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Support your industry. Keep choice alive.:thumbsup

That will show 'em. :thumbsup

The condom nazis don't stand a chance against the master minds who thought that up.

Just one effort among many. Thanks for your support and the bump.

"instead of providing important public health services like"..."flu shots for children and seniors"

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That have not been shown to be safe or effective

yeah and on wed we should all boycott getting gas for the day so we can show the gas companies that we don't need them.

To those who are so fast to criticize the efforts of other without offering valid alternatives, your opinions are like the summer breeze.

I'd appreciate your suggestions and any offers of help.

Do try and keep your suggestions realistic unless you are offering some funding to carry out your fantastic idea.:winkwink:

You might have a better idea that we can use.:thumbsup

Any help and ideas are always appreciated.

I thought it was all very good until I heard the Flu Shot bit :2 cents:

50 views so far... It needs more push

why only for an hour?

I have no idea. I'd think good for an hour, good whenever somebody wants to watch it.

God bless the marvel of modern communications.

When I was a kid, we used to beat on hollow logs with branches to let the cousins know what was happening.:winkwink:

Then you should always wear them.

I hope you don't support the govt. telling you that you MUST wear a condom if you turn a camera on while fucking. :(

if you fucking as a part of your job then they do have the right.
why not they govt has lots of laws when it comes to the work place, if you want to be treated like a real industry then you need to accept govt regulations just like all other industries.

Idea 1) Everyone mans the fuck up and acts responsibly when they catch an STD, letting everyone else know, instead of trying to hide it.

Idea 2) Stop lying to performers and giving them the false sense of security that they are OK. They are not. Within a short amount of time they will catch every STD, and that is a fact. Give them ALL the facts and then let them decide.

Idea 3) Test for EVERYTHING so EVERYONE knows exactly what everyone has. They let them make the decision if they want to catch HPV or herpes.

Idea 4) If Manwin get get a billboard on time square about WEARING CONDOMS with their Got Latex ad (which is God dammed ironic at this point), then they can take out billboards in the area where people are actually going to vote for or against this. Manwin is funding this, so why not contradict themselves and put up a Got Bareback billboard or two in LA? They would look like dick heads once again, but maybe you'd get the right eyes on the cause instead of putting up a couple lame ass videos for an hour that no one is going to watch.

Idea 5) Wear condoms and stop your crying. It worked for Wicked. Why can't it work for everyone else? I hate them as much as the next guy, but I also hate wearing a helmet when I ride my motorcycle, but I do it.

Ooops... my bad. You said realistic things.

Careful Robbie, that is almost a treason.

I loath condoms. In fact, I'd burn down condom factories if I knew I could get away with it. I also hate for the government to meddle with my life in any capacity. However, you have a valid point about the work place. Hard hats, safety glasses, safety shoes, and whatever work related safety rules others have to abide by, it's part of the job. And if Porn Valley had been responsible in the first place, this probably would not be an issue. But when you try to hide test results and have actual numbers of STDs that are through the roof, it's only a matter of time before you are going to be regulated.

Since we shoot condom that would be awkward.

clicking Like on a funny picture of a cat can cure cancer so I don't see why not?

How do you argue against condoms when there is no alternative other than to spread disease? I don't particularly care about the issue, just seems to me that its an issue that doesn't have a valid opposing viewpoint other than "Freedom" type crap which has nothing to do with the discussing which is about health and safety.

They wear hard hats, steel toed boots, gloves, safety vests, safety glasses etc etc etc etc etc.

I believe it's a first amendment issue and the govt. has no place in people's sex lives.
And I don't care to be treated like a "real industry" by the govt.
That only means the govt. will step in and interfere with my livelihood more and more.

The more that lawyers and govt. get involved, the more headaches and problems for everyone concerned.

And also...keep in mind that this condom law b.s. in California has nothing to do with anybody in the govt. having ANY concern for us EVIL porn people's health.

The ONLY reason that they are doing it is to try to hasten the demise of the industry. The AHF is trying everything it can to shut us all down.
If you had been at the XBiz awards a couple of years back and saw those religious idiots protesting with signs outside the awards show it would open your eyes.

They don't want the porn industry to EXIST in Los Angeles. Has nothing to do with using condoms. They know that mandatory condom use in L.A. will destroy the industry there and it won't be able to compete with non-condom content shot all over the world.

It's bad enough that we the people have somehow allowed the govt. to invade our privacy in every way: They make you pee in a cup, draw your blood, they are trying to make it legal to take DNA samples from us whenever you are arrested or pulled over....and now do you REALLY want to let them tell you that you have to put a piece of plastic on your cock when you are fucking?

