Canadas Health Care system so bad Rob Ford seeks treatment in US
 

So he flies to Chicago and was turned away.

"If a Canadian admits to a border official that the purpose of their visit is to attend a rehab clinic, it?s going to raise issues of whether or not the Canadian has been convicted of a drug offence or committed an act that will result in a finding of inadmissibility. And it?s discretionary as to whether or not the officer can bar him. The admission of the purpose of going to the U.S. for rehab could result in a refusal."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...rder-1.2633179

So my question to you Canadians is do you not have treatment centers that can deal with addiction problems. Why would he need to seek help in the US?

In all fairness, I wish getting treatment was faster. I had to bring my mom in a couple of times. You go to Emergency, and if its not an emergency, you are forced to wait. 4-6 hours is typical. The longest was 8 hours. They take real emergencies instantly of course.

However after she was admitted, diagnosis and treatment was fast and free. Even the operation and X-rays etc, were all free for her.

The only problem with it is that doctors and nurses are underpaid for the work they do, and, it would be nice to see shorter wait times. Other than that, can't really complain.

You did not explain why he would seek treatment in the US. It was not an emergency, he's a high profile politician why not get help in Canada even if he pays out of pocket?

You are ridiculous - Canadian nurses by the thousands make $100,000 a year - probably the fastest career path to a six figure income in Canada - 4 years post high school education.

As for doctors, $250,000-500,000 is hardly 'underpaid'. The doctors who work in ER are mostly interns and residents, they make less because that's how it is for medical students and doctors in training everywhere.

Prestige and quality, Rob Ford is a pretty rich guy, he can afford to go to the best. Not to mention there's nowhere in Canada where the media wouldn't find him.

Canada has decent rehab centers.

He is a moron ( just like you ) , that is why ...

As for our healthcare , I got doctors, appointments without any problem, but I am not an addict , just heart problems .... that I cannot cure myself by being responsible .

I don't know. I don't know the guy and I don't know what is available in Ontario, and I haven't been following him on the news because I don't care. I can assume though that he didn't find what he wanted in Ontario. Maybe there wasn't enough privacy, or maybe he wanted treatment faster, or maybe he wants fake treatment and can't get it unless he bribes an American, who knows?

How is anyone supposed to explain what Rob Ford does?

Rob Ford is almost certainly going to a private clinic and its location has little to do with any healthcare system.

The difference between Canadian and American healthcare systems in the simplest form is this:

Americans pay more per capita than Canadian's do for healthcare in general. Americans pay the highest per capita for healthcare World wide at about $7500 per person. Canadians spend about $4000 per person on healthcare. Everybody pays in to the system at a fairly low fixed rate, depending on your income. You can't be denied coverage and you can't choose not to have it either.

Dentistry, vision and prescriptions are not part of the public system, at least in BC, but many people buy coverage for these or it's paid for by your employer. Most employers cover the basic medical services fee as part of the compensation package.

Americans have access to a two tier healthcare system, with both public and private facilities. Canadian's, generally speaking, do not have access to private medical facilities in Canada but they are free to travel to the United States and pay for services.

Canada has Universal healthcare and everybody is covered. The United states has an estimated roughly 15% uninsured rate.

Waiting for 4-6 hours? In clinic after you were delivered there by emergency? WTF is that??? :helpme

In my country emergency means emergency (literally). It's free and it's FAST.

Hmm,so that means Canada is not promise land? :upsidedow

So does in every country of Europe.

Back in December I was very sick and went to the urgent care clinic to be seen. It was a 4 hour wait. They literally asked if I lived locally. When I said yes they suggested I leave a phone number and go home and they would call me when they were getting close to getting to me.

When I got inside the doctor spent about 5 minutes with me. He told me I had bronchitis (which I assumed) wrote me prescriptions and sent me on my way. Total cost $445 not counting the cost of medicine.

This is the answer to the OP's question.

Pretty much all true except for the fact that there are private facilities in Canada as well. It's just not as prominent but I have family and friends who have used private services.

Read what he wrote again. He said if it is an emergency you are treated instantly. If you are there because you have a sore throat and runny nose you are going to wait. These are things you should book an appointment with your doctor for, not clog up the ER.

$445 for something which must be free (bronchitis is not a plastic surgery). And you even had to wait 4 hours for it? What country is that? :helpme

P.S. I know that my country and government are fucked up, but when I read the posts like this, I begin to doubt..

Doubt what?Everyone know how U.S. health system is fucked compared to EU where almost every country have it free.

I didn't know that the poster live in the the Sates. They have "obamacare" now which should improve the situation. Am I wrong? In my country (yes I know, that I'm not free, enslaved by Putin etc) I pay only 6% tax from everything I earn. I can even pay nothing but the free medicine will be available to me in any case. Free emergency, free treatments (clinics, x-rays, surgeries or anything else). I mean if you feel sick and if you call an emergency, they come within minutes (depends on the place you live) and do everything they are able to do. This "service" will cost you nothing.

rehab clinics are not covered.

how many nurses do you know? I know several and none of them are making anything close to six figures.

My family runs a nursing home and our top registered nurses are making $36.98 + medical benefits. From what I understand, we are quite a bit lower than what the hospitals pay. We are also in a small town area, so we're probably even on the low end of what nursing homes pay, as compared to ones in the larger cities.

edit: so ya, none of our nurses get anywhere close to six figures. Might be different in larger cities or hospitals.

how about because everyone would recognize him here, and not over there?

nice try though...

my e-penis is bigger than your's because the healthcare in the country where you were born sucks!

the nurses i know work at hospitals here in ottawa. they make a middle class living i guess. i've never asked but they live in average homes driving average cars. i figure they probably make 50-60k a year or so. by no means are they 'well off'. especially when a 3 bedroom townhome in the suburbs here costs 300k.

lol ... ...

