Meanwhile in Kiev
 

Maidan is back :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Don't worry, if west don't support them, it will be cleaned in hours

just need to label them " terrorists "....

Nah, the ukrainian army is busy killing civilians in Donetsk

Residential block hit by #Ukraine artillery in #Donetsk just now - https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/497306748714512384

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#Donetsk dentist hospital hit by #Ukraine artillery an hour ago - https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/497309163786371073

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Shrapnel from the site - https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/497313926305300480

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Wohngebiet in #Donetsk. Dieses Haus wurde am Vormittag von mindestens sechs Artillerie-Granaten getroffen #Ukraine - https://twitter.com/DEmmerich/status/497304852176064512

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Zum Zeitpunkt des Artillerie-Beschusses um 10 Uhr waren nur wenige Bewohner im Haus. Viele haben #Donetsk verlassen - https://twitter.com/DEmmerich/status/497321897781374976

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#Donetsk. Auch Krankenhaus 100m weiter wurde von Artillerie-Granaten getroffen. Min. 1 Toter, 6 Verletzte #Ukraine - https://twitter.com/DEmmerich/status/497322589664976896

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Many dead...

i assume this would not happen if russian terrorists stopped occupying ukrainian territory

Putin likes

Correct.

He seems to be obsessed by this conflict. Doubt he is from Slovakia.

That was a good joke, man :thumbsup :1orglaugh

i love a good joke - especially when people get killed in the process

/sarcasm

I know. This is why I wouldn't recommend you to joke this way somewhere on the Eastern Ukraine or in Crimea. The guys who live there (you are used to call them Russian terrorists) get very nervous when somebody starts kidding like you did it above (I think they just have no sense of humor or so...) There is a Russian-speaking webmaster board called master-x and there are many Ukrainian and Belorussian citizens. And you know what? The most anti-Ukrainian members there are those who live on the East of the Ukraine and in Crimea. What an irony, ah? :)

https://twitter.com/euromaidan

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wow man, what the hell is wrong with you?!

Ukrainian army regularly commit war crimes against civilians - http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/u...ling-civilians

Ukraine has kicked the entire Communist Party out of its parliament, now-broken Party of Regions won 30%, Communist Party won 13% of vote in last election. Surely, those voters deserve to be represented? Not??!

And you blame the Russians? About 730,000 Ukrainians have left the country for Russia this year - http://news.yahoo.com/730-000-left-u...101007405.html

It is clear what is going on. Generalplan Ost -> Ukraine's Land Agency give land to soldiers in the east for free - http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...ee-352100.html

Similarity, eh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

They are fighting for their freedom in the east and an idiots calls them terrorists.

+ Ukraine is sabotaging the investigation into Malaysian plane.

#MH17 Being polite, the Dutch have not blamed anyone (yet) but it is clear the Ukrainian government has violated its promise ab a local /
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/ ceasefire in order to facilitate the search for victims and their possessions. Thanks a lot, Kiev, we Dutch won't forget this...
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When only the rebels were in the area, the recovery of bodies could proceed normally. Also: Kiev *promised* a local ceasefire in /
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/ a direct phone call between Dutch PM Rutte and Ukr. president Poroshenko. So much for the value of his word...
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btw, 3 weeks passed but Kiev still keeps the ATC data in secret.

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i call the 2 russians terrorists that play the separatist leader at the moment. they have russian passports, they do not live in the Ukraine and still they meddle with peoples lifes in a (to them) foreign country. why are they even there?

Guess being a pro-Russian terrorist and separatist is OK for you, wow, that makes you a whole aspirant for the Nobel peace prize. :1orglaugh

So you are a Russian living in Slovakia?

Isn't it correct that the majority of Slovaks are against your pro-Putin views? :2 cents:

looks like a pretty wild iron maiden concert, tires burning and everything

some people clearly have anger management issues but no one answers my question

i have no dog in this fight - i have russian and ukrainian friends - i am just asking what at least 2 russian terrorists are doing in the Ukraine and why they are leading the separatists.

anyone care to address that?

Exactly.

The Moscow Times: 'Ukrainian Rebels' Aren't Ukrainian nor Rebels

People who come from abroad and meddle with peoples lives in a foreign country - they are called Israelis .

Israelis with Russian passports?

There are few american "terrorist" on other side teaching ukrainian nazi tactics, so why not help other side for balance?

Oops or oops I did it again? :winkwink:

Google is your friend: https://www.google.com/search?q=greystone+ukraine - I don't think those terrorists have a Russian citizenship ;)

^^^^ this

i try to see this as neutral as possible, i think the whole situation is fucked up. but somehow no one wants to answer the question what those guys are doing there.

they do - you can keep denying as much as you want

and i even add a few smilies, you seem to like them: :winkwink: :winkwink:

I do not deny the US involvement there.

i take this back - only one russian now- Borodai stepped down:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-985062.html

One Russian against the 400 US elite mercenaries? He must be a real tough guy then :winkwink:

I'm slovakian hungarian. I have nothing to do with Russia, definitely not pro-Putin, I'm pro-slovakian. Slovakia's interests are in doing business with Russia. We have no interests in Ukraine.

I'm not going to write 1000-word reply but here's speech by Sahra Wagenknecht in the German parliament/Bundestag. I agree with her 100%. start at 5:23



The sanctions will destroy us, while US & US's companies are laughing. This is all US plan. US sponsored Coup d'Etat in Ukraine that overthrew democratic elected president and they installed a puppet dictator Poroshenko, who kill civilians.

