Apology to Bush-Bashers everywhere
 

I'm sorry, I had no idea that you were so eminently qualified to second-guess the POTUS. I had no clue that you know more about what is going on in Iraq than the US president does. How could I know that you know more about what is in the best interest of the USA's future well-being and what are the right moves to ensure lasting world peace than the US commander-in-chief???


Forgive me your eminence(s).


Had any of you actually ran for president I would surely have moved to the States and voted for you.

It's ok. No worries, CD. You're just another victim that's fallen prey to the American propaganda machine. It's not your fault.

Absolutely. It's going to take years of de-programming therapy.

I should sue the US Gov't.

Hating the president has a long and illustrious history, going back to long before any of us were born. Bush is really no better or worse than any of a long string of shitty politicians, he's just a much lousier diplomat.

POTUS. Nice. :1orglaugh

Dubya has a POTUS mouth, Dubya has a POTUS mouth!

I think he's worth applauding for taking a hard line on the middle east, Iraq, muslims, terrorism, and saddam insane.



As I said once before....

It's always easy to criticize the US and the American president while sitting up in the cheap seats. Armchair critics like you don't have all the facts, you don't have all the intel reports that the president has, you don't have hundreds of deep-cover operatives feeding you the facts, yet you people purport yourselves as being wiser and more intelligent than the president? Yeah, right. Why exactly should anyone listen to you?

:eek7 Are you talking about Intel reports like this one:

http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2003/02/5753.php

It is not a question what Bush knows it is a question what he tell you, and he is telling you lies... And fuck commander-in-chief. He is an idiot. Think for your self. You are bragging about how USA is land of freedom, but your minde is not free. You are just thinking what you are told to think

You actually just quoted something from Indymedia? That's quite possibly the most left-biased site on the entire friggen net.

I think some of us undoubtedly are wiser and more intelligent than the president - hes only an electecd man. Probably not myself though.. I'm a dummy :helpme

I can't say I know whats going on in the middle east, all I can say is that it doesn't feel like its a war on terrorisim.

These idiots will use anything to prop up their failing argument.


Yet they claim that it is ME that is brainwashed. Too funny.

First thing I found on google.


Better?
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/02...er_sample.html

He's obviously not thinking what he's told to think, since it seems most of the world is against whatever Bush says. Therefore, if CD were actually a "sheep", he would probably agree with all of your sentiments.

Furthermore, CD Smith is from Canada. It was my understanding that Canada wasn't exactly pro-Bush, although I could very well be wrong. Like myself, CD Smith probably often finds himself debating and arguing with others, because a good chunk of the others think differently than him.

You don't see a problem with the fact that a comment like that could be applied to any leader? It effectively exempts any leader, anywhere, at any time, from public criticism.

You could have defended Hitler from criticism with the same nonsense.

Where was your vote when I ran for office?

All I am personally suggesting is that the opinions of "these idiots" represent about 50% of the United States of America, and a much higher number world wide.

It's a bad situation for our nation and president to be in.

You are.:winkwink:

The USA doesn't invade and conquer, so comparing them to Hitler is the actual nonsense here. The only person remotely comparable to Hitler is Saddam himself.



Squawk all you want, it's going to happen regardless. The Iraqi dictatorship will fall, Saddam will be dealt with, the country will be rebuilt, and it will become a better place for it's citizens to live in. The USA will not retain ownership of the country, but will certainly monitor it's well-being.

Hitler raped, used and devastated the countries he conquered, where exactly do you see a parallel to the US here guttersnipe?

We're going to take all their oil. Duh!

Cool, I will use that as my slogan in 04.

"If I'm good enough for CD, I'm good enough for you."

CD you think that IRAQ is it for us? You think we're stopping there? :1orglaugh

There are A LOT of people in the world that could be considered terrorists (excluding North Korea of course, though I'm not sure why - ah yes, because they have weapons of mass destruction.)

And depending on how seriously Bush takes his "...Your either with us or against us..." that list may be growing.

I hadn't heard that one. No mention of it anywhere in the news either.


Do you speak for the US?

Oops! You are forgetting something here CD.. what report do you have that president Bush has also? Armchair critics? Why? Are you speaking from the senate? :1orglaugh (nothing personal thou bud, just a ehm.. post!)

It will stop when the job is done.

I never said anything about it stopping with Iraq. My comments were only about Iraq. Where did you see me write that the US would stop it's war on terrorism/war on rogue countries after Iraq?

I didn't.



So don't invent shit.

Yeah, I do. It'll be years of UN resolutions and diplomacy (the Iraqi situation has been going on for over a decade) before we move on to someplace else, if ever.

In all honesty, I'm an isolationist and don't think the US should be involved in this war to begin with. But that doesn't mean that most anti-war people are right, either... most use arguments that are pretty fucking stupid (as do some in the pro-war camp).

Originally posted by CDSmith (a few messages back)
The USA doesn't invade and conquer, so comparing them to Hitler is the actual nonsense here. The only person remotely comparable to Hitler is Saddam himself.



The statement above suggests it is not our agenda to invade and conquer & unless you have links to a college report somewhere proving that, then its hard to say what my government is up to.

Of course I *hope* everything is being done for all the right reasons, I just fear it isn't, or isn't being well thought out.

