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Well I am just going by what the site said. It also said the pharmacist was shot, so unless he shot himself they must have had guns.

Oh shit, here's the actual video. He was obviously justified in opening fire the way the first guy was waving the gun around pointing it at the employees, but I can't honestly say he had any right to come back and shoot the kid on the ground. That was pretty brutal.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eed_1243733340

he should have stopped after he took him down and just held him at gunpoint until the police showed up.

Although it says the first bullet hit him in the head, so there's a chance he would have just died anyway waiting for the police / ambulance to show up.

That white guy should do well in prison.

He will be surrounded by plenty of like-minded white guys who think he did the right thing. :1orglaugh

yea that's what i had read, the kid he shot wasn't armed and never was.. the guy has been busted lying a few times now, 'story contradictions' etc

Ya, I don't see the pharmacist being shot at any time either, unless a bullet just grazed him in the initial exchange.

yeah it is called "white guilt" and I bet every white person on that Jury was a typical mushy-brained, fat, lazy, gullible TV addicted turd:321GFY:321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

Look him up and send him some money in prison so this former Air Force lieutenant colonel is a little bit more comfortable and can pay for his appeal.:2 cents:

Lt. Col. (Dr.) Jerome Ersland is a disabled veteran who retired from the United States Air Force. Jerome joined the military and became a pharmacist because he wanted to serve our Country and help his fellow Americans. Due to inoperable broken back / spinal cord injury Jerome is forced to wear a back brace at all times that severely restricts his movement. In spite of this, Jerome still works full time and continues to serve his community. He belongs to the DAV, the American Legion, the VFW, serves as Vice President of his Church and as an advisor for the Boy Scouts.
On May 19, 2009 at closing time when all the controlled substances and money were out for counting two armed robbers wearing ski-masks came to Reliable Pharmacy. One of the three employees inadvertently pushed the button allowing them in. As soon as the door opened, one of the robbers carefully placed a board in the doorway securing their exit. At the same time, the other robber pulled out his pistol demanding drugs and money threatening to kill anyone that did not comply. These robbers had been coached exactly which narcotics had the most street value according to 'The Oklahoman Newspaper' reporter Nolan Clay. As employees were retreating to the back of the store, Shots were fired and one of the robbers bullets struck Jerome. He returned fire killing one of the robbers. Jerome saved the employees lives, and prevented approximately $660,000 (street-value) worth of drugs from being stolen. His brave actions helped police apprehend other people involved in the planning and execution of this intricate, armed gang related robbery. Also, according to Nolan Clay these people were "alleged ring leaders previously convicted of thefts and assaults." When the Oklahoma City Police arrived, they told Jerome he was a hero.

Eight days later, Oklahoma County D.A. David Prater charged him with murder one at the request of the NAACP. Jerome is now bankrupt, having spent his whole retirement and all of his current salary goes to lawyer fees. He pays 100k in bond every year (twice so far) and even though he hasn't been convicted, he is on house arrest. Jerome wears a GPS ankle tracking device that also cost around $480 a month! Jerome has to get permission a full week in advance for a simple trip to the store. Jerome has served honorably in our military, plays an active role in our community, and SAVED the lives of his employees. Jerome is a hero, a veteran, a friendly neighbor! Please consider a personal donation to help Jerome continue fighting this injustice!

Governor Mary Fallen has the authority to ?pardon? Jerome Ersland for the conviction of 1st Degree Murder. If you would like to contact her with your opinion you'll find the information below?

Governor Mary Fallen:
2300 Lincoln Blvd. Suite 212 Oklahoma City, OK 73105

Phone: (405)521-2342

e-mail: [email protected]


updates: 06-01-11

4 black teens, aged from approx. 15 to 19 came by Reliable Pharmacy and were spitting on the female volunteers, cussing at them and finally ripping the American flag off of the pole outside Reliable Pharmacy and jumping on it. From their comments it sounded as if they feel the crime was racially motivated when in reality anyone who came in with a mask and gun would have been shot. He would treat all armed robbers equally?

