Are you serious? $1 per 1k popunders is now what the norm is?
 

I DREAD when I have to use a company like plugrush and others etc etc to replace my private buyers. Its sad I have to sit here and toss a coin up and cringe to see which ad company I will try next. I cant sit here and watch this garbage anymore. Not too long ago people were paying $3 per 1k uniques of regular traffic. They were paying $5-$8 per 1k of mobile traffic and $5 per 1k was standard for US mobile. When I say not too long ago, I meant within 1 year. Who is determining these god aweful price drops?

Who is setting these damn standards? If these companies had balls, they would all get together and figure out a common ground and fair price to sell the ads at. People need to buy traffic no matter what, so you cant say that you would lose buyers.

I keep hearing some countries pay better bla bla bla but come on. I was just using plugrush and in the past( last 2 months ago is when I stopped), I promoted them and I was making $2 per 1k etc never below $1.5 per 1k. Now its $1 per 1k? Who is selling traffic at this horrible price you kidding me? Dont even get me started on the amount of money these ad companies are making and then paying the publisher dick. Also, they only pay for uniques which seems to be the norm now, but what about all my other traffic? obviously its worth nothing according to you guys right? Pffttt.

How can you(plugrush, any other broker in a sense) let the advertisers decide what your prices are worth? I asked plugrush and they told me it is based off of what the advertisers pay?? This is a joke. This industry is def dying if this is the case. We already knew it was dying with paysites and horrible TUBE traffic but jesus. What is next?

Worst part is, WHAT IS THE POINT of buying any type of traffic from these type of companies? They give you feeder traffic with a bounce rate of 60%-80%? NONE of it stays or is worth anything. Its basically feeder traffic FOR and IF you have sites with trades etc which your site/sites never grow unless you are buying millions a week.

The ONLY successful way of buying traffic was buying from sites like yours, that you could get actual surfers coming back because it was the same type of quality traffic(niche, etc).

I have been in this industry since 2004 and this amongst other things lately is eye dropping. Im tired of it. If this keeps up, Id tell everyone to think about selling and looking for something different to do. At least you will get top dollar while you can before this ad companies drop it down soon to 50 cents per 1k.

I needed to RANT. I have been talking to so many webmasters of all niches and mainly all HUGE network traffic owners about all this and everyone is disgusted.

No one in adult should buy traffic. It's all garbage.

i bought popup traffic once, its just pure bullshit, you have to find good places to buy from.

all i will say is its not bought for pulling in sales

traffic is only ever worth what the market will bear.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

It might not just be adult though. The Internet is becoming more and more regulated and much harder to monetize.

Ad blockers are becoming more and more popular, as time goes by they will only become more popular.

And as time goes by the Internet just becomes more and more saturated.


I've been thinking about jumping into real estate.
The market is really good for buying right now, and the world population is only growing. People will need homes.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to purchase some homes and set them up for rent.

The market will bear? Come on now. No way the prices change so drastic within 1 year. Even an ad company with lets say 30 million impressions a day, is still making 30-50k a day AFTER paying out etc. I know a few of the owners of some companies I wont name. Its laughable they say at the rates they are able to pay publishers. The Publishers are the suckers. I understand the tube traffic is pure shit in which it has now been considered as the norm to many ad companies but that still is not a good enough reason to PAY EVERYONE these prices because these companies are relying on garbage tube and other types of the same traffic to fill there inventory.

Im glad you at least have an option your interested in other then online. Kuddos for you man :)

It's pretty difficult to separate the good from the crap. Sites that have "good" traffic, will buy shit feeder traffic to boost profits, so the network has to constantly worry about that, when it's much easier just to charge prices based on country of traffic.

Also, traffic now days is pretty difficult for a publisher to make a profit on buying traffic. It's almost to the point the owner of the site has to be the one buying it.

I buy traffic every once in a while. I dont spend a whole lot because the immediate return is very low. $40 over the last 2 day returned maybe 5 trial joins. So im down 20. Hopefully the exposure and rollover to full trial makes it worth it.

