There's word "sarcasm" in the dictionary look it up please.

From the US living in Canada nowhere close to the lala land called mani-fucking-toba thou :winkwink:

Yes people, ONLY Bush has all the info. Nobody.. I mean NOBODY else on earth.. I mean it now.. rest of the world.. the asswipes.. who do not have the "i" of the word "intelligence" has NO info that our God sent, messenger from God, Prophet Bush has :Graucho

WE ARE NOT WORTHY, WE ARE NOT WORTHY say it to Bush (ie. to CNN USA) people just as the scene from Wayne's World :1orglaugh

as with religion, i take the agnostic point of view.

i think the same should be applied to this war situation.

we don't really know shit, we aren't the president, we're just a bunch of adult webmasters who speculate, just like everyone else.

we get our info from CNN! and all the other news stations, and we also get our info from these half assed sites from self proclaimed experts. what is truth?

with that said, its ignorant to think we KNOW anything. so for those of you who are so strongly oppionated and think you know the facts, you're retarded.

of course we all have opinions, personally i'm a bit more on the pro-war side of things in this particular case. but you fuckers should try and keep an open mind to things, just as i will keep an open mind to the possibility that this war on behalf of the US might not be warrented.

Thank you God.

Oy yoi yoi.


Jug, you're a bananahead. :1orglaugh

He's also very arguably the least qualified president we've ever had.

so basically you're just lazy CDSmith.. you let the president do your thinking for you.

I got better grades in college, never had a drinking problem and did less cocaine. I'm also not a religious freak.

I am better qualified to be POTUS than George Bushlet, the only thing holding me back is lack of a rich daddy who was president before me :(

I got my arguments more straight than you'd ever imagine. Signed with blood, fucking moron. I'm one of the living proofs of the "oops my mistake" policy. Go find the declassified documents for Plan Condor where US supported (and ordered) the dissapearance of more than 200.000 people in Latin America, the so called "missing" or "dissapeared". In those documents you'll find how CIA organized the massacres in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Brasil, Bolivia, Peru, Panama, Colombia, venezuela, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras and some other I'm forgotting. It explicitely says how CIA put Pinochet and Videla as presidents (2 known because of their crimes against humanity), it explicitely says how US embassy in Buenos Aires dated the parents and family of the dissapeared, and they entered thru one door and most of them where trapped and dissapeared too when they leave thru the exit door. But hey, you don't see that on CNN or MTV, you gotta find the NOW PUBLIC information where it is.

Another example: you say "prez has his reasons". Of course he has, nobody tells the opposite. But what makes you think that those reasons are right? Somebody who even American consider as a low IQ person is more enlighted than 99% of the world? Yes, sure. And since when US is governed by a president? Since the middle of 20th century US was just governed by CIA and corporations. Ask Kennedy and Nixon, if in doubt. Even more, US president was the one that DIDN'T WIN the elections. But hey, who cares?

And finally, if those who think different to you aren't allowed to express their opinions, what does it makes you?

Man, I really have nothing about you, I'm firmly convinced that you don't have an idea of what you're talking about. But if it is the case, then you've something to worry. Just get yourself outta your pedestal and don't speak like you've a clue, because you don't. I know 1000 times more than you and most people here about International Affaires because most of my life depended on it and I had (still have) to study thousands of cases involving political violence (including wars). And I don't consider myself qualified enough to speak, then my point (which doesn't look too straight to you, go figure) is why do you consider yourself allowed not only to defend mass murdering (any war is mass murdering), but you entitled yourself as the one who has the truth. Like you said, from your armchair

Peace, I won't post anymore in this subject, so say what you want

CDSmith,

Of course Bush has intellgence that he can't share, but the point of a democracy is that the people are the voice of the nation, not just elected officials. This was an illegitimate presidency and administration anyhow.

Bush has NOT made his case for this war, why do you think the rest of the world other than Britain/Spain/Portugal are vehemently against this war??? Don't try and tell me it's because Germany and France are selling weapons parts to Iraq either... the U.S. funded Bin Laden and gave money, weapons, and intelligence to Saddam that told him where he should fire his chemical weapons in Iran. We've been after Iraq's and Middle East oil for over 80 years, and this war IS NO DIFFERENT. We controlled 23.75% of Iraq's oil after World War I, along with Britain, Holland, and France.

Will you cry for the thousands or tens of thousands of Iraqis that die in this war like you did for the 2500 in New York? I doubt it, you probably don't have a soul. Just tout your bush-shit rhetoric over and over... let's get the war over with you say... let the killing begin... FUCK YOU :321GFY

Ever heard of Mutually Assured Destruction? It's a little policy we used to have that worked.

Do you remember one of the last pre-emptive strikes in world history? Let me remind you... P-E-A-R-L H-A-R-B-O-R... now where did that get the Japanese... ahh yes the Hiroshima... do I have to remind you who dropped those bombs? The only country to ever use WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in battle

drumroll please

:ak47: :ak47:

Wake up people

I live in America and I support our troops... I support them coming home! If we'd put just 1/10 of the soldiers deployed in the Middle East at our borders, airports, and shipping ports... we'd be much safer from terrorism than if we go after Saddam without international support and without an imminent threat.

Peace

[x]

Danny boy, I do not believe you.

Damn...Massivecock has more board names than P i m p Dog.

Yes, and terrorism will increase while the bush familys friends and associates will literally make billions of dollars off of this. Not to mention bush attempting to divert attention from his pitiful domestic policy.