05-31-11

Antwun ?Speedy? Parker?s mom was seen outside Reliable Pharmacy taunting the volunteers who were having people sign Jerome?s petition. She pulled up in her car into the parking lot and told the volunteers to feel free to ?Kiss the big black a** of a millionaire? referring to the Wrongful Death Suit she filed against the pharmacy and Jerome himself. As if that wasn?t enough she came back saying he (Jerome Ersland) is going to be in prison for life no matter how many people sign the petition?

I just ordered a shirt, called the governors office and told them I hope the Governor has the courage to step in and do something about this injustice.

I will post a pic when I get the t shirt.

http://jeromeersland.org

http://jeromeersland.org/images/TShirtAcquit.jpg

Sweet justice!!! That shithead DA who prosecuted the pharmacist for 1st degree murder got bitch slapped by one of the savages who set up the robbery. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


http://www.newson6.com/story/1455492...y-found-guilty

The pharmacist did society a favor and if you are throwing him under the bus, I hope you remember this thread when you get robbed and shot by gun wielding 'kids'.

Its not a race issue, its about kids who are bad news and are likely to spend their whole lives in the 'system', who knows how many lives they take with them. Its also about hard working productive members of society being preyed upon by low life scum. Luckily this young gangster was stopped out early. Good riddance. The only person who will miss him is his crack head mother.

He's counting out boner pills one second, wearing his ridiculous white coat as barry manilow plays in the background, and the next thing he knows, he's being robbed at gunpoint by youths. the adrenaline jolt would be enough that he shouldn't be held accountable for anything he did for the next few minutes. poor guy.

The cops will shoot you for waving a stick at them. They just shot a nog yesterday because he hit them with a can of beer. Just because he already has a bullet in him doesnt mean hes not still a threat.

did you hear what he told the police when they asked how he got that back injury?

or for being a deaf native american woodcarver..

you know, this has to be said.

The parents ADMITTED the kids were in the wrong crowd. That means kill the thugs or not, the thugs are coming back for revenge. If someone comes to kill you, honestly, fuck the law, kill em. I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 8. I'm not an eye for an eye kind of guy, but reality is with idiots coming after your life, they don't stop, they keep coming. They twist it so that they think you are the one who wronged them. They had a right to steal from you in their mind. If you don't kill them, they go to the hospital, heal, and then come back and shoot you dead.

hey - everyone has dirt on them, I could say you acted like an idiot when you heard from me that a mutual friend died. Does that mean everything you do or say from now on isn't valid?

OK, immediate threat gone when thug goes down, but that doesn't mean a thug coming in to rob you doesn't deserve an extra clip, esp if there was threats of coming back for revenge. You try and rob me with a gun, and tell me you'll come for me no matter what, and I get the drop on you... you're getting a slug in the head.

hard case to call, I want more facts and would love to see the court transcript.

Listen do you want to live in a CIVILIZED society or in anarchy where everyone is their own judge, jury and executioner? Anarchy isn't total freedom it's actually LESS freedom. Yes the guy had the right to shoot the intruders especially if one had a gun. And if they died in the process so be it. But he DID NOT have the right to shoot and kill an unarmed assailant that was already disabled and not a threat. He should have called the cops at that point but decided to be a bad ass. That's on him.

Actually, under anarchism there would be less crime. In an anarchist world protection agencies would not have a monopoly like the state has now (and therefor the state has no incentive to do a good job) and would need to make sure they provide a better service than their competitors if they want to increase their market share.

Not just robbed at gunpoint, but shot at.

Who's to say how any otherwise rational person would react during the next few minutes.

The system is broken and it has been for a very long time.

Of you had a gun, hopefully you would take a class and then know better. Since you don't, you have no reason to have taken any classes and no reason to know how to handle a weapon, so I don't fault you for not knowing.

If you are on imminent danger, you shot to STOP. That generally means a double tap to center mass. If you have plenty of time to carefully aim a couple of shots at a moving limb you are not in imminent danger and you do not shoot.

Shooting to maim means you don't think you are about to be killed , so you will be put in prison while your victim lives in your house, which he won in the law suit.

