Galleries submitted on .xxx domains - do i list them?
 

it won't be long before we start to get galleries submitted on .xxx domains.
do i accept the money and list them ...? what about the other sites like worldsex and the Hun... is there a consensus on this...what advice does the GFY universe have...?

charge them triple
the obviously have the money to pay more

Deny button.

Ban them, i am blocking all XXX related sites (Sponsors supporting it, traffic trades, link trades) XXX is a scam

and am I supposed to deny them as clients?

Ive been contacted by a few .xxx for ads already. and hosted galleries too.

politics has no place in business in my opinion. This is capitalism.

Register Shemp.xxx and list all the .xxx galleries there perhaps.

on the other side, will you loose money from non .xxx (as in decent people) who do not want to do business with you for being a back stabbing trator.

i do not understand this type of mafia behavior.

are you businessmen or what?

no offense but either you act professional regarding business or you do not.

every 6 months gfy has a new witch to burn... and as we have seen with everything from tubes to .xxx the loyalty ends when the checks start coming. :2 cents:

Solidarity is nice in theory but this industry has proven time and time again it can not stand together.

The best advice I can give you is to do what is best for you with both your short term and long term goals in mind.

I can't believe anyone would truly hold anything against the Shemp, Fletch, or anyone else for accepting cash for the services they provide, even if it does come from .xxx.

If we all had 60 million visitors a day, it would be a different story. I won't be buying any .xxx, but I'm not going to hold anything against someone who does.

for the record, I have yet to design ads for any .xxx specifically. But am i supposed to stop doing business with current clients who may branch into that? Really? tell clients i can no longer do their ads?

i surely have been contacted regarding a few startups. And if anyone thinks no one is going forward with .xxx sites, think again. It is coming.

I just brought it up since shemp made this thread.

As i said, this is business. And it deserves discussion.

Accept them but charge them triple or equivalent. Not to be vindictive but if they have paid a premium amount for the domain they believe it is worth a premium amount. So you will make money from the stupid and or rich ones and still save face cause you are sticking it to the companies who bought the domains to begin with and you are still doing biz. This seems to be capitalist position.

This sounds the best idea, combined with a higher price.

Principles and successful business don't really mix well.

Seems fair. Make them pay 2/3 of it up front as an annual fee and call it something fancy. Like the Shempennial .XXX Glory Fee!

Shemp, I love you man. I have a feeling you might already know what you're going to do but like Fletch said below, this is business. You aren't some multi million dollar conglomerate and turning down money from something that we might not have wanted but is here now would be silly. You will have idiots yelling about it but they do that already.

Exactly.

Temporarily or from the ones that are going to short circuit and go off the deep end anyhow. How many were never going to do any kind of business with any company that owned or had any minor relation to a tube site? Companies are gone today because of this stupid attitude.

New witch, new threats, new liars being exposed several months later when they come crawling back and say they just have to do what they said they'd never do because everyone else is. "Don't blame us, we took a hard stance and lost money over it!"

I don't blame them for being stupid, but stupid is what it is.


This.

Yep. I keep trying to tell people that this is not a .info and will be a huge part of the industry in the near future. Ostriches, so many ostriches.

Paying $100 for a damn domain name has no bearing on what other services are worth. $100 per YEAR is such a non issue in business and spending an extra $90 on your domain does not make you rich / stupid / anything else. If I go buy a .com from someone for $500 everyone should charge me extra because I'm stupid? :1orglaugh

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This shit is getting old people. 8 years later and there are still a bunch of morons telling everyone else how things are. Grow up, you've never been right before and you're probably not right this time either. :2 cents:

Don't matter a lot of people know you. Be considered a sell out for supporting .xxx! ` With your stand up popularity, ya wanna deal with that kind of pressure?

Like I said in the manwin thread... am i the only one who remembers this?

popular gfy host: "we will not be hosting tubes"
few months later: "we will now be hosting tubes as the industry has begun to accept them"

LOL i have no opinion in the .xxx debate. I do not own one, do not promote registering them, and do not benefit from debating over them.

