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Bull Smoke 07-11-2011 08:48 PM

Pharmacist gets 38 years for shooting and killing robber
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8Iy4QpwxQKc

DaddyHalbucks 07-11-2011 08:52 PM

Wow, that's fucked up.

Bull Smoke 07-11-2011 08:53 PM

Check out the video of poor Antwun Parker's distraught mother.

"Antwun wus a kid... he wus a loss kid when he went in there"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W2bd84oobiI

brentbacardi 07-11-2011 08:58 PM

Wow! The world is getting more fucked up daily! :(

twistyneck 07-11-2011 09:25 PM

He should have been given a medal.

TheDoc 07-11-2011 09:42 PM

Yeah, he murdered them kids..... I mean come on, you shoot them, you call the police, you don't reload and put 6 more rounds in the kid.

The threat was gone, you're safe, call the police... reloading though, that totally fe'd up.

bronco67 07-11-2011 10:01 PM

I'm no bleeding heart liberal, and I don't feel bad for a dead thug kid, but --- was the force administered equal to the force of the threat? Were the robbers carrying guns also?

You have the right to defend yourself, but overdoing it will probably not look good to a jury, especially when they have to consider the racial tension element of a not guilty verdict.

media 07-11-2011 10:07 PM

You people that are saying OMG so harsh are not hearing the fact that this man shot a kid. The kid passed was passed out, and the guy reloaded his gun and took time to shoot the kid FIVE more times.. The guy doled out a bit more justice than he should have and he's getting what he deserves.. "Life, WITH the possibility of parole!"

You don't shoot someone who's running away from you.. that's manslaughter.. Anyone with a weapon should know this..

It may not have been malicious, but he should have stopped when the criminal was disabled.. He might be looking at an entirely different verdict if that was the case.

ManuteBol 07-11-2011 10:08 PM

He reloaded, not cool.

Kids were 14 and 16.

jollyperv 07-11-2011 10:17 PM

Maybe a little bit excessive but fuck those kids. Act like a fucking animal and you should be put down like one.

96ukssob 07-11-2011 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18275436)
Yeah, he murdered them kids..... I mean come on, you shoot them, you call the police, you don't reload and put 6 more rounds in the kid.

The threat was gone, you're safe, call the police... reloading though, that totally fe'd up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by media (Post 18275457)
You people that are saying OMG so harsh are not hearing the fact that this man shot a kid. The kid passed was passed out, and the guy reloaded his gun and took time to shoot the kid FIVE more times.. The guy doled out a bit more justice than he should have and he's getting what he deserves.. "Life, WITH the possibility of parole!"

You don't shoot someone who's running away from you.. that's manslaughter.. Anyone with a weapon should know this..

It may not have been malicious, but he should have stopped when the criminal was disabled.. He might be looking at an entirely different verdict if that was the case.

:2 cents:

bit to much IMO, not cool

johnnyloadproductions 07-12-2011 01:27 AM

I read this in the WSJ, the real problem was when he came back after initially shooting the kid he jacked a few more rounds into him and they got him on that.

Brujah 07-12-2011 01:55 AM

Way too excessive and gun owners shouldn't be applauding this mentally unstable asshole. It's people like him and reactions like this that cause more harm to gun rights.

SleazyDream 07-12-2011 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by media (Post 18275457)
You people that are saying OMG so harsh are not hearing the fact that this man shot a kid. The kid passed was passed out, and the guy reloaded his gun and took time to shoot the kid FIVE more times.. The guy doled out a bit more justice than he should have and he's getting what he deserves.. "Life, WITH the possibility of parole!"

You don't shoot someone who's running away from you.. that's manslaughter.. Anyone with a weapon should know this..

It may not have been malicious, but he should have stopped when the criminal was disabled.. He might be looking at an entirely different verdict if that was the case.

exactly. The reloading was unnecessary. kill em with the first shot.

V_RocKs 07-12-2011 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18275436)
Yeah, he murdered them kids..... I mean come on, you shoot them, you call the police, you don't reload and put 6 more rounds in the kid.

The threat was gone, you're safe, call the police... reloading though, that totally fe'd up.

Five more rounds... not six... just five... sheesh!

Guy got way more than the kid would have if it were switched around. Not fair... even if the kid was 25 when he shot the old man he still would have gotten 18 to life with early release in 10....

The Duck 07-12-2011 03:17 AM

He took him out Clint Eastwood style.

elmy 07-12-2011 03:18 AM

robber win

TheDoc 07-12-2011 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18275707)
Five more rounds... not six... just five... sheesh!

Guy got way more than the kid would have if it were switched around. Not fair... even if the kid was 25 when he shot the old man he still would have gotten 18 to life with early release in 10....

hehe.... that actually brings a question to mind, if he put 5 in them after a reload, did he shoot them multiple times the first time or miss several times?

He did get a bit harsh of a punishment... it's not like it's planned murder or something.