A close friend of mine recently faced felony charges for this type of thing. If she was not afraid that she was about to die, she should not have fired. If she WAS afraid for her life, she shouldn't try any tricky shots, but rather shoot straight at the center of the target to stop the threat ASAP.

If I fall so low in my life that I need to rob pharmacies to survive, sure, put me out of my misery.

This kid was bad news, and nobody can argue that the world will not be just a little bit of a better place without him and with the message it sent through the community that when you rob, you just might get killed.

Even a 5th grader knows that actions have consequences.

Did any of you complaining about him getting convicted actually watch the video? This is the case of the guy that shot the robber (14 yo kid) walk away to get more bullets went back and shot him again.

The guy was no longer in danger at that point, so the secondary shooting became murder. It's only self defense if your life is in danger, and once the guy is shot and immobile your life is no longer in danger. Had he not reloaded his gun and shot the robber the second time he would have never been brought up on charges in the 1st place.

The character assassination waged on this man and his friends is disgusting. That turd of a reporter Nolan Clay is just doing favors for the DA and others so that when re-election comes up the sheep will not hold this case against him. They even digged into the past of people who were simply collecting signatures for the petition to have the Governor pardon him. Character assassination at its most obvious :321GFY

White men are not allowed to shoot black children, they deserve to rob everyone they come across because they have a disadvantaged childhood. Savage white man holding them and their parents down. That cracker should have been sentenced to death.

First it was race cards and race baiting :



Then you actually checked the facts.



So typical.

Go racial as hell and then try to find the facts.


:disgust

I think many people agree he should get manslaughter but not murder.

There are two choices :

1. Murder
2. Not murder

There is no way to apply manslaughter to five shots in the belly 30 seconds after the
head shot.


:1orglaugh

No doubt :thumbsup

Maybe he though the kids would come back later a kill him.
Next time use a bigger clip so you don't have to reload.:2 cents:

video

He had every right in the world to open fire he just crossed the line at walking out the door going to reload then going back to shoot him the second time. TBH, I'm glad he shot the little fucker, too bad he didn't get both of them. It's one less shit-stain in the gene pool to pollute the world. Little punks that want to play with guns deserve what they get when they end up dead on a platter.

The dumb part was the guy going back and shooting him the second time. He also played his role of being a stupid ass and he will now face his penalty. I can only hope that the kids family gets no money out of this because 2 wrongs should not benefit them as the kids put their lives and others on the line when they decided to be punk ass bitches with guns.

Agreed.

The pharmacist slipped up, but consider the horrific circumstances of being robbed at gun point.

I wonder if the defense considered something like temporary insanity...I don't know about you guys but I would have been completely out of my mind if somebody pointed a gun at me

But this is common on the Internet... They take a single fact that makes it look horrible and ignore the rest of the story.

In this case they make it sound like an innocent man shot and killed two robbers. The truth is he shot two teens who were robbing the place, called the cops, and then came back and finished them off... At a certain point in time you cross the line between protecting yourself and murdering two people. Huge difference.

Politics is no different at this point.

This is a prime example of the risks involved with gun ownership for self protection. This man panicked in a high stress situation with a gun in his hands and now he is going to prison for life.

Robbers carry guns for two reasons; shock value and to protect themselves against an armed target. You are actually much better off remaining calm, not looking at them and complying with their demands. When taking all armed robberies into account, it is extremely rare that they shoot.

The alternative is to pull out your own gun, but this highly increases the chances of having shots fired at you.

The jury heard the evidence and recommended life. The people who know the facts spoke.

He went from the scene, reloaded, came back and shot a person laying on the floor passed out.

Plus the guy was stupid, what if the robbers friend had returned with a gun and he's left standing there with an empty one?

Convicted by 12 men good and true, in a redneck State I think, and got what he should of got.

Actually in anarchy everyone would be for themselves.

He got 38 years not life. He'll serve less than half.

Yeah but that applies to like 90% of crimes. How many times have we seen someone get pulled over for a small traffic violation, get scared about what the police MIGHT find, take off and end up ramming a police cruiser, driving their car into a house, etc.

Just here a few weeks ago a police officer was killed by a 15 year old kid. He pulled over a van full of kids, walked to the drivers window, asked him to turn off the car, when the kid didn't, the cop reached in to turn the keys himself, the kid steps on the gas, and 300 metres later the van flips over, lands on the cop, he dies. The kid had borrowed his family's car for a joyride, now he's in jail forever for murdering a cop.

Do you actually believe that or just so lost it seems possible?

Look at the way big business fucks the populace and you want them setting up protection agencies? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Their walled communities would have machine gun turrets and land mines around the perimeter. The people would be left to look after themselves. The crooks and thugs would soon over whelm everything but the very rich who own the protection agencies.

Also protection agencies would cost a lot more to be as effective and if they kill a few innocent bystanders or even the victims of crime. Who convicts them?

Please don't come up with a "peoples court". I listened to hippies in the 60s spouting your rubbish and it didn't sound any saner then.

The "facts" didn't change the fact that the mother is a piece of shit, as were the robbing, gun-wielding kids. Having said that, after seeing the video, the pharmacist did go too far by reloading and shooting again, because he was clearly out of danger. It's just too bad he didn't wait and let the kid die by his first shot to the head, then the whole scene would have been legit.

Has nothing to do with race. The NAACP are the ones that brought race into it. As did you. Typical, that's about all you do on here. Aren't you the guy that once said he thought OJ was innocent?

And what kind of a piece of shit goes around bragging how rich she'll be because of her son's death? Too bad she didn't take a bullet as well.

temporary insanity. someone shoots at me, i'm sure i'd loose my shit.

thanks for the tips. yes if i were to get a gun i would definitely take some classes but hopefully I never feel the need to own one.

That guy won't survive fifteen years in prison.

By the looks of him, I doubt that he'd last much longer than that even on the outside.

Not saying what the man did was completely right, but he did receive a life sentence.

Which is no different from our current situation. The difference between anarchism and our current system is that under anarchism no one has the right to act against someone unless the other party first violated his property rights.

Anarchism isn't chaos, it's voluntary association.

It's a situation where people decide for themselves who they want to do business with and who they want to ignore. It's a situation where people aren't forced to buy security services from the state, where people aren't forced to buy insurance from the state or its allies. It's a situation where responsible behavior gets rewarded. It's a situation where those who provide products and services that other people value and are thus willing to pay for get rewarded. It's a situation where those who run their business in an irresponsible way don't get bailed out with tax payer money.

Our current system is one where a small group of people use the force of the state to get richer at the expense of others.

Yes, people look out for themselves. Most do in a responsible way, some do it in a criminal way. criminals exist and will always continue to exist. The fact that we have the state didn't change that.

In fact the last thing you want if criminals exist is a position of power that can be used to control the population because the first thing those criminals will want to do is gain control of that position of power (the state). Why rob someone at gun point, if you can make laws to cripple your competition. Why worry about making mistakes when your buddies will bail you out anyway.

So you rather put your faith in 1 big Corporation (the state)? a company that you have no control over whatsoever.

btw: I hope you don't really believe the state protects you against those evil corporations. I recommend you take a look at the work of for example Butler Shaffer. In his book "In Restraint of Trade" he does a great job of explaining how those regulations that are officially intended to curb the influence of big corporations actually benefits big corporations and harm small business and entrepreneurs.


If there is a demand for protection, then the market will provide solutions. Unlike you, who puts his trust in one big corporation, I put my faith in the creativity of billions of individuals.


Private security companies would actually have an incentive to do a good job because otherwise you would leave and buy protection from another company.

The state and its security forces (the police) have no incentive to do a good job and protect you or your property. If a burglar enters your cottage and steals your scanner and you report it to the police and they don't get you your scanner back, then the police officers still get paid and you still have to continue paying them (taxation).

If a private security company fails to protect you, you simply stop paying them and are free to go to the competition.

We all know why monopolies are bad: the price of the products goes up and the quality of the products goes down because there is no competition. Well, the biggest monopoly holder is the state.

video (good explanation of how private law companies would function): http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...3777493774248#

check the video. For further reading check the work of Hans-Herman Hoppe (on private defense), Bruce Benson (The Enterprise of Law: Justice without the State), Daniel D'Amico (on the prison system),....