None of this is what the govt. in a free society is supposed to be doing. They are supposed to work FOR us. Not be our lords and masters.

Its not like models have a choice about safety in the workplace. Be a girl that wants to stay safe and only use condoms and see how far people let her career go.

Is it freedom if you have to go bareback to make it in this industry?

Is it "Freedom" if a construction worker has to wear a hard hat and reflective vest?

i agree and disagree
yes you should be able to decide but how many girls are made to go bareback

My point is that this, like everything else that concerns this business is handled with the same half assed retarded bs.

Argument for: "Prevents the spreading of deadly disease"
Argument against: "freedom", "rights" etc.

Guess who will lose?

No one likes this biz or the people in it to begin with. Your argument as to why you should not prevent the spread of syphilis, AIDS, Hepatitis etc etc etc has to be a little better than "freedom". But since most people in this biz are rabidly "anti-establishment" they can't even form a simple, coherent argument other than "its what I want to do"

Nope, it is putting safety first. My uncle died on a job site a few months back because he did not follow safety rules. A decade before that my father was permanently disabled after a 15 foot fall with the same company.

True. I solved a hunger problem in a small village in Africa by Liking and sharing an image on facebook once.

Ironically, two arguments that "it has to be unsafe", otherwise girls can't get double penetrated on film... which is exactly the point i am making.

There is no good argument against protecting the health and safety of others.

Right, so mandatory condoms it is. :)

What about a video called "stop government waste" which has nothing to do with "government waste" and instead features a porn actor stating that he's been infected on the set (where obviously a condom would prevent that) as a rock solid argument against condom use on the set?

This biz makes Idiocracy look like a fucking M.I.T. think tank.

"Career"? This isn't 1970. Girls get paid $1000 maybe $1,500 a scene. The only girls with long "careers" are the ones who have their OWN sites and make their own rules. And it isn't their "workplace" in any sense of the word. It's usually a nice hotel room and a nice bed or couch to have sex on while you get your picture taken and you are filmed.

A lot of these girls are strippers/escorts who shoot porn too. (nothing wrong with that at all) The TRUE workplace for many of them is the local strip club.

And most of them make more money escorting in a couple of days than they do in all of their porn shoots for a month.

Shooting porn scenes is just the way to get your stripper money and escort money to go up. It's a means to an end for smart women.

As for having to go bareback...no, they don't have to. They can do lesbian scenes, they can do solo scenes.

But trust me...the girls shooting porn don't make a fortune like the studio contract girls did back in the 1970's, 80's and early part of the 90's.

A lot of them shoot 2 or 3 scenes....then take a couple of weeks off and have fun and party and just live their lives. Then when they run out of money or feel they need some more exposure so they can get more money escorting or stripping...then they take another porn shoot gig.

Shooting a scene is almost a full day thing for a girl. Takes up most of a day. They can make the same money in an hour escorting and make a few hundred dancing in the club at night which includes drinking and partying and having fun.

There is no drinking and partying and having fun while shooting porn.

What is that in other timezones?

I had to watch the video to see what you're talking about. OMFG. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

For starters, saying you caught something is not a good way to advocate non-condom use. So yea, that video went full retard. Secondly, he is lying through his teeth saying he only caught 1 STD in his 20 year period as a performer. :1orglaugh I almost shit myself laughing when he said that. Seriously, anyone who is in the industry knows that isn't true. If they say otherwise they are lying or have an agenda.

your sex life is yours when you do it not for profit. when you do it as a business especially when the people are paid for the work then it is not private people's sex lives. if you want to run a business and there is health hazards because of irresponsible people then you leave the govt no choice to step in.

Yes, I have always thought that.

Since Manwin is the biggest supporter of No on Government Waste why cant they just take down their tubesites for 1 hour and play just these 2 videos ?

How about taking the tubes down for a day ?

Seriously if you want to reach the maximum number of people why wouldnt the company with all the traffic do it themselves ?

Seems rather easy....

Or how about they run these spots as ads before every video ?

Wouldnt that reach more people then anything else ?

Just WOW is that the best that high dollar brain trust Fabian hired can come up with?

"work"?????

I started out in this business as male talent in the early 90's. No testing back in those days by the way, that didn't start until a few years ago.

And I assure you...it was NEVER "work" :1orglaugh

I had a great time fucking a lot of women. And my "workplace" was always a nice hotel room. The only "danger" I was ever in was maybe stubbing my toe on the bedstand.

If you guys think that fucking is "work" you need to seriously re-evaluate your ideas on what "work" really is.

The porn industry is fundamentally nothing more than turning a camera on while people are fucking.
People fuck everyday.
It's a natural thing that humans do.