Just watching the wheels go round and round... i really love to watch them roll...

It's a fun ride but you'd think we'd be past this. It's not even the new guys doing this again, it's the people that have been here through all of this before, lol. I wish I could find everyone that claimed they'd never own or do business with tubes. Long list, of liars. :1orglaugh

It's business so do business. Whatever happens with .xxx will happen. Soon someone is going to come out with .porn or whatever and the race will be on. Personally I would charge them a premium because they are stupid and then I would put them in their own section so when you want to dump them it is just one click. The .xxx isn't going to be so attractive when the filtering starts and it's gonna start, you can bank on it.

If it's a BBW gallery you should demand it to be on an .xxl domain :)

Other than that, if the gallery complies with your rules, just take the money and list it.

Its perfectly acceptable to have a 'bend but don't break` type strategy in this situation. Smart people know that everyone, including themselves, will always be wrong about at least something, if not several things, when looking in hindsight, but they are too busy analyzing the present and looking towards the future while the 'I Told You So' game is a game played largely by idiots who like to constantly relive the few rare times that they were not wrong.

"Free-market capitalism is a network of free and voluntary exchanges in which producers work, produce, and exchange their products for the products of others through prices voluntarily arrived at."

Under capitalism, people are free to choose not to do business with people they don't like or whose behavior or ideas they don't approve of.

Even if you don't bring your own personal opinions into it, it may still be beneficial to ban certain tlds. A TGP owner like Shemp has little to lose by banning .xxx galleries, but could gain some extra traffic, submitters, ad buyers etc by putting out a press release stating that he as "a TGP expert with years of experience in the online adult industry" agrees with Manwin on the issue of the .xxx tld. Hell, I even took a look at his Gold Accounts purely because of this thread.

I do understand where you are coming from. You as a designer obviously sell different services than Shemp does and banning .xxx clients would obviously have different impactions for you. In the end every business owner decides for himself what his principles are worth to him. And in the end every business owner decides for himself how to best make use of the opportunities that present themselves. Making an anti-.xxx statement does not necessarily mean giving up potential clients, it could (in the case of Shemp) simply be an opportunity to get extra exposure. It all depends on ones own business model, client base, potential client base, services offered,... It's a decision every business owner can only make for himself.

Quite frankly sir, this is bullshit. Some of us actually have a grasp on reality and knew full well what was going on.

It took no hindsight to know that tubes would be huge and around for a long time. - (Many here still think some magic law will save them. :1orglaugh)

It took no hindsight to know that the economy would have some affect on porn sales. - (Many here claimed that this was a recession proof industry, no. matter. what. Now they are arguing that the Euro crisis has no effect on anything either.)

It took no hindsight to know that suing porn surfers for using LimeWire would not save a dying business model. - (Where are the guys that decided to go this route? Exactly.)

It takes no hindsight to figure out that .xxx is going to be around at least for the next year or three and that there's nothing we can do about it. - (The claims on this one are especially fun. Buying a $100 domain means you're stupid, I will never do business with a .xxx site, surfers will never find them because they use googe, and on and fucking on.)

L O FUCKING L. I mean that.

I have been in business for my entire adult life and half of my childhood. I know how fast the landscape can change and I know when something is inevitable. Many people here do but there are many that have their heads so far up their ass that they couldn't figure it out if this was 2021 and they were reading a history book.

I would be actual money that Shemp will list .xxx galleries if they pay him. Why? Because he's a genuinely smart guy and will figure it out. I think he's already decided and posted this to make some of you think. My opinion of course. :thumbsup

Principles, really? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Sorry dude, but this is actually fucking hilarious.

Which part? The idea that some people still have principles or the part where every business owner has the right and is in the best position to decide for himself what's best for his business?