If there is a propaganda machine, unless its job is to divide the country and the world on the war, then it doesn't seem to be working.




Ok... I guess its your turn to go now right? :glugglug

I don't need evidence. Bush's actions alone speak volumes about what information he has at his disposal. The sheep will be informed of all this information when it is safe to reveal it I'm sure.


If the critics are right, then Bush will have a lot of 'splainin to do won't he? Especially come election time.

But if I'm right, and I think that I am, then all will be revealed at some point and the sheep will shut the fuck up, God-willing.

Postwar Profiteers


Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces!

Do you even know what your point is?


Keep drinking. It'll come to you.

My point is you don't have one.

(and if you were to notice the details of things you would note that this is bottled water - :glugglug - as I don't drink) :winkwink:

The fact that you missed my point entirely fails to surprise me in the least.


You really should try downing a two-six sometime. You obviously have too much blood in your alcohol system.

Great link...

Your just here to take whatever side is short on support I guess?

First you bash me and discount my opinions assuming I'm an alcoholic, and now because I don't drink enough.

And of course, your original post was baited anyway.

The things people will do for free low end electronics. ::sigh::

:winkwink:

Well.. you can "win" because I have tons to do today...including tax prep :(

The truth be told, most negative comments about the war would be better described as "anti-Bushism" not "anti-Americanism".

he always says he has evidence but he can never produce it. does he expect people to just take his word for it?

My political position and my opinion on the USA's posture towards Iraq hasn't changed from the beginning. Again, I'm lost as to where you are drawing your facts. D00d, YOU are the one who posted the :glugglug , not me. I was just taking my cue from you. Of which you seem to have swallowed hook line and sinker. Good going pal, there isn't enough people that swallow in the world in my opinion. :thumbsup

i'm with CD. everyone assumes they know more than the president when it comes to these issues. sorry to say, but things are a bit more complex than most of you would like to think so.

Love is BLIND isn't it? :glugglug

He'd already got lot to explain which he isn't and he won't cos he can get away with that being the only superpower left. Ofcourse, he could always plant evidence in Iraq but in order to do so he has to takeover Iraq first too. Face the fact buddy, if he had any evidence already whatsoever he'd be the biggest blabber mouth about it on earth.

Neways, my question remains.. what makes you better than any other gfyer? Your armchair is an obusforme? Mine is.. with an electric massager too :1orglaugh

Another happy customer of CNN/Fox/ABC/NBC/CBS. :1orglaugh

No, I really DON'T need evidence. Bush's own actions support what I'm saying. Bush's actions do NOT support what his critics are saying.


Big difference.



If he's wrong in the end he will have to answer to the world for it. But since he is a smart man with a strong sense of right and wrong, my opinion is couched in the fact that he has solid reasons for doing what he is doing. Reasons that are as yet unseen to people like you, and me. If you or anyone doesn't like that those reasons remain hidden from you, it's really tough shit for now, and it is probably in your own best interest and in the interest of the USA to keep them from you for the time being.


so suck it up and live with it, or don't live with it and bitch your brains out, all of you. It really makes no difference to me.

I didn't said a word about all this matter and all the war threads, because there's no point. However, is nice to see that Bush shares the intel reports with you. Now, instead of keeping 99% of the world in the shadows of ignorance, why don't you make gazillions of dollars publishing all the information yuou have? :winkwink:

btw, if you know just a little of history (just a little, not much, and not only from US sources), all US political strategy consisted in doing what's best for US no matter what it takes, and then 25-30 years later de-classify documents and say "oops, my mistake".

In short, I won't post anything else but this, there's no point, I know there are millions of US people who's simple, hard working, good people. I've and I had friends and partners (even a son and a former girlfriend) which only try to live their life without making other people miserable. Or without killing them.

And don't come with the bullshit that Bush is going to destroy completely a country in the name of "human rights", not even the dumbest redneck would buy that crap :feels-hot I feel sorry for all the people from Iraq and US who would die just to make Bush and his partners (maybe even Osama Bin Laden, one of his... former? partners) even more richer. If I was an US soldier, I'd give my last generation weapons to him and say: "Go fight your own war"

'freedom is a road seldom travelled by the multitude.'

:glugglug

wow, thats so true. i mean look at you.

He must be god sent then.. prophet? :1orglaugh Hey I don't see him going to war himself.. hope he has a good armchair too? :Graucho

Did you just call G-dub a "Smart Man??" :eek7


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Absolutely stupid comment. Completely out to lunch.


I never said I know something you don't. It is obvious that something motivates Bush, and it is widely known that the US president has access to tons of intelligence reports. The US has operatives in many countries, maybe even EVERY country. CIA, intelligence operatives, counter-intelligence operatives, etc etc etc. It isn't just in movies boyo, it is a known fact. If you think otherwise you are fooling only your own sorry self.

Since bush has access to all of this information and we don't, my only point here is that people should get off their fucking pedestals and realize that the prez probably has reasons for doing what he's doing. Reasons that you or I aren't privy to.



Now get your argument straight befor opening your hole and making yourselves look like morons with a keyboard.

Next.

What are we, back in 1776? Since when is it the president's role to pick up a rifle?


Where are you from seven? D'jibouti?