I believe it is around $300-350. Not a BIG difference, but my wife was high risk and needed 2 ultrasounds per month.. That would get expensive!

Why is a person's age measured from the date of their birth instead of the date of their conception?

I'm not arguing that you're killing something. Not at all. I never have. My only argument is one of common fucking sense. It IS a choice. And the choice is made by the parents.... not by legislation and not by pressure from zealots, and not by protesters with a bunch of gay signs.

It is, and alwyas will be a fucking choice. As it should be. If it is ever legislated that you MUST give birth, guess what.... it will STILL be a choice. You think some fucking law is going to stop a personal choice? Creating a law against it will only bring back the coat hanger days.

Yeah, technology! :thumbsup

The relevance of that article to the topic of abortion is zero. The image in the article shows a fetus developed far beyond the point at which any abortion would be performed.

Typical of most pointless shit-stirrers you have left out a few items from your argument. Logic, reason, and intelligence to name just a few. A standard right wing religious fanatic argument in other words. Devoid of logic, filled with irrelevant sideshows.

Moron.

farbie

I had twins in 1998. They were born at only 5 months of pregnancy. They lived for several days and were most certainly ALIVE. no ifs and or butts... 1lb a piece, only 11.5 inches tall.

There are children being born at 22-23 weeks gestation now and living.
Fuck anyone who thinks late-term abortions aren't murder.

You're a fucking Nazi, piss off! :321GFY

It's funny that people assume babies are better off dead than born into poverty...

Wonder what the baby's opinion would be.

Also, blindly assuming poor people are the ones getting all the fucking abortions is just silly.

Also, did anyone besides Sharky actually read the article.. instead of sheepishly quoting the people you've seen on TV?

my daughter died a few years ago. She was born 3 months premature due to numerous complications. She lived for two hours. She didn't even have a name until after she died.

Don't ever tell me I don;t know about life.


Doesn't change the fact that it's still a fucking choice. Yeah.... it hurts.... and it sucks.... and something will die. But it is still a fucking choice.

Juicy must kill billions a day :1orglaugh

Sure it's killing something, but it's not like the fetus knows better. Some people would just be better off not being born. I think alot more people should have abortions. If you know you're not going to be fit to raise a child to have a good life, it's pretty damn selfish to have it. All you'd be doing is causing one more person to grow up miserable.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/...2773312,00.html

Photoshopped.

OK.. the point you are missing is those idiots you mention should have used birth control. If you're not responsible, you shouldn't be allowed to fuck. If you do, be prepared to live with the outcome!

The one thing I have never been able to understand about the pro-life zealots....

how can you possibly say it's NOT a choice? It so clearly is. People make the decision evry day of the week. People CHOOSE.... every day of the week. You may WANT every conceived piece of flesh to be born, but what you want is irrelevant.... it is a choice, and that is a fact of life you are unwilling to accept. You can preach all the shit you want.... and tomorrow, someone will make that decision again. Someone will choose.

I have never understood this about the pro-lifers.... and I likely never will. It must be a god thing or something.... because it is so obviously a choice.... it's right in front of your eyes. Whether you call it murder or not.... the choice is made every damn day.

You deny something that simply IS. It IS a choice. Accept it.

you know what, take a fetus out when it's a month old and tell me if it is human, if it can learn, if it knows right from wrong, if it can earn a living, if it can survive and then come back and talk about witty pro choicers!


i think those of you who are pro life best put those shoes on the other sets of feet that will be around and rethink things.

too many people are having children who will end up drug addicted by default, homeless and possibly worse. so i say if a woman or couple DECIDES that it is not in the best interest of their lives, or the potential life they intend to bring to this oh-so great plant, then they have my support, the support of the welfare system they will not be taking from and the support from non profit groups who wont have to find housing and possibly counseling for this unwanted child.

dont give me the bullshit that the fetus, which will "develop" into a child, can be put up for adoption for we know what can happen in that situation. it will either become part of the system or potentially end up in an abusive home. i am not saying all homes are like that but all you have to do is turn on the news and hear how another child died. it's best to not even put a "child" in that situation from the get go if you choose not to.

those who want children should have some sort of schooling for a year or so. that schooling should teach the financial responsibilites in regards to a child (this is an area so many people miss....lets have a kid and then go bankrupt cause we never had any money to support it), the mental altering when raising a child (most people do not realize that when a child asks a million questions or spills something on a 2k sofa it is NOT ok to beat them into submission); i could go on all night.......

witty pro choicers, as you would like to call us, are making the right CHOICE at that moment and that choice is called being RESPONSIBLE!