+ Ban :thumbsup

What principles are you displaying by not doing business with .xxx? Also, I just find it hilarious when porn pushers start talking principles, specifically over silly stuff like this. You put porn online where kids can find it, should everyone stop doing business with you until you require a scan of a government ID before allowing one to view your pages? That would be 'standing up for their principles' but it would also be stupid.

I'l use this opportunity to declare how if i notice any gallery submitted to my network on xxx domain,it will be denied no matter what.End of story.

You make it sound as if selling porn is something shady. People voluntarily agree to have sex and allow themselves to be photographed in exchange for money. The content producer then sells that content to people who voluntarily agree to buy it. etc...

People who voluntarily sell a product to other people who voluntarily agree to buy it can't have principles because other people who are irresponsible allow their children to visit adult websites?

I haven't really been following all this .xxx drama, can someone clue me in what's so bad about .xxx anyway? is the slippery slope argument that one day all porn could be required by law to be hosted on .xxx the main reason why everyone opposes it so strongly?

Use the search button!

it sounds easier if someone in this thread could spell out exactly what the deal is in a sentence or 2?

Thanks for making my point for me. It would be stupid to blacklist someone for not taking extreme measures to keep kids off your site and it would be stupid to blacklist someone for selling, buying or using a .xxx domain.

By the way, I love how when it's you in the scenario you want to pass the blame to parents. Kids have a million ways to get online with or without parents allowing it. If you want to play holier than thou internet White Knight of all that is against your principles then you want to do everything you can to keep them off of your sites. So how do you do that, a warning page? :1orglaugh

That's part of it but from what I can see they take issue with how Lawley is handling the extension.

Some are mad that he's trying to make as much money as possible ($99 fee) which is hilarious considering that he has invested millions in getting the rights to the extension and wants to make money like everyone. Big risks offer big rewards.

Some are mad that he's auctioning off premium names or doing buddy buddy deals for exposure. Also hilarious since every other major extension had premium names offered at a premium as well. These folks spend a lot of money to do this and have every right to make money from it within the rules.

Some are mad that they are marketing .xxx to mainstream people on mainstream tv. As if we wouldn't all have commercials on the air if they would show them.

Some are worried about porn being regulated to .xxx only which is fucking retarded because the extension exists regardless of whether 1 or 100,000,000 .xxx domains are there. If they want to regulate porn to a single extension they can do it, end of story. Hell, they could start a brand new one and force all porn there while collecting your information and spying on every visit for easier prosecution.

I'm sure there are others. All are equally stupid / shortsighted / wrong.

Just remember, don't sell your scripts or services to anyone with a .xxx or all of these geniuses will never do business with you again! :1orglaugh

If I had registered shemp.xxx

Would you list all my galleries I submit to you on that domain?

If so then wow!

:1orglaugh

I think that would be giving away your traffic and brand in a big way.
So if you would not do it to yourself then why do it to someone else?

would you do business with acadia, ibill, epass after what they pulled on webmasters? xxx is another scheme looking to take money out of the pockets of webmasters.

I don't know man. I think they have convinced me.

I have already notified my partner to begin preparing our press release on this issue. We take our business reputation and our brand very seriously.

We have been in business for over 14 years in the adult industry, and would never do anything to tarnish our reputation among clients or webmasters, who are the bread and butter, the backbone, of the industry. Without them we have no business. We will do what is necessary to both provide professional service for new customers, and strengthen our relationship with existing clients.

We do not allow politics to shape our decisions regarding business, however, we understand the importance of addressing these types of issues we face, as an industry trying to move forward into the future. In addition, we take censorship and free speech very seriously. As artists and business owners, we recognize the threat of internet service providers blocking mature content via the .xxx tld and understand the justified concern of the nature of how these tld deals become. GetBannersMade.com, as a business, has zero to do with .xxx and ICANN type of debates.

We invite anyone taking a hard-line stance on this issue to contact me regarding possible business we can establish and provide you with quality advertisements or web site banners promoting your product or services.

Let's do business then...

http://www.getbannersmade.com

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Shemp, my people will be contact your people, as usual, via the new mobile bat phone line, regarding my old gallery submit account login. As elite as I am, I seem to have lost the url and login LOL

So no fletch.xxx ? :1orglaugh

My thoughts entirely.

We can't denounce the ICM as money grabbers, if we do the same.

If people decide not to buy from those who do business with .xxx they are free to do so. Like Fletch is free to do business with them.

Mind you an ad from Fletch is not doing a lot to further the sites prosperity. On the other hand there are lots of designers available.

It needs to be stopped at the traffic end more than by those who provide services. This is up to affiliates, traffic sellers, Tubes, etc.

first lets stop calling this business, its not. its a farce. all that has happened over 10 or so years is sites setting up, people promote them, then they dash of with the cash.

so lets stop pretending we are some sort of profeshional business set ups. we are not. we sell smut - and thats it. its no more a business than selling drugs, except what we do is legal.

but that said....

we never learn do we.

we set up porn in the early days. then people had the clever idea to give most of the pics away on free sites. to everyone rushed out to do fhg of all there content. so the net filled up with free content. so a lot of people were happy with the free stuff and did not bother to buy.

then tubes came out. and all the sites went and thought lets put all out films on free. so that meant a lot more happy people who no longer needed to buy.

at this point porn online becomes almost dead.

so .xxx comes out.

a logical person can see that the bulk has been sold to non porn firms out of fear. one can also see that .xxx will become an opt in for isp's very soon.

but rather than think long term, everyone sh*ts themselves and think short turm.

so thgey start to work with .xxx

in a few years we will then see .xxx becoming an opt in, mabe even forcing porn onto .xxx.

then its over.

lets make it clear, if any of you work with .xxx, do not dare to post in 5 years time that its all over, when online is fully dead except for free tube sites. just do not dare.

i predict in 5 years or less online porn will be dead the way things carry on.

and you know what the great thing about it is, we killed it. no one else to blame but us.

good night folks, its been fun.

Make those submission go to a special confirmation page that reads:

We are against .XXX domains, your domain has been added to our blacklist which we forward to all our partners so they can add it to their blacklist.
ty,
Have a nice day!

God damn it, I half saw the avatar and though DVTimes was mutt. Almost had a heart attack. LOL

Can affiliates send you traffic from a .xxx domain? Seems if you are going to make a stance this would be a good place to do it, the doom stick crowd is here in full force.

unless you are manwin not doing business with them isn't going to change shit.

remember most of the biggest anti-tube white knights still sold them links and traffic on the sly, still promoted juggcash and brazzers.

being a white knight on gfy doesn't pay the bills. who cares.

Yeah everyone will have to make their policy on this now, for sure. Will be interesting to see.

Wow. Amazing how everything I wrote went so far over your head. Anyway, congrats on being in business for your entire adult life (and part of your childhood) and best of luck in continuing your dog-headed quest for relevance.:thumbsup

simple

.xxx costs a fortune. its being sold on fear. many non porn firms are buying in case porn is put on there domain.

.xxx owners have started to sell certain domains for a silly price.

some people seem to have been given .xxx domains free to sugest to us we should buy them.

in a few years chances are most isp's will make .xxx as an opt in, if not ban them.

Will be even more interesting in 6 months when they are all getting called out for saying one thing and doing another. They not only want people to do business with anyone that owns .xxx they want a ban on business with people that do business with people that "support" .xxx. Same game, different ball. :1orglaugh

No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.
Voltaire

.XXX will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If we believe it will fail then it will, and if we believe it will be success then it will be.

If they are a big success and start trying to change the law to move all adult sites onto .XXX , there will be no mercy shown to all of the non-XXX sites. This is Capitalism, so they'll use whatever ruthless technique they can to put their competitors out of business.

IF you can afford to turn down their money, and only IF you can afford to, then do and make it as well known as possible so as more webmasters follow suit :2 cents:

We can all vote with our money and by the rules of business we choose to follow; the way vote now will shape the reality of tomorrow