If you are having a heart attack of course they take you right away. They prioritize the situation.

I'm sure you would wait in Russia if you went to emergency with a sprained ankle.

Yeah sure, every time some famous guy goes down there with a wallet to get 10% better care at one of your few good hospitals. Please, I know your health care in general is pure shit, like your schools and your police.

yet you still haven't figured out on your own the problem isn't the level of care, it's the access.

I believe a 10% income tax should do it all FREE and 30 minutes-1 hour max waiting time. Otherwise they fuck us.

No. Let me try again.

When you go to the Hospital here, you are admitted via the emergency ward. Triage determines if you are an emergency case or not. If you are, you get immediate treatment. If your case is determined not to be life threatening, you wait, sometimes for many hours.

Hope this clears it up.

Still pretty sweet. It's all free, and the meds are cheap. :)

Correct!

He's got reasons of his own as to why he wants to head south and pay. For one, he can probably afford it. Secondly he probably wants some privacy to air out more of his dirty personal laundry rather than have it yet again be front and center in Canada.

But of course the second a CANADIAN is seen going to the US for treatment it must automatically mean that our system is deficient in some way. Fact is we have a pretty great system here. It's prioritized just like most other systems, and for non emergency cases there definitely can be some waiting time, no always but it does happen quite often.

But the quality of treatment we get here is second to none for the most part. It's not perfect but it's better than the crap a lot of other countries have to contend with. Case in point: the needle treatments I've been getting for the past year to control pain in my back cosst upwards of $40k per treatment in the US. I've never been charged a dime here.

In CIS countries there never was a shortage of doctors or emergency rooms,
I mean literally I have never seen people waiting in lines to be treated at any emergency case. Every small medical unit is able to provide surgical help even like stitching.

I was fuckingly surprised dealing with the system similar to Canadian in the EU.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup There are Great treatment centers in Canada :2 cents:

We have lots of access, wtf you talking about

Yes. The thread was pretty much a cheap shot at our healthcare system.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup There are Great treatment centers in Canada :2 cents:

I'm not going the explain YOUR post to you. If you can't follow along with your own comments, you prolly should just turn off your computer.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

since you have a disability, here ya go

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...#1TC=windows-7

Depends on how much the Benefits are worth. The company I work for says they pay $22 an Hour for my medical and pension.

Not exactly FREE, I believe your taxes are higher and what ever other ways they collect money to pay for this.

Ours seems to run closer to 20%. Our RN's don't have a pension (they voted against it years ago in exchange for a wage increase)

Followed by professors, the most common job on the Sunshine List are nurses, with nearly 2,000 making more than $100,000 per year in Ontario. According to the Canadian Nurses Association the salary of RNs range from $40,000 to $80,000 (with room for overtime), making this a well-paying career option for people who like to think on their feet.

I know what one of my former models started at when she graduated as an RN and got a hospital job - 68K and with weekend/overtime shifts even a young nurse can make 100K annually.

Guys, we have a very good system here, when you have serious issues. When you go for a flu though, don't expect it to be fast, you'll wait 18 hours at the hospital.

My story: In 2011 my airways specialist found a tumor in my left lungs, we were in july on a friday. Here's what happened:

Friday: Got the CT scan result, he showed me something in my bronchus. Gave me an appointment for the following monday at 8am for a broncoscopy.

Monday: Get that tube into my lungs, see it, take the phone and call somebody while I recover lol. He gets back to me and says: Raphael, this pm at 2, go see Dr. Mulder, he's the montreal Canadians doctor, he'll see you. (I'm like, really?) I go there, meet his assistant, then him, and they tell me, we may remove your left lung (uh no?). We'll schedule a surgery next wednesday (9 days later).

That wednesday: Got my surgery, all went well.

Since then, I'm followed every 6 months, now every year, I have access to my doctor by email, try to beat that.

The doctors has been so nice, because I'm doing a lot of sport, we all agree that if my tumor is typical they'll leave my left lung there. It happened to be, and I have no longer trace of tumor.

So I'm sorry if I believe that we have a good system here.

media hype?

NOTHING is "Free". Somebody is paying for it.

If you guys make good money in your careers and work hard...then YOU are paying for everyone else.

If you don't make much money and are struggling...then YOU are a parasite living off the hard work of people who are successful.

I don't know you guys, I'm assuming you are the successful hard working types. But NOTHING is "free".
Somebody (probably YOU) is paying for it dearly.

children are parasites?

That's depends on what do you mean on "wait". The emergency will be there within minutes (there is a regalement for that). In case of pain you'll get an anesthetic injection and will be transferred to a hospital. Course if is that just an ankle (not a spine etc), you'll have to wait for some time (perhaps up to a hour or two). You'll get an X-Ray and wait for a doctor.

Depends on what "emergency" means in your country. Just an example. A couple years ago my wife has fell from the ladder and we thought she has damaged a spine. The emergency came within 10 minutes. The doctor made an anesthetic injection and took her to a hospital for an X-Ray. The X-Ray picture shown that her spine had no damage (just a bruise) and she was released to home. How much did we pay for that? We paid nothing.

Yes of course. I pay 6% tax of all my earnings. Actually I could not pay anything at all and get the same medical treatment here. This is how the health care works in Russia. Believe me or not but that's true.

Well well looks like a Milton Friedman fan :1orglaugh