it is not even a secret that both Borodai and Strelkow/Girkin are russian nationals with russian passports...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Borodai

so as usual just deflecting and denying and no answer about what or who made those guys interfere in the Ukraine

or you're just stupid (or ignorant) for not knowing this until now - that is also a possibility

a great deal of people in that area with russian passports. but, whatever right?

meanwhile, the Ukrainian side is targeting chemical plants with hurricane heavy artillery that will eventually cause an ecological disaster that will cover a square 300 km area.. including where the investigation is going.

but hey. the rebel leaders have passports. lets talk about that.

Euro Renovation in Progress

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Do you understand that your post above is a nonsense? At first you have stated that democracy is will of the majority. In fact the majority in Crimea and Western Ukraine do not want to live in same country with the Western so-called pro-EU neo-NAZIs like MrDiez (as you may note, he is a typical fascist). After that you say "fuck 'em". And where is the logic? Fuck the democracy? Here you go man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

I did ask you a straight question. And I didn't ask something that you said already.

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You are dead right I feel ignorant about the situation in the Ukraine, how can anyone feel informed when all sources of information are hell bent on disinformation.

I was on a demonstration about Gaza with thousands of others on Saturday, I watched both Channel 4 news and BBC not a word. Russia Today had it covered as well as demonstrations in Paris and Berlin.

I am sure that Russia is involved in the Ukraine's affairs, but that is not helped by the West's blatant interference and regime change.

As the resident communist I call for ALL foreign forces to stay out of the Ukraine and for all the oligarchs to be striped of the wealth and power they have stolen. For free elections and democratic control of the economy.

Cuba decided it wanted a different economic model and to ally itself with the Soviet Union, did the West respect its right to do that as in independent country? No, it attacked it and blockaded it, and it still does.

Russians are among the members of an ethnic-Russian militia in a Russian-majority area of Ukraine, bordering Russia? Scary stuff!


Ukrainian army is fighting side by side with neo-Nazis (and foreign fighters) against their own people. But you don't have a problem with that, so you're just being an ignorant.

few articles from the last few days, Kiev's openly neo-Nazi battalion leads Donetsk invasion

English: Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...paratists.html

German: Neonazis im Auftrag der Regierung
http://www.fr-online.de/ukraine/ukra...,28083302.html

Danish: Ekstremister kæmper for en plads ved fronten
http://www.b.dk/globalt/ekstremister...ds-ved-fronten

For ignorant people like you, neo-Nazi battalion in action




You were absolutely right. VICE's report



pro-Russia bias?? Sahra is a far-left, Russia is ruled by oligarchs..

+ Die Linke is the third strongest in German politics

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2MaDalton, I think it somehow related with your hereditary memory. You are inadvertently support NAZI and trying to blame evil commies from Russia. That's actually a normal thing (you can not control your subconscious), so I have no questions to you. It's ok, man.

deflecting, denying and now insulting... nice.

but no one answers what 2 dudes from Moscow do there

i could point to my post form page 1 again: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20185096&postcount=18

but obviously no one cares what i say when it doesn't fit the agenda

but feel free to insult me and call me Nazi as much as you want - besides your small colony of followers like Cherry, Evy and a couple of others, no one bothers anyways

It is not really a very big question when everyone agrees that lots of countries are interfering in the Ukraine.

And to ask a question you yourself want to answer is well.. a bit childish.

MaDalton is right.
Why do the "Ukrainian" separatist leaders have Russian nationality and Russian passports?

It is obvious that some of the Russia-supporters here don't want to answer that simple question.

Because, let's be honest for a moment. They are not "separatists", but instead it is a regular Russian invasion. Just like the "anonymous" Russian soldiers in Crimea - the so-called "little green men".

Why is it so difficult for the Russians to simply say the truth? Instead they will always try to change the topic: "Look at the USA/America/Nato/EU/Santa Claus blah blah blah".

I think people have tried to answer that question. The question is do you think a foreign solder with his foreign passport and nationality could operate in a town without a degree of support from the local people?

Do you think that all of the Ukrainians support what has happened in Kiev?

I do not support the right wing capitalist government of Russia or the USA.

Dude there are people from all over the world on both sides - solders of fortune, why are you so surprised? They are not official russian military forces , right?

Why it is do hard for USA to say - yes it is our hands behind Ukraine crisis from the beginning? And for dozen other civil wars. You are so naive.

Kiev, Gaza... Iraq.... this list just keeps getting bigger and bigger

it's time to spin around the circle

I was expecting that they will detonate bomb at the end and become martyrs...but nothing happened.

Perhaps because the ukraine (окраина) was a part of Russia for 100's of years and these guys just can't accept it as an "independant" country, at least because they were born in Russia and they are much older than the whole urkainian country? I do not support them but just trying to answer to your question. It's like Texas or Bavaria/Catalonia etc will declare its independence tomorrow.

I believe this picture says it all:

http://euromaydan.in/wp-content/uplo...QnCQAATF6i.jpg

CyberSEO should be ignored massively due to his supporting Russian invasion.

I believe this more accurate...

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You call for it? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm sure your thoughts will get all the attention they deserve.