Sure komrade. Sure thing. Feel better now, after calling me a "fucking moron" do you? I'm thinking your mother had an "oops, my mistake" policy when she had you... let's see if you prove me right..... Let's stick to the issue at hand shall we? No one is disputing that the US has had to manipulate events in other countries to suit it's own purposes, but this issue is THIS issue. Focus. Fight the urge to give in to your attention deficit disorder.... What makes you so sure those reasons are wrong? Where is 12clicks when you need him? You seem to be doing just fine expressing your opinion... who's stopping you? Certainly not me. Another very useless non-point by you. Any more?..... Oh god, can I puke now? You have no clue as to my background in this area of study, so making comments on what I know is.... utterly foolish on your part, and attempting to prop up your credibility isn't working either. Next....... I would have to agree with you on this point. So, by your standard, the allied forces in 1944 fighting against Hitler and Hirohito were "mass murderers" ?? Okay then.

The allied forces that fought 12 years ago to push the Iraqi army out of Kuwait were nothing but mass murderers? Same with those that fought to stabilize the Kosovo region??

My points in this thread are simple, and are irrefutable. The US president DOES have a wealth of intel reports to base his decisions on, and neither you nor I are privy to the contents of those reports. I would imagine that such reports are also substantiated and corroborated many times over by different sources, so as to minimize error. Anything less would be unbecoming a president. How you can argue about this is beyond me. Nice tactic. Say your peace, shout names and insults, puff your chest about how much more knowledge you possess than the rest of us, then run away for fear that I might actually reply to your foolishness?


Good one. Good luck with your *studies*.

CD,
Damn man! There you go again with your worthless mumbo jumbo :(

I'll only answer to the moron thing since is personal: maybe you'd start by not insulting me like in your first reply where you call me stupid and moron.

Anyway, couldn't care less, just go and live your life, you're right on everything, be happy :glugglug If it makes you feel better, you can insult me, my mother and my family, really don't care. For all posterity I say and I will always say you're a clear minded, intelligent person, sorry for all the annoyances, don't know what I was thinking

Comon man you know he really is the most knowledgeable gfy poster. It's just that he takes help of name calling when his knowledge hits a brick wall :winkwink:

lol, I see my comments flew right over your head.

Lets try it again. My argument was not that Bush is like Hitler. My point what that YOUR argument could be used to exempt ANY LEADER from criticism, therefore it is invalid.

Essentially you are a hypocrite. You want to ascribe to Bush all this secret knowledge and insider information -- information you have not the slightest clue he actually has -- and that is all well and good, but what happens when you want to criticze some leader and someone else uses your own argument against you?

You'll either have to falsify your own argument (the hypocrisy part), or admit that no one.. including yourself.. is able to criticise any leader, because there is always the possibility that said leaders apparently irrational, cruel actions are really quite rational in light of the "secret information" he posesses.

Hence, as I said before, if you were alive in early 1940's Germany you could have used the same argument to defend Hitler. Or Stalin. Or any other despot.

Hit the jackpot right there :thumbsup

A few ass gnats on this thread needed a severe clue impalement too.

Thanks Carrie.

if he has all this super sharp intel, how come he didn't know about 9-11 and why do they keep foisting this fake shit on us like the college paper, the paper-mache drone and that faked report from the Italians?

if this man is so brilliant why couldn't name one leader of any foreign country except Mexico in debates with Gore?

Face it, the man is a stone idiot who only got the presidency because of his family. He's totally unqualified and he's proving that he's totally unfit. I just hope he doesn't get us in a war with China and 'Old Europe' before we get him out of office.

"In the 38th chapter of Ezekiel, it says that the land of Israel will come under attack by the armies of the ungodly nations, and it says that Libya will be among them. Do you understand the significance of that? Libya has now gone Communist, and that's a sign that the day of Armageddon isn't far off.
"Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didn't seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly.

"For the first time ever, everything is in place for the battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. It can't be too long now. Ezekiel says that fire and brimstone will be rained upon the enemies of God's people. That must mean that they will be destroyed by nuclear weapons."

Ronald Reagan 1971

Saddam's move to gas the Kurds is a great talking point for some U.S. propagandists who gleefully note that the "Butcher of Baghdad" has "gassed his own people." The Kurds were poisoned mostly with Mustard Gas, which blisters the skin and lungs, as well as Nerve Agents and good old-fashioned cyanide.

The downside to the whole "gassing his own people" angle is, of course, that the United States under President Ronald Reagan was actively supporting Iraq with logistical and military assistance at the time, in one of those little "proxy wars" with the Soviets that always turned out so well.

In the late 1980s, Reagan dispatched a very special envoy to the Middle East, one Donald Rumsfeld, who wined and dined Saddam even as the dictator was slicing and dicing the Kurds. Rumsfeld claims he warned Saddam about those bad old chemical weapons at the time, but the warning somehow got lost between his uttering it and the notes he submitted to the State Department describing the meeting.

U.S. companies were recruited and encouraged, both covertly and overtly, to ship poisonous chemicals and biological agents to Iraq, by the administrations of both Reagan and George Bush Sr., according to the Washington Post and numerous other reports. The CIA also followed up on these efforts with various military and intelligence assists.

U.S. care packages to Saddam included sample strains of anthrax and bubonic plague, which must have seemed like a really fucking great idea to someone at the time. With U.S. assistance and on its own initiative, Iraq also reportedly developed new and improved toxins, such as ricin and sarin gas.

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/di...addam-hussein/

I don't think he is an idiot. He knows exactly what he is doing.

The US isn't as free as we are led to believe. Our constitutional rights are being systematically stripped away by deceptive laws posed to protect us from terrorism. A patriot act here and a VAWA there and the next thing you know, we are going to jail on a word and our thoughts are policed. I hope that America is going to war for the right reasons, and the truth will likely be revealed in the end. We'll just have to wait and see.

So to you - If you support the President - you are just thinking what you are told to think huh?

Who told you to think that way?


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