They aren't working in a dangerous factory, they aren't out digging ditches in the hot sun.

Filming people fucking isn't much different than filming them eating a sandwich or breathing the air or taking a walk. It's a natural thing that people do and doesn't require the govt. to tell us how to do it.

I suppose they are going to try and tell me and my wife how we should film our scenes too? Yeah..right. Or how about Kelly Madison who only shoots with her husband Ryan?
Or how about swinger couples who film their exploits for their websites? That IS their actual sex life. How the hell can the govt. have the right to tell them how to have sex?

I for one am NOT in favor of a bunch of politicians and bureaucrats telling me how to film my videos. It's my art. My free speech.
And again...let me be clear...they are NOT trying to "help" us by making our "workplace" (lol...which is a nice hotel room) "safer".
They are trying to SHUT DOWN THE PORN INDUSTRY.

I don't know what part of that you guys aren't understanding.

La is not the porn industry and hasn't been in a longtime. And this is state law and its the state thats it's legal to shoot in.

Actually they want to use porn to send a message. They want porn to exist - just with condoms in it so it send's AHF's message that condoms are the only safe cost effective AIDs/HIV prevention on the market.

Michael

I'd say that sounds like 5 very solid ideas.

But only in Los Angeles? :1orglaugh

Their people picketing at the awards show a couple of years back had a bit of a different message I think.

And no, I don't believe for one minute that they want porn to exist. They want it gone.

I talked to them at their press conference - they were quite clear about what they want... A safe sex message sent to hetero couples.

They even sell gay porn at their Out of The Closet stores.

And if you read their hacked emails on Pastebin Weinstein says he wants to use porn send a message...

Michael

I personally don't care what adults do. It's not to anyone's benefit to pretend STDs are not a problem or that testing is somehow a great solution being that nothing happens in real time.

I am amused by this issue because its something like watching a group of retards form a chess team. At the end of the day, you have to have a stronger argument than safety and health to strike down or deter such legislation and its comical to me that a bunch of self entitled, "I hate the man" and "I should be able to do what I want" morons always think "I want to do what I want to do" - then loosely tying that to the Constitution and then walk away smugly thinking it is a great argument and should be enough to get the job done.

Even funnier is the argument of "doing something is better than doing nothing" - so in the end, you have a bunch of fucking morons making a video showing a porn star talking about contracting and STD on the set - so therefore, condoms aren't necessary.

There just isn't enough faces or palms for this one.

So has the No on Measure B group made sure to have a rebuttal printed within the November Ballot for LA County and City? I'd think that would reach more voters than these things on Twitter or whatever.

Granted, it would have to be an intelligent and well phrased rebuttal, which I find hard to fathom coming from the brain trust currently at work here on this anti-measure campaign.

What's wrong with making porn stars wearing condoms, we gotta keep them from breeding so their aids infested offsprings don't touch the rest of the civilized population.

It's alarming how more and more people could care less about STD's. For a long time in the gay community it was "play all you want, but wear condoms." People saw what HIV/AIDS did to people.

Now there is this false perception that the meds make you whole again as long as you take them. People don't talk about the wasting, that it's easier to get sick in other ways and other gross stuff. The younger generation coming of age in the last 5 or so years have only heard about AIDS. They don't know anybody that has died from it. They haven't seen the suffering. They think that you can tell if someone has HIV. Or they assume that their partners are clean and they can trust them.

So what's going to happen is it's going to start up again. The gay community finally wasn't the largest group with new HIV/AIDS infections but the younger generation is going to start change that, IMHO.

Then there is just plain ignorance. What Robbie doesn't realize is that CM is actually in a higher risk group than most. She has sex with a lot of black men on camera. Homosexuality is less accepted in the black community (practically shunned) which is where the term "down low" came from and why black women are now the #1 group getting infected with HIV/AIDS.

So rather than being a caring husband/business partner/producer/whatever, he puts her out there without considering the consequences. The reality is that she has just as much of a chance acquiring HIV as I do if I were to go to a bathhouse tonight and fuck random guys.

Even DWB admits he doesn't like condoms but he acknowledges the risks present today. It's one thing to make an informed decision such as DWB does (and I have been guilty of myself). Robbie just keeps pretending it's all overrated. Maybe you just need to see HIV/AIDS first hand to really understand it.

The videos and the idea of posting them on September 25th are the work of Steven St. Croix as far as I know. I like the fact that he is trying to do something.

He is his own braintrust.....:thumbsup

you can't blame Robbie for being a BBC lover. he loves the risk too much he gets adrenaline rush from the thought he could be catching hiv from monkeys.

because the people lookin to wank it don't want to see a stupid video and they don't care what is going on in LA . If anything it would just piss people off.