Which is more dangerous - heroin or alcohol?
 

I say heroin. Friend says alcohol. My friend says that because alcohol is both neurotoxic and hepatoxic. Says heroin is virtually non-toxic, with the only risk of use being overdose (which only generally occurs when purity is unknown, a result of heroin being illegal). Also says that Long term heroin addiction (in an evironment where the drug is legal and safe) has virtually no true health risks (besides the small possibility of OD'ing which could be prevented were Narcan widely available), whereas long time alcohol abuse will virtually always end in death or disease.

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Well I think heroin is more addictive. But I have known some practicing junkies that held some pretty important positions like a store manager, and you would never have known.

I haven't looked at the facts surrounding it, but knowing how hard alcohol is on the body I bet clean heroin is not as bad. Never tried it though. I'd want more hahaha

Heroin!

I'd rather get drunk than shoot up

Well I never woke up with my neighbors dog after a night of smack

I'd rather have a steak and fries than eat broccoli. Does that mean Steak and fries is less dangerous for your health?

yes, yes it does

heroin addiction is very strong and makes you worthless. Use few times heroin and you are done for life.

Alcohol is different. Alcoholism takes time and has several stages. You have the time and the signs to realise that you are in dangerous limits when you drink.....with heroin you don't have this opportunity.

Don't ever try heroin, not a single time. This is advise from people that died from it.

I've seen a few documentaries which have claimed this

Your friend is right.
But go with weed. :stoned

Statistically Alcohol.. Plain and simple because more people use it..

But if people used heroin like alcohol i think it'd be heroin !!

More deaths are caused by alcohol and alcohol related shit in a year than the total deaths on the beaches of normandy on d-day !!

Do the math.. 1 drink driver per million people worldwide dies every day.. it adds up..

But the thing is.. heroin addicts usually only kill themselves.. drink drivers take whoever is in the car and maybe a few pedestrians or another car if in an accident..

I lost 2 grandparents to a drink driver that slammed into them.. so im a bit biased !!


Nath

i'd say alcohol.

i'll take heron for $20, alex

take a sip of alcohol ,shit won't happen

take a snort of some heron who knows what might happen,you may wake of sick the next day...fienin'

I didnt mention health :thumbsup

Drugs are only as addictive as your personality.

No matter what, I would never touch the dirt and alcohol is the devil :feels-hot

Well, i dont know actually, i guess what other people said, it depends how you use it.

neither is good but heroin is way too scary...

Don't be such a chicken, all the cool kids are doing it.

heroin.:thumbsup

More people die as result of alocholism and alcohol related incidents than all other drugs realted deaths combined.

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One may as well put a bullet in their head rather than getting into heroin:2 cents:

Damn. I missed that episode of "Crossing Over". Sounds like a good one.

What a stupid and meaningless statistic. That's purely because of the availability and legality of alchohol and absolutely nothing to do with which is more dangerous per se. Good grief.

urine

Actually it does.

The question is "which is more dangerous?"

And by far Alcohol is more dangerous because of it's availability.

How many kids do you know every friday night are out trying to score heroin?

Sure there are some, but it's mainly going to be alcohol they are going to score.

Now take that same group of kids and ask how they would behave with either drug.

If you took a group of 10 kids who scored some heroin they are not going to sit around for an entire night trying to see who can get higher than the other.

They either snort it, or skin pop get the nods and pass out in their room. Sure there's a chance they might die.

Now take that same group of kids after they have scored some beer etc.

Now they will sit around and see who can get more drunk than the other.

Now that they are drunk it's time to go home.

Alcohol is far more insidious than drugs like Heroin.

It's cool to get drunk...haven't you ever been to a convention?

Not too many people think it's cool to shoot smack.

Alcohol is also a gateway drug for many people.

Drug users don't die from the heroin. They die from the rough life they lead getting the money for it (prostitution, stealing, etc, etc.)

In some North European countries, they give drug users substitutes for heroin. That's a better way that having people die for stupid reasons. Those drug users then get their drugs from the state for free and lead a pretty normal life.

heroin by far

Burroughs addresses this in his book Naked Lunch in the foreword about his cure.

You must not know any alcoholics.
Yes, heroin is nasty but alcohol is just as nasy to the drunk drinking it.

Look at all the bs people get into drinking.

I prefer a more social drug........like mescaline, very easy to deal with people on mescaline.






Yeah right!.......I'd take beer over anything man, 'cept maybe coke.

a very SMART friend of mine once said...

"I'd rather have 100 people stoned/high in my house than 2 people drunk..."

not really try8n' to make any point other than what a smart friend of mine once said to me...

btw - just curious, and for the record, who happens to be drunk right now?

Heroin is more dangerous in the long term. Heroin is not non toxic, my sister is a junky and she gets sores from it. Long term addiction no health risks? Umm has your friend ever heard of AIDS? Heroin turns people into nothing but thieves and liars and basically destroys the rest of their life.

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Heroin is the direct cause of most heroin users death, taking an overdose of the shit.
You dont OD on turning tricks or stealing purses from older ladies.

they both are stupid

Heroin period!!!!! I've known people who had a £100+ a day habbit and alcoholics rarely burgle your garden shed at 3am or beat the fuck out of a 75 year old woman for a few ££££

AIDS? Hepatitis C? I guess you're not taking any of this into consideration.

