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is that so?

guess what superman..... if I get some chick preganant next week, you know what we're gonna do about it? We're gonna CHOOSE!

whatcha gonna do about it.

This is the dumbest argument made all night

Not a damn thing.

I don't go around intentionally interfering in the lives of other living creatures.

but isn't that your entire point of view? THat we all need to succumb to the pro-life plan and give birth to every damn thing ever conceived? If pro-lifers didn't want to interfere, they would've shut the fuck up years ago.

it's exactly as dumb as a pro-life point of view....


welcome to Idiot Level 4.

:1orglaugh

So fucking true.

pro-choice does not always mean pro-abortion. :2 cents:

no, the point of view (mine anyway) is to not go around killing things because they might put a cramp in your lifestyle.

What about the lifestyle of the baby? I guess you don't believe that non-existance is better than some lifestyles.

Its a very valid argument relating to Abortion rights.

People have the right to have cancer removed but are not supposed to have the right to remove fetal matter that will cause them possible grief all there lives when they have no need nor want for it?

Its valid but a very twisted way of perspective that hits the reality in the nose.

TO say that the materials in pregnant women within early stages is an human is false. It is not a coherent entity, its not human but a collection of cells like a cancer or what have you within the human body.

you have the luxury of CHOOSING to feel that way..... you should be fucking grateful you do. Kinda nice to have a fucking CHOICE ain't it?


Leave OTHER people to make their choices.... you wanna live by those rules, you are MORE than fucking welcome to bud. When you start dictating how I need to live mine, I'm gonna get all up in your face every fucking time.

Bank it.

GFY as usual...

1) First part of the thread: People come up with arguments and tell about experiences from their own life.
2) Second part of the thread: "You're the biggest idiot". "No, you're the biggest moron". "No, you're a bigger asshole that me". Continue at leisure... :1orglaugh

SO you will not kill ants and spiders in your house either?

No, I bring them outside.

I personally don't think abortion is right .. I think it's America's lazy way out .. we are lazy as I hell .. If your willing to stick your dick carelessly .. then you should be ready for the returns ..
But .. There are always exceptions for everything ...
But I also don't think that im a god and everything I believe is 100% CORRECT .. thats the wonderful thing about America .. we have the choice .. I do believe it should remain a choice .. in some situations it would be worse being born .. than living for some children...
I got 2 girls pregnant when I was 15 .. and now have 2 kids 6 weeks apart .. one oh which I have full custody of .. But It's alot of sacrifice .. which some people aren't ready to make

How do you feel about head lice?

now, pretend I'm a baby in the womb.

Yes, it'd be nice to have a choice.

You are saying that a collection of human cells is a Coherent human being again....

Never had them, but it's clear you're stretching.

Equating head lice to a baby.

Aren't we all, nothing more than a collection of human cells?

oh really?

well how about the fucking Cane spider I whacked in my bathroom last week? He was fully grown.... I ended his fucking life. Is that stretching? I made a CHOICE. I could have gently picked him up, given him a kiss, and deposited him outside....

instead, I fucking whaled on his ass with a mailer tube.

You have already equated Ants and Spiders to a Human Baby.

Dude.

Therapy. Logic. Knowledge.

Reality.
I am waiting for you to bring up god now...

God's salute to the pro-abortion crowd....

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/timage...ieSalutes1.jpg

actually, you did.

you have deep issues.... clearly with your "creator", that you need to resolve internally.

Once you do, this pro-life bs phase will pass. You may say you're not religious, but you do have deep unresolved uncertainties about it. That much is clear.


I'll not try to further explain reality to you, since you are unable to hear. Seek the Tao. Find the truth. Then come preaching. I'll be here. But you won't be preaching.

Let go the lie. It will set you free.

Yes, but some of those cells have been made into a complex network of nerves and synapses and the like that allow us to have thoughts and emotion. That's the difference between plants and animals. Before a fetus develops this it can barely even be considered an animal.

Tell ya what, at the end, if my creator tells me he's got no problem with us humans killing babies, i'll buy you a heineken.

Until then, you, nor anyone else, is going to change my opinion.

And if you can sit there, and honestly say to yourself and believe it, that you have the right to take a life, well, I feel sorry for you.

see.... I knew it. You said in another thread you were not religious....


you just blew that outta the water. Not like I needed a confession.... it's so plainly obvious you have conflict with it.

The key words there are "if my creator".... yeah.... your creator. Not mine.

There is no fucking "creator". Once you realize this, you will be able to let go a ton of shit that's weighing you down man.

You don't have to be religious to believe there is a God.

Do you realize how fucked up that sounds?

Pro-Life? No, man, I'm Pro-Death.

What the FUCK is wrong with this world?

Truth.... seriously bro.... if you really want the truth....


Matthew Alper: The God Part of the Brain
Steven Pinker: How The Mind Works
Michio Kaku: Hyperspace
Beck: Now Zen
Stephen Mitchell: Tao Te Ching
Deng Ming-Dao: 365 Tao
Deng Ming-Dao: Everyday Tao
Forrest E. Morgan: The Martial Way
Einstein: Relativity
Bruce Lee: Tao of Jeet Kune Do


Start with those.... read them all twice with honest open mind.

Then come talk to me. Your "creator" will cease to exist.


He's never existed in the first place man. It's all a fucking lie.

We shall see.

let's not nitpick over widely accepted labels at this stage...

please....


that's infantile.

Also, for every book out there that would try and disprove there is a God, there are 1000 with a differing opinion...