JFK 07-12-2011 03:36 AM

after reading a bit of it, yes he deserves time for being excessive, dont think 38 yrs is fair though:2 cents:

GatorB 07-12-2011 05:01 AM

Pretty simple you have a right to defend yourself. However once the threat is gone you DO NOT have the right to kill a motherfucker. If the kid was downand not a threat you call the cops. Don't be Dirty Harry. This is why I dislike guns. Any MORON can have one. Maybe 38 years is a bit much, but I don't feel sorry for the guy. He took it too far. Maybe the next Dirty harry wannabe will think twice. He won't do 38 years anyways. He'll be out within 15 years.

BlackCrayon 07-12-2011 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18275436)
Yeah, he murdered them kids..... I mean come on, you shoot them, you call the police, you don't reload and put 6 more rounds in the kid.

The threat was gone, you're safe, call the police... reloading though, that totally fe'd up.

probably just sick of it happening, and these kids were the straw that broke the camels back. you gonna rob a place, be prepared to die for it. it could happen..dumb fucks.

TheDoc 07-12-2011 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18275854)
probably just sick of it happening, and these kids were the straw that broke the camels back. you gonna rob a place, be prepared to die for it. it could happen..dumb fucks.

Excessive force is a two way door... normally used for police, but does equally bleed over to the public.

Get into fight, defend yourself with a few punches, guy hits the ground and you start boot fucking him, you're going down for excessive force in some manor, before it was self-defense, after you continue on, it's not.

gmr324 07-12-2011 05:29 AM

Quote:

He took him out Clint Eastwood style.
Exactly what I was thinking. I don't even think Clint would have re-loaded.

magicmike 07-12-2011 05:33 AM

Back in school we did a mock trial similar to this situation. Its all in the reload and shooting after there was no threat like many have said.

Said for both parties at the end of the day though.

BlackCrayon 07-12-2011 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18275866)
Excessive force is a two way door... normally used for police, but does equally bleed over to the public.

Get into fight, defend yourself with a few punches, guy hits the ground and you start boot fucking him, you're going down for excessive force in some manor, before it was self-defense, after you continue on, it's not.

cops get away with excessive force all the time. if someone were to rob me, and i had a gun, i would shoot them no matter if they were armed or not. i wouldn't shoot to kill though, just a couple of times in the legs or something.

TheDoc 07-12-2011 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18275946)
cops get away with excessive force all the time. if someone were to rob me, and i had a gun, i would shoot them no matter if they were armed or not. i wouldn't shoot to kill though, just a couple of times in the legs or something.

Yeah, and each day it seems to get worse.

I do however recommend you kill the person, a live person can sue and tell a different side of the story, a dead person can't argue that they were a threat or not.

camperjohn64 07-12-2011 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManuteBol (Post 18275458)
He reloaded, not cool.

Kids were 14 and 16.

Totally cool. He's a hero. Deserves a Bronze Star for his sacrifice. He took one for the team.

The kids commited suicide when they walked in there. Good job that the guy reloaded.

Mike Honcho 07-12-2011 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camperjohn64 (Post 18275983)
Totally cool. He's a hero. Deserves a Bronze Star for his sacrifice. He took one for the team.

The kids commited suicide when they walked in there. Good job that the guy reloaded.

Touchdown!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...down_jesus.jpg

JustJ 07-12-2011 07:33 AM

You dont reload and shoot a down person... especially a kid

michael.kickass 07-12-2011 07:42 AM

Totally fucked up!

JamesGw 07-12-2011 07:47 AM

His fault. Dude should have controlled himself.

Bull Smoke 07-12-2011 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustJ (Post 18276221)
You dont reload and shoot a down person... especially a kid

The 'kid' excuse dosen't hold much weight when he's armed and robbing a store.

RebelR 07-12-2011 08:10 AM

I'm on the fence on this one. Yes the reloading may have been excessive, but just figure what your emotional state would be after being on the receiving end of the robbers guns. People do fucked up things under stress. Your state of mind would probably have gone from one of fear, to anger in a few short minutes. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

Jman 07-12-2011 08:13 AM

When the news goes around in jail this guy will serve some hard times being around robbers and criminals.

THAT will be his worst punishment.

Shey 07-12-2011 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 18275836)
PHe won't do 38 years anyways. He'll be out within 15 years.

I doubt he's got 15 years on him, he will most likely die in prison.

DaddyHalbucks 07-12-2011 08:41 AM

The pharmacist did probably mete out a little more "justice" than the situation called for, especially considering the fact that the perps were kids; HOWEVER, when you are an armed robber, such are the risks. And, their ages may not have been noticeable from the point of view of staring down the barrel of a gun.

When you are victimized the way the pharmacist was, the adrenaline surges. Cops deliver excessive force all the time in similar situations and they are trained professionals --and they are also rarely prosecuted.

Given the extreme stress that the pharmacist experienced, I am not convinced of his criminal intent.

DWB 07-12-2011 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RebelR (Post 18276315)
I'm on the fence on this one. Yes the reloading may have been excessive, but just figure what your emotional state would be after being on the receiving end of the robbers guns. People do fucked up things under stress. Your state of mind would probably have gone from one of fear, to anger in a few short minutes. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

That's what I'm thinking.