One problem I do see with a lot of sites selling traffic is that, at least in my case, the site sending traffic would pop 6 other windows including mine. In a couple cases locked my browser up. Now I don't know about your traffic but this seems to be the norm with lots of traffic sellers and honestly I'm not sure its even worth the $1.80 per 1k I pay.

Not to mention the saturation of bots that seem to be rampant.

Not a shot at you, just an overall observation.

Paully

I have lived off paid traffic for years, as a sole source of income/profit.

Just sayin.

It is getting increasingly difficult, especially with cunts who own large companies stealing every ad they perceive as clever or ''new''.

Wow Paully. Who are you buying from that pops 6 windows or even more then 1? When I sell privately or even promote any ad company, I only allow 1 popunder on my sites. That is horrible that you see that often. I never see that.

It's all about supply and demands. Too much traffic out there.

Most pop traffic are shitty anyway, that's why u are selling right? Otherwise you'll keep it for yourself.

You can earn more with USA popup traffic

Im not gonna throw out names but there is lots. I even had a few open download windows. I just block them from my campaigns. I suppose I could get a hold of the broker and let them know but meh.

Next time I see one over the top Ill post it.

Paully

If you cant beat em... Join em..

Wow where to start. So much to say.

I find that on JuicyAds and Plugrush often at the beginning and end of the month rates paid to publishers are garbage. I think I remember starting a thread once when UK mobiles were something like 50 cents per 1k.

I find Trafficshop is a little bit more consistent but it's usually between $1.30-$1.50. Maybe it's worth it to send traffic to them for the first five and last five days of the month?

There has been a shit load of topics about this including from one guy who was claiming that plugrush was charging sellers way more than what they were actually paying to publishers for certain countries. But PR had some sort of defense to this such as that not everyone pays the same rate. Use search to see it.

I think malware has helped bump up rates in the past for popunders. And mobiles used to be better with more favorable billing laws in germany.

As far as the brokers getting together and deciding on a fair price I always suspected the opposite. With little competition it's easy for them to collude. I couldn't say whether it happens but it could. It's not like the government would bust them for anti-trust violations.

As paysites and everything else goes to hell expect ad rates to fall too. In the end someone has to buy for there to be value. Less buying = less money = reduced rates

NEVER buy pop-under traffic.

majority=yes
"all"=no

around 33% of my cam income comes from bought "clicked" traffic from a couple brokers and individual site buys.

Not when 30% of it is USA vpn/proxy traffic. They register in cam site, write "hello I am from Iran", I go check ip, is some tor or vpn. Perhaps lately 50% of the US traffic is arabs, russians and chinese really. Rest is bots :)

You mean 30 million impressions sold to at least 10 suckers right? Delivering then 300 million impressions.
No way is 30 million sold impressions generating 30k. On the high side, a broker will try and ass fuck you for $150 for 1 day of a million impressions, of which you will likely receive .1% CTR. Which is 1000 clicks.

What I dont get is why sites sell traffic in the first place. Other than the instant money. If they were an affiliate sending that traffic to a site with regular updates they would seem to make a lot more money.

Sell 12,000 for $1 per 1k=12 bucks

In my case
Send 12,000 to my site with 1:4000 or so(3 trial sales) for that traffic and you made
$6 bucks but 3 days later 2 of the 3 rollover to full join at 24.95 a pop. 6+25=$31 bucks
for the same traffic. Almost three times the money.

Shit I had one aff. send 2 64.95/3month sales last month.

Paully

:2 cents::thumbsup

What you talking about? For alexa?

Paully

It's pop unders though so every visitor without something to block it is getting sent to the broker. It's effectively like a 30-35% ctr whereas with your avg banner or text link you get 1-2%. Therein lies the difference. Now if you did 1:4k with pop unders that would be something different. :)

That is what I'm talking about. Last couple of days I spent 40 bucks for popunders. First day 3 joins from it second day 1 join. But only a bout 8 to 12k popups a day for 2 days(and not all day) from that 40 bucks. Honestly those where the ones I know for sure because I filtered by the referral site that brought them in. Hopefully some people came back but I dont know how to figure that out yet.

