What is with revshare doing cross sales
 

What the fuck is up with all the programs out there cheating revshare webmasters with doing prechecked cross sales on revshare links. Since when is revshare now a spot to x-sale and not give credit to the webmasters?

A quick search this evening has uncovered the following so far.. im sure there is more, please add.

At least Twistys give us the opportunity to choose a different payout

to the rest of you .. take them out!.. stop stealing..else quit bitching about tubes

Juggcash (prechecked)
Braincash (unchecked)
Famedollars (Prechecked)
Blazing Bucks (prechecked)
Met Art (unchecked)
Bang Bros (Prechecked)
Smashbucks (Prechecked)
Melissa Midwest (prechecked)
Suze.net (prechecked)
Teenrevenue (prechecked)
VideoSZ (Prechecked)
Matts Models (unchecked)

Nurgle

Fucken newbies...Always bitching about something. :glugglug

LOL thanks Aaron.. but seriously when has revshare started being not revshare.. i normally pay attention to things

programs like NScash, MP have never done it.. its called revshare for a reason

Rapeshare is PPS.. and u can expect to be raped there.. but revshare.. get stuffed!

Yep, a real strange technique. At least they must have an option with no xsells for their webmasters.

get over it and welcome to the real world

you get a cut of the sign up, that is IT, don't like it, stop whining and move along to the next program

shit, 90% of the mainstream sites I sell to upsell 20 things on the sign up form, but I still only get a cut of the actual sale

Just curious but how is he a noob when he actually joined GFY before you?

actually the list is much more bigger (almost all big names are into this)

but the point you brought is absoulutely right, though it seems like noone cares, all the folks promoting those programs are into crazy/messy PPS

I find it strange the guys doing revshare wouldnt care.. if the list is bigger and im sure it is.. please feel free to add to it.. this is absolute nonsense, revshare is supposed to be a partnership and always has been.. no wonder conversion rates are down

If this was the reason, sales wouldn't be good ever in adult. I always thought cross-sales have impact on sales, rebills, etc...but the fact is they don't.

cross sales on revshare share is a relative new thing i reckon.. and the programs that have it i have worse ratio than those without it :)

we have standard rev share, and a 60/50 with up 60 recurring that has a precheck. But this is not the default, and you have to specifically choose that option. We didn't superimpose it over anyones links. I think it's the most fair way possible.
Duke

do you really think that list will change a thing?
if webmasters don't bother to check the stuff they are promoting, what makes you think the list will change something?

Its not going away and the best thing as an affiliate to do is ask for more of a % from the revshare links

just a coincidence, other factors are important when it comes to sales ratios

Hi!

What about the webcam sites and Revs for life option?Is the revsh really revsh on sites like: Webcams.com / Imlive.com /cams.com ?!

why should i have to check my links every week to all the programs i promote.. a lot of these are newly added.. and ive been promoting them for yrs

you are right
i've removed many programs doing shady or blind x-sells from sbd and you'll find the list on the site

we don't and won't list such programs at signbucks daily, but i'll reply in this thread once i or signbucks will see any

Agreed, it seems to be getting to a point where you have to check often, and go beyond the join page, but actually to see what has been added to the tours, and the billers page.

BTW, have you noticed the number of sites that have started adding links to their links list, or their social pages (myspace, twitter, etc.) on the tours?

More traffic leakage..

This isn't anything new... it has been happening from the dawn of revshare.

Programs aren't created equal... revshare doesn't mean every bit of revenue ever earned is shared. It means the main point of sales is yours, once gone.... it's fair game.

Everyone else is being nice and sharing more with you.

At the end of the day, it doesn't mean you will convert better or make more money. At the end of the day, it isn't about you.....

See your just talking shit, and clearly dont understand REVSHARE.

Even if its is as u say that they arent created equal... fine.. many of these sites have added these in after we have joined.. ive promoted many of these for years. They should contact their webmasters or make an announcement in their stats area saying hey we are no longer true revshare. feel free to stop promoting us

as for fair game.. this isnt PPS.. revshare traffic is NOT fair game

Clearly u dont understand the difference between revshare and PPS else you wouldnt have written such a stupid post

Yeah, the simple of it... revenue share with the site you are promoting.

Well, hell.. programs should start treating it that way then. Split the processing fee (so not 50% revshare, now like 45-40%, and cb's, refunds, the fees with those, bandwidth, the content cost... staff costs..

Let's really revenue share, like we should, let's become technical.... Your cut is now under 30%.. That's what revenue share means to the dictionary.


Now to the rest of the world... it means share the sale you produce on the main sales page OR to the site you are pushing. It doesn't mean, split everything with you - like you are thinking.

Adult Affiliates... like to "add" to the meaning, but not take any more risk..


PPS and Revshare when it comes to CREDITING the sale is no different. You should only get credit for sales produced to the site you are pushing.... Period.

And if you really want your "share" the cut would be well under 50%..

Greedy ass affiliates..

quite simply ure a jackass with no fucking clue

He actually has a clue...and a lot of experience on top of that.

of stealing from affiates?

He's right. When you have two pre-checks and you see the surfer only taking one, then you know they are seeing it, wanting the other site, and won't CB.

Mobile CB's/credits due to xsales is even lower. Because of how it displays on the phone, it's clear and no one could possibly miss it. No xsales on mobile revshare though.

times are a changing.

You should really try to run a paysite with exclusive content. It isn't a walk in the park.

And the affiliate can always hit up the paysite owner and ask him for "clean" links, if its a big issue to him.

But I guarantee you it has NO impact on affiliate sales, so they aren't affected.

my point is i shouldnt have to check every week to see whats been added from what were originally clean links

i do run paysites, and no its not a walk in the park.. doesnt mean u change the rules to suit yourself

NScash do quite well offering 60% revshare and clean links.. a grouo im happy to be associated with.. we dont go turning revshare into the PPS model

And i totally disagree that it doesnt effect sales and rebills..

I think I like where this thread is going...

No fer play in adult biz anymore...

And i have yet to see any affialte come in and agree with you and andrej_NDC that it does not effect the affialte. Ofcourse a sponsor is gonna say it dosen't matter thier the ones benefiting.

how is it being a greedy ass affialte by asking to get a true revshare? For PPS i fully understand the xsales and traffic leaks thats why you are paying 25-35 on a 1.99 trial. thats the only way you can do it. But with rev share if the surfer spends 2 bucks i get my cut of the 2 bucks and nothing more. So why is it fair to me if a surfer signs up for a 1.99 trial and i get 60% and you ahve 2 xsales that gets you 50 more dollars in sales. They cancel and no longer rebill. I only made 1.20 you made 50.80 so how is that fair and how the hell do you call that revshare? Without my traffic you would have made 0. Thats the point.

I thought the same...for a very long time. But there is only one way to find out. Try it out on your own traffic first and you will be surprised. Maybe only 15% the xsale pre-checked, the ones who really want both memberships.

I almost always agree with what you say. I pretty much get the jist of your opinion on this as well. Revshare percentages have jumped over the years due to program competition. 30% would be decent revshare amount (with no crosses or credit to the affiliate on crosses).

The problem with the crosses on revshare in this day and age is some are pretty ugly. Many surfers are getting hit with 2 crosses at 39.95 monthly on top of the monthly price for the regular site. You can bet when they see these transactions (often including the trial price charges for the crosses) they are going to CB or cancel all of them including the site the affiliate is promoting.

I agree with both you and the OP on this. I am on the fence for the most part depending on how the program is doing the crosses.

www.hdpays.com offers revshare with ZERO xsells or consoles.

You should listen to what the smart guy below said, it may help you understand your question.


Good point and thank goodness!

The thing is, for most of us to receive or send xsales both parties have to qualify for them, like not have cb or refund issues. That's a huge factor Affiliates ignore or simply don't know about.

Most sites before xsales range around .5% cb ratios with slightly higher refund ratios. Really focused sites or sites under about 50 sales a day, can easily slip below that. Bigger sites and programs, that's a nice ratio to be at.

When you add xsales, you only have until about .8% ratio before processors start to get upset with you. If you can't get the average down or it grows, xsales will be the least of your worries.

Add to that, the programs listed aren't really the first to get complaints about retention and most spend a great deal a money on content, to make sure that retention is good.


So to end this... if xsales sucked that bad, if they really hurt retention or caused extra cb/refund issues, complaints and so on. They wouldn't be on those Websites, straight up.

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A quick final note... Prechecked xsales - depending on the website and xsale of course, at an extreme match 20% of the people will take the xsale. That means 80% uncheck it.

They read it, for sure... if one is paid and one is free, the paid one gets unchecked far more. If both are un-checked, atleast 10% will take both xsales - but if one is free and one is paid, it can reach 20%.

As long as the xsale is honest and clear... the surfer "knows" what they are buying so much so, that our CB/refund ratios don't reflect the 'evil' that affiliates assume.

I've played the game from both angles - as an affiliate (3 years+) and now as a Paysite Owner (3 years+). I can 'feel it' from both ends (heh).

As an affiliate NOTHING pissed me off more than when a Sponser changed the rules without telling me. There I was, the humble hard-working affiliate, keeping his head down and playing a game he didn't realize had changed on him! WTF? "I have to now wait HOW LONG to get paid instead of _____? The percentage is now WHAT instead of ____?"

Most of the time I had to discover these changes myself, by accidently stumbling over some obscure stat or being really keen on noticing every little shift. What a horrible way to do business!

Now, as a Program Owner, with that affiliate experience behind me, I do things a bit differant (maybe not?): When we launch our new AP in the Fall we'll offer BOTH 'leak-free' tours and our 'standard' tours, giving the affiliate the choice betwee lean/mean tours and 'meatier' tours, with some partner links and such.

To me, it all depends on how well an affiliate sells my shit AND how 'involved' that affiliate is, how well (if ever) they communicate. The ones who just throw up some affiliate links and walk away can't really complain, in my opinion. If this is your bread-and-butter and you're busting your ass, then you get a break. Welcome to the real world.

You see, from our perspective Dear Affiliates, there a fucking GAZILLION of you 'out there' in the vast web universe. Some (many) just throw up a million blogs, sites etc and utilize the 'spaghetti principle' - throw a MILLION sites out there and, numerically, you're BOUND to get some sales. Others (many) work their ASSES off and stay on top of everything, whether they be full-orpart-time adult webmasters. So how can WE, the Sponsers, know who's who exvept by checking stats and communicating with you?

Many affiliates 'get it', many don't - some are very experienced, others are newbies. So you have to do your best to accomodate all types of affiliates, or limit yourself to a certain 'type' of affiliate and let the others go somewhere else. A tough call. But doing it well means success, right?

So having said all that, any Sponser who delays payment, jiggles the books, changes payouts, percentages, etc etc are either short-sighted greedy fucks, overwhelmed by circumstance and therefore barely hanging on, or just fill in the blank. Not good, in other words. Maybe they're at fault, maybe they're just in over their heads in this tough economy and the pain trickels down, who knows?

Bottom line affiliates: If you think you're getting screwed COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR SPONSER. Not getting what you want? Walk.
Bottom line Sponsers: Treat your affiliates with basic human respect, from one hard-working muthafucka to another, or expect affiliates to walk.

Peace.

I personal dont think he knows what the fuck hes talking about :) But hey we all got a opinion i guess. Guess some sponsors don't care if they fuck the affilate in the end is what your saying. Thats not a very valid excuse in my book :(