How many times has it happened in Latin-America, Africa, Middle-East..? Here's the map.

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What's next? My country?

in Syrya and Lybia - freedom fighters against bloody tiran
in Donetsk and Lygansk - bloody terrorist against true democratia
double standarts, no?

You forgot about the freedom fighters from the Western Ukraine who burn police alive during the previous Maidan. I said "previous" because the another one just started yesterday. Who those guys are? Freedom fighters again or terrorists again?

MaDalton, man there is a porridge in your head right now. Stop watching all that propaganda at CNN, Fox, DW, BBC and RT. Watch youtube videos shot by local citizens in the Ukraine. Read the blogs run by the Ukrainians citizens from both sides. Speak to your friend in the Ukraine. Believe me, the situation there is not as simple as it being shown by the media.

i neither condone what any of those sites do nor do i believe that this is just good vs. evil

i am asking why russian nationals lead the separatists and no one has answered that question yet

and you guys could do me a favor and drop your condescending attitude

and now have fun for the day, i will be attending a wedding and enjoy my life

It is sad that a little dictator with a small dick complex is putting the whole World on the edge of some serious shit. And the saddest part is that he doesn’t do it for Russia since so far the Russians have benefited exactly nothing from the conflict and lost a lot, but to boost up his own rating.

Yuppie, Putin has 89% approval rating. Guess, what? That North Korean guy has 99%, Putin has a long way to go, maybe he should grab some more land from his neighbors.

Please give the definition of "russian nationals". Sorry but nobody will answer to a question which has no definition.

And that's true. He's got such a rating only because of the Maidan revolution. These Ukrainian idiots made an outstanding gift to him (yeah, those 100 people that died on Maidan, actually died for the Putin's rating). His rating was falling down like a rock during the list time. 100'000 of people only in Moscow were coming to the streets to say "Putin is a thief", "Putin must be sued" etc. Just look at these pictures:

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But it all has changed because of euromaidan idiots. Those who died for Putin's rating there. Did they change something for the Ukraine for a good? No, they have replaced one oligarch with another one. They have started a civilian war, lost Crimea and they are continue to go down to the stone edge. The only person who's got a personalprofit from euromaidan is Putin.

It is very difficult to tell the difference, after all the West for years called Khrushchev "The Russian Leader" even though he was Ukrainian.

How the needs of propaganda change

This is a question I addressed yo MaDalton. No answer so far...

BTW, the previous "Russian" leader was Stalin (in fact Soviet leader). He was an ethnic Georgian who killed more Russians than Hitler. But if you listen to the Western media, you will get a strong feeling that Georgia was in occupation by Russia :upsidedow

2Antonio: You are Bulgarian, right? Do you also think that you've been occupied by Russia? Or maybe Russians have saved the whole your nation from a Turkish genocide like they saved Georgians, Ukrainians and Armenians years ago?

P.S. Your memory is too short, guys :2 cents:

Are you serious? Did international spectators report some major violations during last president elections?
Compare to USA - 2 actual candidates backed up by huge corporate money. Same as in Russia.
Don't you think they are all assholes? Why do you blame only Putin?

Thanks for the explanation. I understand your views, but I don't agree with them.

Sahra Wagenknecht is an old communist and she is way too extreme for anyone to take her seriously. Her pro-Russia / pro-USSR bias is crystal clear.

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Sorry, but Sahra's opinions are simply too extreme. She sympathizes with despots who were much more brutal than Jozef Tiso.

What you are doing is just name calling, "communist, too extreme "

Listen to what she is saying, is she telling the truth, are her facts correct ?

"extreme, communist, terrorist " are propaganda words to stop people thinking, not part of a real debate.

The most important thing is what the majority wants.. That is democratic.

Fuck the pro-Russian terrorists, hope the army will take care of them.

If your final thesis is about Karl Marx and you are politically active in a communistic party, then it is correct to label her as a communist.

"terrorist" is a word that you injected into this conversation. Nobody except you has claimed that Sahra is a "terrorist".

Her "facts" are only telling one side of the story.

Most people do not understand what the word communist means because it was used by the West to mean big bad bogey man. Just like terrorist.

What she is saying is her POV but a view that is not the one that is normally heard and that is why it is worth listening to.

everything I have to say I have already said in this thread - even the reason why I didnt bother to get back to this thread (and GFY in total) yesterday.

the only answer missing is the one to my original question but I gave up on that since I have nothing to expect but smokescreens and avoidance

but if that makes you feel better than simply admitting that you don't know either why the guys are there - so be it

and I can't believe you're discussing Sahra Wagenknecht - hilarious

many things could be said here but i leave that to our resident communist Cherry7

my time is too valuable for that

Maybe the reason no one answered your questioned was because it was of the type "Do you beat your wife often?"

Your question contained the assertion to the rebel leaders were Russian nationals, do you have evidence of that?

Also as Russia and Ukraine have been without borders for hundreds of years many people have family in both countries, very much like England Wales and Scotland.

The US and European leaders being involved in Ukrainian affairs is new but the influence of Russia and the Ukraine on each other has been going on for hundreds of years.

It has been wonderful the support the US and European political figures have been giving to the Scottish Independence movement, and I look forward to them supporting the Catalans.

... you left out the Kurds !!!!:thumbsup