If Russia was against Ukraine's independence, then why did Russian Federation sign the Budapest Memorandum on December 5, 1994, and agree to respect that Ukraine is a sovereign country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear...ns_and_Ukraine

Because of american-puppet president Yeltsin?

Like asking why did the West say they were not going to expand NATO eastward .

you forgot to add "drunk". (just what west liked and needed)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkay...war-has-begun/

'Why CIA Director Brennan Visited Kiev: In Ukraine The Covert War Has Begun'

treaties go both ways.. yes?

http://www.msnbc.com/all/why-was-cia-chief-kiev

'CIA presence in Ukraine gives the wrong impression, senator warns'

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/...j-vs-congress/

'Spying, lying and torture: Obama, CIA, DOJ vs Congress'

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get it tho. evil fucking red soviet russians. why even bother thinking about the rendition programs, the 'disappear you' programs, the 'kill americans without trial' programs.. these are scary things.

wayyyyyyyyyy easier pretending we live in the 80s and everything is a-ok and getting drafted really is a good thing cause we no longer even need to think for ourselves.

tell me

are you patriotic?

So what? It was signet by Yelsin, not by Girkin or Boroday. When Yeltsin, Kuchma and Kravchuk simple divided the USSR to the independent countries (everyone of them wanted to be a "king" is his own land), they didn't ask all that millions of people if they want do live in different countries or not. Do you know what democracy is?

Democracy is when you got new violently organized government, to suddenly ban Russian language and go on TV and say that you will kill all Russians or Jews, right?

Because Western leaders are pathological liars, while Gorbachev was too naive to understand that :2 cents:

And here we go :winkwink:

Putin sure doesn't.. or he probably does.. just doesn't care for it.

Instead he's more interested in feeding you idiot Russians lies through government controlled media and killing any of his rivals...and trying to steal other peoples lands under false pretenses... :upsidedow

Heil Hitler

Putin? Is this thread about him? Maybe the question was somehow related to him? Why Putin, why not Nelson Mandela, Bush Jr. or Pinochet? I didn't get what you wanted to say with your post. If you want to discuss Putin, just create another thread. Why do you try to off-top here?

I guess that's why the hundreds of thousands of pro western Ukraines filling up the streets managed to kick out the Moscow planted President?

I've been to Ukraine and only a complete fool would want to live there under Moscow rule instead of Western rule.. same goes for that third world communist shit hole known as Russia... Russians are so drunk or so used to being abused that they can't see straight anymore.

You know.. the one who ran back to Russia after getting thrown out

No, I don't know. Tell us about him please. Because I always supposed to think that Yanukovich was democratically elected in the democratic Ukraine ruled by democratic president Youshenko and democratic prime minister Timoshenko. Do you try to tell us it wasn't so?

what this means?

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In the treaties you refer to both USA and Russian Federation have agreed to respect Ukraine's borders and sovereignty and to provide assistance to Ukraine if someone is threatening the sovereignty of Ukraine.

The links you posted say that CIA has provided Ukraine with intelligence. That is correct and already agreed in the treaties, which Russia have signed.

Let's not forget another thing. At that same time Russian special forces Spetsnaz had already infiltrated Ukraine's territory and were doing missions against Ukraine. That is not allowed according to the agreement.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...e-ukraine.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...astern-ukraine

You mean the president who gave power to Putin?

We have all seen the drunk/drugged Yeltsin, but who's puppy was he? Let's not forget that Vladimir Putin was the head of KGB at that time. Master of poisoning (just look what Putin did to his critic Alexander Litvinenko)

Funny coincidence that Yeltsin, looking drunk, suddenly announces that Putin will take over as president. No elections, just an immediate change of president.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/4102107.stm

(As you see Putin was NOT initially elected democratically. He made a covert coup d'état.)

The two links you give DON'T give proof of Russian involvement, they talk about a campaign by the Ukrainian govt to convince the US of it.

The Guardian points out that people in the East support the rebels.

Remember the babies being thrown out of Kuwait's incubators -propaganda for the 1st Gulf war?

so, paying protestors to overthrow a democratically elected government is... respecting the sovereignty of the nation?

don't you find it curious that the original maidan got heavy news coverage, but the current maidan against our western-friendly government is all 'rioters' and has no coverage at all?

in fact, if we really get into this conversation, they are all 'undercover russian operatives'.

oddly coincidental.

but, you seem like a smart guy. once i find a western back media corp, you know, the ones owned by just 6 corporations over the entire western hemisphere, that discusses detailed evidence of our breaking international law, destabilizing democracy, and entirely incriminates us

ill let you know.

btw, has our western friendly government stopped their military actions so we can properly proceed with the mh17 investigations? i believe these 'evil russian rebels' were waiting to hear about a ceasefire in order to let the international bodies do their jobs.

once again,for all those who missed (there is Ukrainian part)

Yeltsin surrendered his presidency (yes he was fucking drunk puppet and I think had no choice, but to leave ). But dude open Wiki and read:
" Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin resigned unexpectedly. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election and was re-elected in 2004. "

He was elected as president by the constitution.

Sad but true :2 cents:

He meant majority in the country no in every single region or city. Unless you want to give the right to separate to every region and city in Russia.
Last ones who tried were Chechens.