The same American idiots who shoot abortion doctors and stand outside abortion clinics with their signs don't care whatsoever what life that child is gonna have. Whether it's gonna be in total poverty, whether it's an unwanted child, whether the stepfather beats up the child every day. On the contrary - the "pro-lifers" vote for the rightwing for more weapons, more tax cuts, more poverty for those in need - and they keep up the image of being "good Christians".

Hypocrisy at its finest.

I wish I hadn't opened this thread. I hate hearing about and reading about this type of thing.

YES, there IS a choice. A woman CAN choose to kill her baby. She can ALSO CHOOSE to kill her HUSBAND. It doesn't make either choice right.

Thousands of parents are waiting for years and years to adopt a baby. If a woman doesn't want a child, she could CHOOSE to give the baby to a family who wants to love it, not kill it.

Argue away, I won't be back to this thread. I've said all I need to.

Sorry to hear it. I've been there and know what it's like.

I agree people should have a choice, however the choiuce needs to be made quickly. They shouldn't wait it out to see if they like being pregnant. If it goes past first tri-mester, they should not be allowed to abort the baby. There are other options that should be considered from then on.

So in order to punish some irresponsible people you push a kid on them as a burden? Sure it's giving the parents their just deserts, but is it really fair to have a kid live life for that reason? Do you think that kid's not gonna grow up to have problems and ultimately wish they weren't born?

The issue of abortion is such a sensitive one. And i really am torn between both sides. Firstly. I don't think abortion is right. I'm against it. But i'm not against the right for a woman to have an abortion, as horrible as i think it is. I think women that have a certain amount of abortions should just have their tubes tied. I know a girl that's 18 and she's already had something like 5 abortions. It's sickening.

Pro-choice, but they can't choose to use protection. If people were responsible about sex, this would barely be an issue.

so you're saying abortion would be acceptable to you until the kid is about 16..?

Right, because there's a surplus of people wanting to adopt kids. Please, if the kid does eventually get adopted half the time they'll just become fuckups anyway. Most of the kids I grew up with who were adopted ended up going from home to home and eventually ended up as junkies.

It'd be great if people would adopt, but that's usually not the case. Even when they do half of the time it's a miserable failure.

again.. you are missing the point.. it's not about punishing irresponsible people.. it's about educating them to their options. The easy way out is not always the best option.

Interesting thread, guys, great to see so many viewpoints & honest opinions coming into play!

I'm like chodadog, torn between both sides. It all depends on circumstances. I know sluts that have abortions a few times a year, I think that's plain wrong. I know others who have become pregnant while they were young, and have made an informed decision that they are not ready to support a baby. So hard to know, there is no black or white answer I have to this. I guess it all depends on your view as to when life starts. And what is life, and who should have the power to destroy it. Big questions.. ... :2 cents:

Here's a little story for you pro-lifers....


My girlfriend back in high school got pregnant. She was 18, I was 16. I broke up with her prior to knowing she was pregnant. Two weeks later, she ran into me and my new girl. It was then she dropped the bomb on me. She was pregnant. She was on the pill prior to that, but she admitted that she got pregnant on purpose, because.... get this.... she thought I might break up with her.

wow..... helluva reason to get pregnant.

Well, she told me she was keeping the baby. Against my better judgement AND advice. And she did.

I hauled ass.


That kid is now 19 years old.




I have zero relationship with him. She's since then, had 5 or 6 other kids from various guys. She was married, and is currently not with anyone. Her last husband is in fed prison.... courtesy of her.



My son's birthday is in one week. I won't be sending a card because I have no idea where he is. Collectively, I've seen him for approximately 5 hours across his entire life.



Pro-life huh?


Yeah.... he got his life alright. I'm sure he's enjoyed every fucking minute of it too.


I fully blame her. She chose. Not me. I voiced my opinion on it, and was overrided. And his life has been shit for the last 19 years because of it.

But still, making them have a kid and calling it justice is like if someone stole your car, so you think it's fair to go steal someone elses. They fuck up their lives and they should get shit for it, but it's not worth it to create another fucked up life.

You are confusing newborn adoptions with schoolage adoptions where the kids come from broken homes or worse. Newborn adoptions are in demand and most of the children grow up in a family with people who love them more than anything!

im saying until it comes out of that womb, it is NOT a child but living tissue just like the rest of that body and until you are faced with such a tough decision, then you shouldnt speak about things you havent experienced.

The Truth Hurts = Idiot

Living proof why the choice to abort is a good thing.

18 years of child support payments, that just ended last May.... and I still have absolutely zero relationship with my first born son.


that speaks volumes for pro-life at any cost.