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dyna mo 03-21-2011 07:14 AM

enough with the "why no looting in japan" bullshit.
 
here are some common sense reasons for those of you who think there is/was no looting and that the reason there was not was due to some sort of japanese higher ethic.

bullshit.

1. Entire towns were washed away. In the hardest hit areas, there was little left to loot and few left to loot it.

2. the scope of the disaster is so great —it isn’t as if the media is going to stop and figure out whether any electronics stores have been ransacked. The proper response to anyone crowing about a lack of looting in Japan should be, “How do you know?”

3. the entire idea of there being no looting plays into our preconceptions about Japan, a nation where — I’m sorry to be the one to tell you — there is indeed crime, indeed poverty.

4. tsk-tsking over the supposed lack of looting in Japan is a not-so-sly way for people to voice the kind of ugly racial prejudice that some of us just itch to articulate, to wag a finger at americans.

5. I saved the best point for last —
THERE IS LOOTING IN JAPAN, as reported in the Japanese media.

From a website of Kyodo News, Japan’s version of CNN, headlined, in Japanese:

“In Miyagi, police report 40 robberies by those taking advantage of the earthquake.”

The text, translated, reads:

“According to police on the night of the 13th the morning of the 14, approximately 1 million yen in cash was taken from the Miyagi City Home Center. There were robberies at a convenience store and a food store, and robberies at approximately 40 other stores by those taking advantage of the earthquake amounting to 1.65 million yen.”




I’m not expecting these facts to change anybody’s mind. Because bigotry isn’t about fitting your worldview around reality, it’s about finding examples of reality that fit your worldview, and if the looting-in-Japan claims stop doing the trick, it’s on to something else.

Grapesoda 03-21-2011 07:17 AM

robbery is not exactly 'looting'

dyna mo 03-21-2011 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 17993659)
robbery is not exactly 'looting'

riiiiiiiight


loot (lt)
n.
1. Valuables pillaged in time of war; spoils.
2. Stolen goods.
3. Informal Goods illicitly obtained.

1. To pillage; spoil.
2. To take as spoils; steal.

dyna mo 03-21-2011 07:23 AM

robberies at approximately 40 other stores by those taking advantage of the earthquake amounting to 1.65 million yen.


yeah, that's not looting whatsoever.

CaptainHowdy 03-21-2011 07:29 AM

I'm looting this thread ...

sperbonzo 03-21-2011 07:31 AM

Good Thread Dyna_Mo.

Unfortunately, most people don't diversify their news sources enough.


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ottopottomouse 03-21-2011 07:32 AM

Did you pick up anything good though?

dyna mo 03-21-2011 07:35 AM

so much for japanese *honor* lolz

s of the 14th of March, Prefectural Police in Miyagi reported 40 known cases of looting. An earlier article (on the 13th - there were 21 cases of known looting by then) quoted a police officer noting that known looting cases were likely only a tiny fraction of the actual looting. He also warned store owners to watch out and protect themselves.
http://www.47news.jp/CN/201103/CN2011031401000769.html
An article from a different source on the 17th reported at least 146(!) cases of looting, including failed attempts that resulted in an arrest. Some of the looting is food, but also people taking cash and brand name clothing. The article also talks about a man at an evacuation center attempting to molest a little girl.

http://www.asahi.com/special/10005/TKY201103170165.html

Here is article about how people in Tokyo hoarding food and gas are causing trouble for people in the real disaster areas up north.
http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/...E38297EAE2E2E2

Here is a report about people fraudulently posing as Tokyo Electric Power employees and visiting homes to trick people into paying for "repairs".
http://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/ib...702000077.html

here is a video of japanese looters after the catastrophe, certainly not as aggressive as the looters in haiti for instance, but looting nevertheless.

pornpf69 03-21-2011 07:37 AM

if something like that happened in Brazil they would have crashed the crashed building to steal anything they could steal... (they did it when there was a "small" flood in the south of Brazil)....

Grapesoda 03-21-2011 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17993669)
robberies at approximately 40 other stores by those taking advantage of the earthquake amounting to 1.65 million yen.


yeah, that's not looting whatsoever.

that's the jap mafia sending guys over to pick the cash up.. not jap urbans stealing shit like TV's

dyna mo 03-21-2011 07:44 AM

The idea that there is no looting in Japan is just the other side of the standard stereotype about how Japanese people are cold, emotionless automatons.

cwd 03-21-2011 07:45 AM

wait, so you are saying there are assholes everywhere?!?! lol

all in all, I would take my chances in Japan after a major catastrophe over most countries.

Chezter 03-21-2011 07:58 AM

Wrong, Japanese really are the most high evolved race on this planet, even tests of intelligence based on race confirmed that years ago, but it is politically incorrect to say that some races are simply higher than others... Try to find something about level of crime in Japan, number of murders etc.. then you will find out why there is no looting there.

dyna mo 03-21-2011 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chezter (Post 17993748)
Wrong, Japanese really are the most high evolved race on this planet, even tests of intelligence based on race confirmed that years ago, but it is politically incorrect to say that some races are simply higher than others... Try to find something about level of crime in Japan, number of murders etc.. then you will find out why there is no looting there.

this has been addressed here:
Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17993655)

I?m not expecting these facts to change anybody?s mind. Because bigotry isn?t about fitting your worldview around reality, it?s about finding examples of reality that fit your worldview, and if the looting-in-Japan claims stop doing the trick, it?s on to something else.


Tom_PM 03-21-2011 08:12 AM

Did any person actually believe that there was utterly and absolutely zero instances of looting to begin with? Stop. Come on. Nuh uh. No way. Did not.

PR_Glen 03-21-2011 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chezter (Post 17993748)
Wrong, Japanese really are the most high evolved race on this planet, even tests of intelligence based on race confirmed that years ago, but it is politically incorrect to say that some races are simply higher than others... Try to find something about level of crime in Japan, number of murders etc.. then you will find out why there is no looting there.

tests of intelligence based on race? How does one test intelligence? IQ tests? What are those worth? Plenty of people with 'genius' iq's doing nothing in this world (see MENSA)

Here's what you did, you read an article in high times magazine and at some point in this article you read that a scientist was involved. But the reality was the scientist was self proclaimed and unpublished until he came up with the drug induced realization that an entire race of people can be summed up with a short test. The proof was made up from his test partner Yoji who happened to be half Japanese and could 'prove' his theory...

case closed, i feel better now....

dyna mo 03-21-2011 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17993774)
Did any person actually believe that there was utterly and absolutely zero instances of looting to begin with? Stop. Come on. Nuh uh. No way. Did not.

common sense view right here. anybody that took a moment to think about it all would come to this same thought.

Phoenix 03-21-2011 08:21 AM

you are really wound up about this.
can you focus the same energy and give a report about the nuclear situation there...k thanks

dyna mo 03-21-2011 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 17993790)
you are really wound up about this.
can you focus the same energy and give a report about the nuclear situation there...k thanks

i already did that, several times.

bronco67 03-21-2011 08:42 AM

It's always a backhanded passive aggressive jab at the US, whenever someone makes this comment.

Granted, I do think the Japanese people probably have more honor and dignity than my fellow Americans.

dyna mo 03-21-2011 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17993836)
It's always a backhanded passive aggressive jab at the US, whenever someone makes this comment.

Granted, I do think the Japanese people probably have more honor and dignity than my fellow Americans.

this is another thoughtful comment about the topic.

i agree, it is a jab.

i've thought about the honor/dignity thing quite a bit, i think it's more stoicism though.

while the japanese have a history that does not support their being honorable, they do tend to *save face* in times of hardship.

will76 03-21-2011 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17993655)
here are some common sense reasons for those of you who think there is/was no looting and that the reason there was not was due to some sort of japanese higher ethic.

bullshit.

1. Entire towns were washed away. In the hardest hit areas, there was little left to loot and few left to loot it.

2. the scope of the disaster is so great ?it isn?t as if the media is going to stop and figure out whether any electronics stores have been ransacked. The proper response to anyone crowing about a lack of looting in Japan should be, ?How do you know??

3. the entire idea of there being no looting plays into our preconceptions about Japan, a nation where ? I?m sorry to be the one to tell you ? there is indeed crime, indeed poverty.

4. tsk-tsking over the supposed lack of looting in Japan is a not-so-sly way for people to voice the kind of ugly racial prejudice that some of us just itch to articulate, to wag a finger at americans.

5. I saved the best point for last ?
THERE IS LOOTING IN JAPAN, as reported in the Japanese media.

From a website of Kyodo News, Japan?s version of CNN, headlined, in Japanese:

?In Miyagi, police report 40 robberies by those taking advantage of the earthquake.?

The text, translated, reads:

?According to police on the night of the 13th the morning of the 14, approximately 1 million yen in cash was taken from the Miyagi City Home Center. There were robberies at a convenience store and a food store, and robberies at approximately 40 other stores by those taking advantage of the earthquake amounting to 1.65 million yen.?




I?m not expecting these facts to change anybody?s mind. Because bigotry isn?t about fitting your worldview around reality, it?s about finding examples of reality that fit your worldview, and if the looting-in-Japan claims stop doing the trick, it?s on to something else.

You forgot the main reason... looting takes place BEFORE the relief workers get there with the food,water, etc. NOT after. Once they show up with water,food, cots, setting up tents, evacuating people etc... there is no need to loot.

The media was not in every town waiting for the earth quake to hit. The govt workers clearing the roads were the first ones in followed by the relief workers/ supplies and then the media. No one really knows what happened in those hard hit towns before the media got there. The media weren't the first ones in to see what was going on, they were the last.

Lint 03-21-2011 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chezter (Post 17993748)
Wrong, Japanese really are the most high evolved race on this planet, even tests of intelligence based on race confirmed that years ago, but it is politically incorrect to say that some races are simply higher than others... Try to find something about level of crime in Japan, number of murders etc.. then you will find out why there is no looting there.


Yes, they (the japanese master race) are indeed the most "evolved race" on this planet, as the videos below clearly show. A high IQ, preferably above 150, is recommended to fully grasp the complexity of "Stacking Food on Animals" and "Escaping Farts".




DaddyHalbucks 03-21-2011 09:31 AM

"No looting" is an absolute. It means 0. I don't think anyone believes that literally no one took advantage of the recent disaster.

A few exceptional cases prove.. nothing.

Real life is more nuanced than that.

The real question is: why was there such rampant looting during Hurricane Katrina, and why are the masses of Japanese much more restrained and honorable?

TheDA 03-21-2011 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 17993967)
"No looting" is an absolute. It means 0. I don't think anyone believes that literally no one took advantage of the recent disaster.

A few exceptional cases prove.. nothing.

Real life is more nuanced than that.

The real question is: why was there such rampant looting during Hurricane Katrina, and why are the masses of Japanese much more restrained and honorable?

That's the way i see it too.

dyna mo 03-21-2011 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 17993967)
"No looting" is an absolute. It means 0. I don't think anyone believes that literally no one took advantage of the recent disaster.

A few exceptional cases prove.. nothing.

Real life is more nuanced than that.

The real question is: why was there such rampant looting during Hurricane Katrina, and why are the masses of Japanese much more restrained and honorable?

many people have taken the no looting thing as an absolute.

katrina: most all the law-abiding people cleared out prior to katrina, leaving the criminals to roam free. at least that's the most common explanation i have come across.

japan: the people stayed, they did not evacuate, since there was little warning. and the police were stationed around to quell illegal activity after the earthquake/tsunami. and they wanted to save face. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_%2...cal_concept%29

Bladewire 03-21-2011 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17993655)
here are some common sense reasons for those of you who think there is/was no looting and that the reason there was not was due to some sort of japanese higher ethic.

bullshit.

1. Entire towns were washed away. In the hardest hit areas, there was little left to loot and few left to loot it.

2. the scope of the disaster is so great ?it isn?t as if the media is going to stop and figure out whether any electronics stores have been ransacked. The proper response to anyone crowing about a lack of looting in Japan should be, ?How do you know??

3. the entire idea of there being no looting plays into our preconceptions about Japan, a nation where ? I?m sorry to be the one to tell you ? there is indeed crime, indeed poverty.

4. tsk-tsking over the supposed lack of looting in Japan is a not-so-sly way for people to voice the kind of ugly racial prejudice that some of us just itch to articulate, to wag a finger at americans.

5. I saved the best point for last ?
THERE IS LOOTING IN JAPAN, as reported in the Japanese media.

From a website of Kyodo News, Japan?s version of CNN, headlined, in Japanese:

?In Miyagi, police report 40 robberies by those taking advantage of the earthquake.?

The text, translated, reads:

?According to police on the night of the 13th the morning of the 14, approximately 1 million yen in cash was taken from the Miyagi City Home Center. There were robberies at a convenience store and a food store, and robberies at approximately 40 other stores by those taking advantage of the earthquake amounting to 1.65 million yen.?




I?m not expecting these facts to change anybody?s mind. Because bigotry isn?t about fitting your worldview around reality, it?s about finding examples of reality that fit your worldview, and if the looting-in-Japan claims stop doing the trick, it?s on to something else.

Didn't you say it had something to do with Karma? http://www.saibabaofindia.com/images...ated_karma.gif

dyna mo 03-21-2011 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squirtit (Post 17994006)
didn't you say it had something to do with karma? http://www.saibabaofindia.com/images...ated_karma.gif

zomg!!!!

Tom_PM 03-21-2011 10:02 AM

Getting food, drink, blankets, clothing is fair game to me if my whole town was washed a mile up the valley and all I can see is debris.

There could even be a cop somewhere in Japan looting a walmart with a shopping cart, I just TEND to doubt it. I'dve actually doubted it ANYWHERE until I saw it after Katrina. That was just disgusting behavior.

Lint 03-21-2011 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17993655)
here are some common sense reasons for those of you who think there is/was no looting and that the reason there was not was due to some sort of japanese higher ethic.

bullshit.

1. Entire towns were washed away. In the hardest hit areas, there was little left to loot and few left to loot it.

2. the scope of the disaster is so great ?it isn?t as if the media is going to stop and figure out whether any electronics stores have been ransacked. The proper response to anyone crowing about a lack of looting in Japan should be, ?How do you know??

3. the entire idea of there being no looting plays into our preconceptions about Japan, a nation where ? I?m sorry to be the one to tell you ? there is indeed crime, indeed poverty.

4. tsk-tsking over the supposed lack of looting in Japan is a not-so-sly way for people to voice the kind of ugly racial prejudice that some of us just itch to articulate, to wag a finger at americans.

5. I saved the best point for last ?
THERE IS LOOTING IN JAPAN, as reported in the Japanese media.

From a website of Kyodo News, Japan?s version of CNN, headlined, in Japanese:

?In Miyagi, police report 40 robberies by those taking advantage of the earthquake.?

The text, translated, reads:

?According to police on the night of the 13th the morning of the 14, approximately 1 million yen in cash was taken from the Miyagi City Home Center. There were robberies at a convenience store and a food store, and robberies at approximately 40 other stores by those taking advantage of the earthquake amounting to 1.65 million yen.?




I?m not expecting these facts to change anybody?s mind. Because bigotry isn?t about fitting your worldview around reality, it?s about finding examples of reality that fit your worldview, and if the looting-in-Japan claims stop doing the trick, it?s on to something else.


That's not even your own words. "You saved the best point for last" - You? Right. No, you did not do anything except copy pasted a bunch of sentences and paragraphs from a news paper column and pretend it to be your own words.

Can't you think or speak for yourself?

Lint 03-21-2011 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17993655)
4. tsk-tsking over the supposed lack of looting in Japan is a not-so-sly way for people to voice the kind of ugly racial prejudice that some of us just itch to articulate, to wag a finger at americans.

Quote:

Fourth, tsk-tsking over the supposed lack of looting in Japan is a not-so-sly way for Americans to voice the kind of ugly racial prejudice that some of us just itch to articulate, to wag a finger at black residents of New Orleans (after five years, geez, let it rest) for stripping grocery stores after Hurricane Katrina.
What a hack job.

ottopottomouse 03-21-2011 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lint (Post 17993955)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sagi 03-21-2011 10:26 AM

I wouldn't be surprised is looting is related to the age of the population. The Japanese are old.

TheDA 03-21-2011 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lint (Post 17994073)
That's not even your own words. "You saved the best point for last" - You? Right. No, you did not do anything except copy pasted a bunch of sentences and paragraphs from a news paper column and pretend it to be your own words.

Can't you think or speak for yourself?

Maybe this is actually Dyna Mo :)

http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/site...nbergcolor.jpg

http://www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/index.html

http://www.suntimes.com/news/steinbe...-in-japan.html

Lint 03-21-2011 10:45 AM

:winkwink::1orglaugh

dyna mo 03-21-2011 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lint (Post 17994073)
That's not even your own words. "You saved the best point for last" - You? Right. No, you did not do anything except copy pasted a bunch of sentences and paragraphs from a news paper column and pretend it to be your own words.

Can't you think or speak for yourself?

who gives a fuck. you think i do? lolz. i never said they were my words dipshit.

fact is, my point was made and the thread provoked a discussion.

what's your contribution? oh yeah, playing like you made some sort of brilliant discovery about a few words on looting in a thread at gfy. wow.


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