Adrenaline can make you do some shit, and there is nothing wrong with making sure they were dead. Pumping more lead into them would be one of those methods.

Personally, I feel if you can catch someone on your property, you should be able to kill them as much as you'd like until the police get there. Then they take the body away and that's that.

Where I live the police actually tell you if someone comes in to make sure they are dead. You get into less trouble if they are dead and on your property (or in the road). It's common for road accidents (car + bike) to have the car back over the bike person, sometimes a few times, to make sure they are dead. Costs less. 80% chance the ambulance staff will steal their organs if they live anyway, so they are fucked either way. Go figure.

MrBottomTooth 07-12-2011 08:58 AM

Ex-military.

http://jeromeersland.org/

Sickening that the charge came about due to the stink raised by the NAACP, (at least according to his website.)

DWB 07-12-2011 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18276393)
HOWEVER, when you are an armed robber, such are the risks. And, their ages may not have been noticeable from the point of view of staring down the barrel of a gun.

A kid with a gun will kill you just as dead as an adult with a gun.

And in the heat of the moment, do you really think he paused to ponder how old they were? I would have done the same thing. Not sure about the reload, but maybe, if I was unsure they were dead.

MrBottomTooth 07-12-2011 09:00 AM

This sums up what those black teenagers were all about rather nicely:

05-31-11

Antwun ?Speedy? Parker?s mom was seen outside Reliable Pharmacy taunting the volunteers who were having people sign Jerome?s petition. She pulled up in her car into the parking lot and told the volunteers to feel free to ?Kiss the big black a** of a millionaire? referring to the Wrongful Death Suit she filed against the pharmacy and Jerome himself. As if that wasn?t enough she came back saying he (Jerome Ersland) is going to be in prison for life no matter how many people sign the petition?

Grapesoda 07-12-2011 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by media (Post 18275457)
You people that are saying OMG so harsh are not hearing the fact that this man shot a kid. The kid passed was passed out, and the guy reloaded his gun and took time to shoot the kid FIVE more times.. The guy doled out a bit more justice than he should have and he's getting what he deserves.. "Life, WITH the possibility of parole!"

You don't shoot someone who's running away from you.. that's manslaughter.. Anyone with a weapon should know this..

It may not have been malicious, but he should have stopped when the criminal was disabled.. He might be looking at an entirely different verdict if that was the case.

yeah, no way would the kid of killed him or anyone else $.02

ottopottomouse 07-12-2011 09:05 AM

Still be alive if they hadn't gone in there to rob him.

Fuck knows how many other robberies they would have done since though.

u-Bob 07-12-2011 09:22 AM

Was is it a smart thing to go back and shoot him 5 more times? Absolutely not.

Would I have gone back and shot him 5 more times? Absolutely not.

Should this behavior be encouraged? Absolutely not.

Was it a righteous kill? Yes, it was.

u-Bob 07-12-2011 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 18276474)
Still be alive if they hadn't gone in there to rob him.

exactly !

Bull Smoke 07-12-2011 09:54 AM

Dealing with 'kids' can also be the most unpredictable of armed robbers. They were also wearing masks and shot him first.

Just Alex 07-12-2011 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18276457)
This sums up what those black teenagers were all about rather nicely:

05-31-11

Antwun ?Speedy? Parker?s mom was seen outside Reliable Pharmacy taunting the volunteers who were having people sign Jerome?s petition. She pulled up in her car into the parking lot and told the volunteers to feel free to ?Kiss the big black a** of a millionaire? referring to the Wrongful Death Suit she filed against the pharmacy and Jerome himself. As if that wasn?t enough she came back saying he (Jerome Ersland) is going to be in prison for life no matter how many people sign the petition?

Big black Momma is happy little Antwun is dead. She ain't gotz nofin to worry bout with dem millionz coming.

shake 07-12-2011 10:12 AM

He should have gotten maybe a small fine for shooting the kids after they were dead / unconscious or maybe an apology to their family - not life in prison.

Better to pick a career as a robber than get 8 years of education as a pharmacist and work hard to create your own business I guess. Seems there's a lot more protection for you in the legal system as a criminal.

_Richard_ 07-12-2011 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18276453)
Ex-military.

http://jeromeersland.org/

Sickening that the charge came about due to the stink raised by the NAACP, (at least according to his website.)

so if it was 14 and 16 year old white kids, do you think he would have shot them? twice?

MrBottomTooth 07-12-2011 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 18276730)
so if it was 14 and 16 year old white kids, do you think he would have shot them? twice?

Yes. Keep in mind these kids exchanged gun fire. It's not like he just started gunning down defenseless robbers with no weapons. They came in there with guns ready to kill.

The pharmacist took a bullet as well.

_Richard_ 07-12-2011 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18276760)
Yes. Keep in mind these kids exchanged gun fire. It's not like he just started gunning down defenseless robbers with no weapons. They came in there with guns ready to kill.

The pharmacist took a bullet as well.

you're sure they came in there with guns?

51 cold blooded murders


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