Are we talking danger one's self or danger to society? Because if it's just bodily damage the social raminfications have little to do with it. In both cases, however, alchohol is more dangerous.

There's plenty of evidence to show that a managed addiction to heroin, where the product used is clinical in purity, will do little to harm your body. The problems arrise with street grade smack that is cut to shit with everything imagineable. Like another post here pointed out, there's plenty of people with managed addictions who work decent jobs and live decent lives.

Alchohol is just plain bad for you, your organs, your brain. It's social impact is just ad bad as heroin, if not worse, only in different ways. You all know what they are.

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The issues that crop up when a junkie dedicates their whole life to being an addict are the definately not cool. I live a few blocks from the worst neighborhood in Canada (possibly North America) for heroin use. They like to stumble into my neighborhood to rob from our businesses, homes and cars. I've woken to the same screams two times now at about 5 in the morning, only to find out it's some user with a police dog clamped on his leg.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1987781.stm

"Mr Brunstrom added that heroin was largely safe.

But tobacco and alcohol caused many more times the number of deaths than all illicit drugs put together.

"It is very hard to die from heroin - most people die from the impurities in the drug or from overdoses.

"The sum total of all the effort you and I put into this is to turn heroin into a commodity so expensive addicts have to commit crime after crime to feed their habits."

From what I've heard and read,

Heroin addiction is more destructive to your personal life (and wallet) whereas alcohol is more destructive to your body.

I would be interested in seeing a study that related each drug to violent crime or destructive accidents. I know more people are killed with alcohol as a mitigating factor than heroin in the US (drunken rage, drunk driving, etc). However, that doesn't really mean anything because alcohol abuse occurs infinitly more that herion abuse, so I'd need to see something with actual ratios per usage

Have to agree with you Metaman!

welll i never have done herion but i use to drink alot and party some and now i have a failing liver and lung cancers NOT spreading , and i just found out that i have mager never probs .
I been dealing with great pain from it , and the drinking done it to me . My nevers are more less from what i understanding like dying at the ends and in turn makes great pain and numness ,
and trust me i know wish the pain and trips in and out of the doc office all the time on any one .
I have alot of friends here and buyers and they all know just how much i am dealing with this , and from all the docs tell me from the drinking other then the lung probs .
What makes matters worse for me is that i cant take meds ethers for this at this time not till my livers gets better , so i am more less fuck and do my best to deal with it , shit i am just 36 and when i wake up i walk like a 80 year old man from the pain is so great . I just found out this never prob i have two days ago and now have to get ready to under go test from hell to see what we can do to stop it and handle it around the liver prob as well ..


SO that is my two cents on this , and i not heard these probs from herion tho it isnt good ether for you
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i have read this thread three times and funny , so many here think that for it is heroin it makes it worse ,

trust me i have seen and knew people on it and there most probs want more or go threw hell to get off it and when off they do there best to stay off it ,

Go to me and live my life for two weeks and then repost and i am sure you will think this all over again , trust me by far do i want one person so feel sorry or bad i lived my life the way i did and that is it and the fact of it all and what has came from it !
I have and know i have lived a good and fun life , just the fact is that all the drinking i use to do has made my heath SHIT !
Learn all i posted a on my heath in a 7 month time and jsut for shit to keep going bad on me and you will fully understand my point here .
I am not telling people not to drink that is your life , just dont drink so damn hard as some us have or do , man it was nothing for me to drink a fith of crown or jack aday and be fine ( so i thought )
. again all this is just me :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

heroin

If you're talking about the individuals health - which basically means nothing, it's heroin.

Now the people who really matter, the innocent bystanders who can be affected by the drug, are endangered more by alchohol. When was the last time a junkie was driving 120mph and hit a minivan full of toddlers?

But of course there's right and wrong ways to do either. Willpower's the key. Heroin gets your willpower over time and causes you to seperate yourself from society. This is where you put yourself at risk for AIDS, etc. Alcohol kills your willpower after a few drinks and makes you a no-judgement idiot who still has the strength to go out into the world and do damage.

Oh, an added danger many of us didn't add - jail. Any illegal substance puts you at a high risk for jail time. You really can't base this on statistics because police departments change all the time. One week they're lenient the next they're trying to lock people up for being a pothead. I'm facing 3 years for being a pothead, this is unheard of around here. You really never know..

cluck, it's like we're leading two different discussions here.

As a substance, alcohol is more dangerous than heroin.

In real life - because of laws, etc - heroin is more dangerous. But laws can change - and laws are different around the world.

If you take two people. Inject one with heroin and give the other a 12 pack. The person who is drunk is more likely to die.

interesting thread... i lived in what was called the herion capital of the US. good ole plano tx. mtv did the real life story there. i've known a lot more ppl die from herion than alcohol. someone posted it earlier, and it's true, herion makes ppl worthless. i know a guy that's been dead 3 times, the second time they actually called the time. the dumb fucker still does it (haven't heard from him in 3 yrs, so he might be toast by now). and as for availability, i think it was almost easier to get herion than alcohol.

it's a loaded question though, there's going to be points on both sides.

just my :2 cents: