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chodadog 03-11-2003 10:32 PM

Religious question. Age of the earth?
 
Hey, i know there are a few people here that are pretty clued up when it comes to biblical text and whatnot. I see a lot of people dismissing the bible, 'cause they say, according to the text, the earth was created in 4004 BC.

So i did a little bit of research about the topic, and i discovered that the 4004 BC date actually comes from the conclusions of one Anglican Bishop Ussher. Basically, to be taken with a grain of salt (or two).

<i>You may find 4004 B.C. in the margin of some Bibles printed years ago, but that date originated in the mind of Anglican Bishop Ussher, and his conclusions are much more specific than the text demands.</i>

What i wanted to know was this. Is there actually an accepted age for the earth within religious texts? Or is it very much open to interpretation?

FATPad 03-11-2003 10:35 PM

4004 BC is 28028 BC in dog years.

Zebra 03-11-2003 10:41 PM

It's been around since last Tuesday.
I have it on the highest authority.

Shhhh.. don't tell Mickey Mouse I was giving away the secrets of the universe. He might not tell them to me anymore..

BRISK 03-11-2003 10:42 PM

Geez, those sure were the days back then...I remember this one day God had just finished creating the oceans and he was like "hey guys, check out what I just did," so me, John, and Paul went down to the shore and we double-dog-dared Paul to go in the ocean, so he did, and then this shark bit him on the ass.

Aaaaahhhhh.....that story sure takes me back.

Gutterboy 03-11-2003 10:51 PM

Young earth creationists believe that the earth was created within the last 10,000 years, and that a worldwide, catastrophic flood can account for the fossil record and plate tectonics and other phenomena that make the earth seem old.

There is no hard & fast date given, just a general agreement that the days of creation mentioned in Genesis were literal, 24 hour days. They assume a priori that the bible is infallible, so if it says 24 hour days, 24 hour days it is. Standard geological dating be damned.

PerfectionGirls 03-11-2003 11:00 PM

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Young earth creationists believe that the earth was created within the last 10,000 years, and that a worldwide, catastrophic flood can account for the fossil record and plate tectonics and other phenomena that make the earth seem old.
Interesting.

MattO 03-11-2003 11:19 PM

Peruse the talk.origins site for juicy facts that the x'ians don't like.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

Toker 03-11-2003 11:21 PM

It's 7 days older than porn and just before Dole invented the internet!

chodadog 03-11-2003 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by MattO
Peruse the talk.origins site for juicy facts that the x'ians don't like.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html

How has that got anything to do with what i asked? Check your smart assed comments at the door. Guess what, i also took junior science when i was about 12 years old.

Joe Sixpack 03-11-2003 11:32 PM

Some of these young earth creationists also believe in a flat earth because of a couple of biblical passages.

These people are intellectual terrorists.

Thrawn$ 03-11-2003 11:37 PM

The earth was created when jupiter enter the system.
jupiter hits mars and destroy life on it, so the earth was created after by pieces of mars and jupiter and venus!

Then people on mars who survive come down to the earth and starts again (the Atlantid) But a war with mass destrution weapon against alien change the earth's north and shout Pole of place. then the atlantid civilisation was destroyed and aliens take over the humanity. Now the humanity is under aliens controle and they created a new human/alien hybrid race to control us and be the king of countries etc..

The hybrid are royal families like in england and some europe countries and also big families like bush, rockafeller, sinclair, bronsfman.

God is alien and god gives to these families the right to comand us, those families created the big religion to have the complete controle over the population. they use secret society to keep the power in the family...

:smokin

MattO 03-11-2003 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog


How has that got anything to do with what i asked? Check your smart assed comments at the door. Guess what, i also took junior science when i was about 12 years old.


...sheesh, sorry for pointing to a page called "Age of the Earth" I must have misread the topic of the thread.

Oh yea, there's that word "Religious" in it.

Ironhorse 03-11-2003 11:50 PM

These are kid stories. Why don't you get yourself some real books from the library.

chodadog 03-12-2003 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by MattO



...sheesh, sorry for pointing to a page called "Age of the Earth" I must have misread the topic of the thread.

Oh yea, there's that word "Religious" in it.

Are you really this thick? I want an answer, from a religious point of view. I thought that was made abundantly clear by my first post. Did you even read it? That is what i am looking for. You are giving me an answer i already know, and did not ask for. You fucking twit.

theking 03-12-2003 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by Gutterboy
Young earth creationists believe that the earth was created within the last 10,000 years, and that a worldwide, catastrophic flood can account for the fossil record and plate tectonics and other phenomena that make the earth seem old.

There is no hard & fast date given, just a general agreement that the days of creation mentioned in Genesis were literal, 24 hour days. They assume a priori that the bible is infallible, so if it says 24 hour days, 24 hour days it is. Standard geological dating be damned.

You are correct except I will mention that it is only fundalmentalists that belive the 24 hour day and the infallibility of the Bible.

To answer Chodadog's question. Not all fundalmentalists agree on Ussher's date, but almost all fundalmentalists believe the creation began within the time frame that Ussher presented and there are various dates presented. Usually a date is established by picking, what is thought to be, a known event in time and tracking Biblical geneology from that point in time.

hybrid 03-12-2003 12:28 AM

You're all cockroaches.

chodadog 03-12-2003 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by theking


You are correct except I will mention that it is only fundalmentalists that belive the 24 hour day and the infallibility of the Bible.

To answer Chodadog's question. Not all fundalmentalists agree on Ussher's date, but almost all fundalmentalists believe the creation began within the time frame that Ussher presented and there are various dates presented. Usually a date is established by picking, what is thought to be, a known event in time and tracking Biblical geneology from that point in time.

Interesting. Thanks. If anyone else has any more info, please contribute.

MetaMan 03-12-2003 02:32 AM

im not sure about age but one of the coolest theories about the moon that i have heard is that the earth was one giant planet (much bigger then it is now)

and a smaller planet when out of the solar loop and crashed into the top of the earth creating wat is now the moon

DarkJedi 03-12-2003 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by hybrid
You're all cockroaches.
A smart comment from a 12 year old who cannot comprehend what the fuck the adults are talking about, yet who wants participate in the discussion.
Go back to watching cartoons lad.

MetaMan 03-12-2003 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi


A smart comment from a 12 year old who cannot comprehend what the fuck the adults are talking about, yet who wants participate in the discussion.
Go back to watching cartoons lad.

i like cartoons

chodadog 03-12-2003 06:19 AM

So, are there any fundamentalist christians that believe the earth is millions of years old?

gothweb 03-12-2003 06:42 AM

Interesting fact. The Pope gave a great answer to this question, with regards to creation, the big bang, evolution, etc.

He said that the Creation story in the Bible is an Allegory. It didn't really literally happen that way. He also said that, therefore, science gives us the most reasonable answer as to how god created the Universe, and life, and man... and how long it took him to do so.

So, according to Catholic Law, the earth is about 5 billion years old, and the universe is about 13 billion years old, and man evolved from goo.

chodadog 03-12-2003 07:12 AM

Now that is interesting. I had no idea the catholic church officially supported the big bang theory. Just did a bit of research to confirm the quote, and it is indeed true.

theking 03-12-2003 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
So, are there any fundamentalist christians that believe the earth is millions of years old?
No. That would be a contradiction. Fundamentalists believe the Bible to be the literal, inerrant, infallible word of God and believe the geneology listed in the Bible provides a timeline for the creation. In these modern times there are fewer and fewer fundametalists and more and more Christians that allow for other than a literal interpretation of the Bible and do believe in an Old Earth.

chodadog 03-12-2003 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by theking


No. That would be a contradiction. Fundamentalists believe the Bible to be the literal, inerrant, infallible word of God and believe the geneology listed in the Bible provides a timeline for the creation. In these modern times there are fewer and fewer fundametalists and more and more Christians that allow for other than a literal interpretation of the Bible and do believe in an Old Earth.

Heh, silly question in retrospect. Cheers.


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