Paully

Popunder traffic should be $0.10 per 1k. At $1/1k, Be grateful, there is still someone overpaying that much for your traffic.

What in the hell are you smoking? Its opinions like this that really show where the industry will be in the future. DEAD. Believe it or not, this type of thought process is why things just keep getting worse

Ya, its the beginning of the month and yesterdays it went down to 80 cents per 1k lol. Im going to try someone else for the time being.

Ero-advertising = ?2,50 for pop under traffic for advertisers so it should be better than $1,00 you get now.

working with them is like working with juicy and others. :upsidedow

The quality of traffic being swapped between sites has severely eroded in the last few years. I'm reffering to traffic from established unique and quality sites, not TGP and Tube clones redistributing brokered feeder traffic around.

Banner and link toplists used to provide tons of free traffic that you could easily make sales from. Nowadays, you need to be at the very top of such lists in order to get their SE traffic coming in, because the traffic being swapped has become the furthest thing from productive.

That is, if you can find a toplist that isn't a scam set up by the owner, isn't being cheated by a participant or hasn't been neglected to the point that it no longer updates.

With the quality of traffic currently running through brokers, I can't imagine them remaining in business for much longer.

can you share that source on the pm? :helpme

lol, only people who know shit say that

Another dumb ass, this baord is full of quiters

Don't bother man. Let them go... More biz for us.

Davie - why don't you go back to finding a sponsor that converts with your traffic? I don't know your traffic, but why not do that?

playboy stats below:
1:17539

Other sponsors as well:
1:7708.9
1:5596.6
1:2513.0

Just a few god aweful ratios. List goes on and on. Back in 2004-2006 sales were always great. Since the arrival of the tubes and shit traffic, it has all died.
Sales are dead for my niche anyway. Only ex gf traffic(which there is not enough SE traffic anymore for this niche), and niched sites makes sales. Dating sites are even worse these days for sales. I would rather make money in other ways then to rely on a pipe dream.

but how can you expect someone to pay a premium for your traffic with ratios like this?

Roald hit the nail on the head here. :2 cents:

He certainly did - however that is the value of most of the traffic out there now.

Most traffic out there is overvalued. However as other pointed out people are not always buying it for it's conversion possibilities.

For pop unders you mean right?

I'd ban popunders ... they are not worth even $0.5 per 1k ... Would you like it that when you check your favorite site, another window pops out of the sudden and it has sound and so on?

I find hard to believe that any normal surfer likes a popunder...

Yes, but between the popunder and paying $10 a month for access they will choose the popunder unless the popunder installs malware.

Popunders can be effective too but I think what hurts the most these days are all the popunder blockers which often get installed by default. It's a big difference a 90% success versus 30% success rate.

The scary thing is I bet those are your normal conversion rates and not just the rates on popunder traffic, right? Yes it really is that bad for most affiliates. A handful of programs still convert at an acceptable rate. The rest are garbage. 1:7000, 1:10000 and that kind of thing.

It's sad but most of us could make more by putting up ads for the Playstation 4 rather than to try to sell paysites. Crazy but what else can we expect when it's available for free with a couple clicks? I'm shocked that I still get any sales to be honest. I'm thinking these people would be prime targets for various scams too. I bet some of the more shady programs are using their email lists to market mainstream scams. These people would pay for anything if they would pay for porn in 2013! :disgust

Those are the the ratios he sees. It doesn't necessarily mean he is driving sales and revenue only at that rate. Shaving, shitty tracking, cookies disabled, surfers typing the url in instead..

Its not my traffic. Its the sponsors. Playboy was taking over my manwin and boom. I was doing 1k a month with sales just from them until manwin aquired playboy. MOST of my sponsors have been re sold over and over again. Has nothing to do with my traffic. I just showed you some of my bad sponsors. I have plenty of good ones.