If I told you to go read them, would you?

Personally speaking, I don't get my beliefs from a book.

From someone in the business of creating things (even if it is just a porn site), I expected you to have a different frame of mind.

Pro life people are a bunch of senseless fags, they are the reason why we have half the world sitting on a pole with no decisions being made.

if they were in the situations that some people get in that would suddenly change their mind,

what about rape victims? or incest victims?

and you are telling me pro life?

half you post sitters are daddies little boys who got everything given to them.

Fuck ProLife.

been there, done that. I was FORCED to go to church as a child. I've read the fucking bible forwards and backwards.... how many times were you FORCED to read anything proving there isn't a god? I'd assume never.

Scared of what you'll learn?

Go fucking read it. If nothing else, read the Matthew Alper book. It's thin.... should only take about 30 minutes. In stark comparison to the bible which takes fucking years to even begin to figure out the layered psychobabble.

Frame of mind? LOL.... my mind is free brother. I set it free in 1997. My chains are gone. Along with all the illusions and concrete bs rhetoric.

you can take the blue pill, and you wake up tomorrow believing, whatever you wanna believe....


or you can take the red pill.... and I show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes...... Alice. :glugglug

It sure as hell makes a point, though. It's sad when someone is not "politically correct" if they're Pro-Life. That label may be acceptable. But just think about it for a minute.

I'm very pro life. I'd hate to be pro death.

now when was the last time "God" offered you that?

oh yeah... I forgot.... that shit is based on "faith", not proof.

The best book to read to snap you out of a religious state of mind is the Bible. Like Amp I was forced to read it front to back for the greater part of my young life. The more you learn the more there is to question. You find more facts contradicting each other in the book itself as well as more facts that contradict modern science.

I wish I'd taken the blue pill. Ignorance is bliss. Too bad there's no going back :321GFY

My dad was a church pastor. I was forced to be there every time the doors were open.

I am not going to get into my opinions on pro choice vs. pro life. My opinions don't matter. You believe one way or the other.

BUT, pro-lifers should never use GOD as a reason to be pro-life.

God is NOT pro-life. I'll prove it (I know the Bible, fool). In Hosea 13:16 God himself commands unborn babies to be ripped from their mother's wombs. Here's the exact text of the verse:

16 The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open."

God commanded the Jews to rip unborn babies from their mother's wombs. God favors abortion if the parents are unfit, and this verse proves it.

Read it for yourself in your own Bible. And then think about it.

As I said, I don't get my beliefs from a book.

I have never opened a bible, and the last book I completely read without losing interest was Eyes of the Dragon.

Hardly a perception altering piece of work.

Sure, I've seen and probably used a few quotes, had some photocopied pages to read from back when I was made to go to catechism, but never actually opened one.

Oh, and since you used choice so often in this thread....
you can CHOOSE to kill a baby all you want, but if I CHOOSE to believe in a God, theres something wrong with me?

Silly me.

nope... nothing wrong with choosing to believe or choosing life. That's the point. It's a CHOICE. But if I choose differently, the pro-lifers get all up in MY face don't they? Because I'm wrong..... right?


That's the beauty of CHOICE. You can choose whatever you want. Not what is dictated to you. Be it a protestors sign, a tv commercial, the bible, your parents influence, or whatever.... choosing is about choosing. It's about the ability to make your own fucking decision regardless of the idiots that spew nonsense into your face as you're making it.

Welcome to pro-CHOICE. We don't throw pro-choice in your faces.... we merely explain the common sense of it when YOU, the pro-lifers, get on your high fucking horse and start dicatating what people can do.

how dare you tell anyone what they can and cannot do....

who the fuck elected you judge and jury?

No, it speaks volumes for irresponsible assholes who refuse to wear a condom and then take off like cowards rather than accepting the consequences of their own actions.

YOU fucked her, YOU did not wear a condom, YOU are at fault. And YOU ruined a child's life - not her.

Way to go, Amp. Real class act.

By the way, stop calling him your son. You were never a father to him, you were merely a check in the mail - no better than the government. You don't have the right to call him your son.

hahaha..... here we go.


Again, let me remind you.... she was 18, I was 16. She was on the pill for the three years prior that we had been fucking on a regular basis. She ADMITTED she got pregnant on PURPOSE. She knew I was not going to marry her and that I was leaving, because I told her so. She kindly informed me she was having the kid anyway as a way to "remember me".... reducing him to a souvineer of teenage idiocy.

I was eventually pinned down by the court and relagated to paying child support for the next 18 years. Which I did religiously all the way to the last fucking payment.

I sent him birthday cards, Christmas cards, random money, made numerous visits, tried to include him in my life, and even brought him to stay with me for a summer, which he bailed on after two days, calling his mother to come get him, which she did.

Oh yeah.... I fucking tried.... and then I fucking tried some more.... and again, and again, and again. My mother lived a mere few blocks away from him. His grandmother. He shafted her with a huge ass cell phone bill that she got for him on good faith, which turned out to be his fucking WHORE mother using as a house phone.

And this is all my fault how again?

Fuck you. ANd fuck your fucking opinion bitch.

Walk a fucking mile in my goddamned shoes and then come back with your self-rightous canned I-saw-it-on-Oprah-and-Dr.-Fucking-Phil bullshit.

Don't you ever fucking preach to me.

Had SHE been responsible? Coming from someone who didn't wear a condom and got his girlfriend knocked up?

BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA