double that

most of you are idiots

revshare means the revenue that the SITE OWNER decides to share with you, not the revenue you WANT to be sharing

so, if the site owner decides he wants to share 60/40 of the site sign up, then that is what you get, not revenue from everything....next you all will want revenue sharing on all upsells in the members area right?

just because some programs decide not to do certain things doesn't mean they are following the "rules" when others aren't, it is up to each program to decide what the rules are, and up to you to decide if you want to play by each individual programs rules.

unless there is some set of internet porn marketing program bylaws recorded somewhere that I am missing

Once again, you have crystalized my thoughts.

yes its called sponsor etiquette 101. I want as little bullshit on the signup form as possible. The straighter it is to "pay here click next" the better chance I have at convering it. Thats why i always did rev vs pps becuase most pps signup forms have cross sales and everything else all over them and if you don't think all that crap does not scare off a surfer then i would be inclined to call you a idiot :/

If you have to keep your business afloat by using xsales on rev forms then maybe you need to rethink your business plan. If your members area is worth 10 cents (and most are not) then you would not even have to have a cross sale to start with anyways.

No, it's called I run my own business and can run it how I see fit. Etiquette wise, as a majority "we don't screw surfers over and you get paid" that's the only etiquette we need.


I love your answer though.. Let's look at the programs posted. Some of them spend 20k-30k a month in fresh content each month. Let alone what they produce for you to promote them with.

And you get, more than 50/50? Wow, some greed going on I think, they should be paying 100%!!!


Yeah, if I was them I would rethink my business plan because an affiliate said so. Hell, only the biggest programs in the Industry, making people mad money for years, producing fresh sites and niches all the time... busting down millions up to, 20, 50 and 100's of millions a a year.


Clearly your logic is spot on... I see them listening, right when... well, maybe after... you buy them?

absolutely run your business how you see fit, thats why its yours ;) I have done this for 10 years and have seen lots of change in this indusrty and it simply comes down to what you make me as the affialte every month that is the bottom line. If you have a xsale on my rev links yet i still convert you at 1:1k on tgp traffic you can damn well bet I am still gonna push you reguardless. But on the other hand your ratios get high say 1:2k then I am gonna look around at what you are offering the surfer and why I persoanlly feel you are not converting my traffic. If I go to the join form and see tons of other stuff besides add your info and pay and next then I am gonna lean towards that being the issue and will drop you and move on to the next one. Will you care if i dont promote you, proabably not. Will i loose any sleep over not promoting you proabably not. Like your business is your business my business is my business and we will both run them how we see fit. At the end of the day the only thing that matters for either of us is the food we put on the table and the check we take to the bank :)

Once again, you have crystalized my thoughts.

<Places NDC on personal blacklist>

Nice to have a way to see which sponsors don't really give a fuck about affiliates and don't respect them. Makes it easier to send traffic to the other dozen sponsors within that niche instead.

I wish you all would just start ONE thread though and sign off your names. It'd be a lot easier for us to keep track. :upsidedow

I get a kick out of these sponsors who openly disrespect affiliates. It isn't as if we have 10,000 other sponsors we can send traffic to.

In my experience when a sponsor starts talking about how "Affiliates don't deserve 50%" then that usually means as an affiliate I'm going to get fucked. Usually they'll find an excuse or way..... :2 cents:

TheDoc, which programs do you run or are you involved with?

Thanks in advance.

cross sales are bad mmmkay :pimp

Fiddy pissed off affiliates.

You are the reason why Affiliate Programs don't post on forums like they once did. You make our industry pathetic and boring.

... and you have nothing to worry about, I haven't invited you into one of my programs, allowing you the privilege to make money with me... :thumbsup

Why would they be scared to post? What do we matter anyway. According to you, you don't need affiliates. Affiliates aren't worth the traditional 50% that has been standard for a decade. Affiliates should just take whatever you decide to give them and shut up.

No big loss. I'm sure I'll be able to choose from one of the other dozen of others that do the niches you do and are willing to give me an HONEST 50% cut and respect me. Good luck with your secret invite only program. :winkwink:

We're just lowly affiliates and you don't need us, right? So what programs are you connected with? If we blacklist you what does it matter.....we're not worth 50% you can do it all yourself, no? :upsidedow

Correct, my program doesn't need you... but other programs do and you're the reason so many of them don't post anymore.

Why? It's very simple. If they speak up about anything 'you' don't agree with, you run off and threaten to pull links while the other program 'thinking' the same thing, gets to benefit from it.

What traditional 50%? Don't all the programs listed pay at least 60% if not higher?

And programs don't have to pay 50%... as long as I tell you up front what it is, it makes no damn difference what I pay you, as long as you agree to it.




Oh, I very much don't need affiliates, I don't use affiliates, I don't promote to you and I don't allow you in because you're an affiliate.


I work with roughly 500+ programs, and growing... I make programs more money and have worked with many of the major processors and lots of others... including your primary source of income.

Sucks to be you..

P.S. All programs think they over pay affiliates, all wish they could pay less. Competition is what stops them.

IOW, the realization that if they piss off affiliates too much they are going to be the ones who end up screwed.

If all affiliate programs dropped payouts, like they have done before... nothing would change, like before.

Not all porn programs / products pay 50% buddy... sorry to burst your bubble. And once you step out of our Industry, the majority don't.

There will be someone paying out 50% for each niche probably for at least the next 5 years no matter what happens. If the pay gets too low those who can drive traffic might decide to open their own programs which would just mean even more competition for the sponsors.

your clearly a fucking hero.. must be awesome to be you!

as per previous post.. ure a jackass

I think you lost your head a few posts back and forgot what you were pissed about.

Of course some program will always pay more, that's why I said 'Competition is what stops them', some will pay higher pps/%'s, others will blow the charts off... while others don't.

I have stated, more than once in this thread "Programs aren't created equal..."

That is a very simple thing to understand..

Oh yeah, the guy that thinks Revshare means share all revenue with the affiliate but it doesn't mean share all costs.


Those programs listed...don't more than a few have revshare xsale links and pay a higher % because of it? I saw the twistys one.. but I mean a higher %..if not, don't you have a list of like 100 other programs, to use?

I think I already made my thoughts known. Have a good night.

Twistys werent on the list.. simply because they are upfront and have the option,.. clearly ure too fucking stupid to even have read the thread properly.. and no one else on that list offers that in their webmaster area.. again.. u show little knowledge in an area u profess to know so much about

don't mind Nurgle, he is just upset his revenues are down because he refuses to evolve in this industry

how are those sub-par paysites with non-exclusive content going there Nurgle?

going well thanks.. clearly u dont pay full attention.. some are exclusive :)

Talking about someone that can't read....

I didn't ask if they had links like twistys, I said "don't more than a few have revshare xsale links and pay a higher % because of it?"

That's "have" xsale revshare links - that also pay you a higher %? And some clearly do pay 60%+


At this point your posts are nothing short of comical. Hell, most of the programs you listed aren't backed by the best reps in the first place. You promote at least two companies that openly steal from our Industry. Good job!

Then to top it off, most pay higher than 50%, most say "% of the membership and rebill" and not all transactions/sales produced with your traffic. Learn to read the terms.


Why not just go promote one of the 1000's of programs that pay whatever, and have no xsales of any kind? I'm sure we could find you about 50 sponsors here on GFY alone.


Topbucks pays 75% on revshare with no xsale links..


Based off this post, once you flip your links to non-xsales, your traffic should respond, sales will double and you will be right back to how it used to be.

Few years ago I would take it as a bad thing. Now I know the affiliates who are the loudest send the least traffic/sales, or even none, but they request more than 100 good affiliates together. Its the ones who don't bitch and don't concentrate on stupid things who make 90% of the sales. Every affiliate at NDC was always threated with respect, the people who are in know what I'm talking about. I was always willing to make custom deals with them, make them custom tours, even pricing options. BUT I never forced anyone to be a part of it, neither will I now.

says you are powered by tyistys and pay up to 70% rev (thats what they pay with the precheck) so i dont get your point. Being you are paying 70% what is your arguement again?


As for thedoc the way to look at it is if someone sends you traffic and you make 40 30 20% or whatever thats still more then you would make without them. So i dont understand all the affialte bashing hate going on. No paysite can live on affialtes alone and they sould be looked at as bonus cash in your pocket for doing little to no work.

I am under your ccbill program and have been for a few years. You convert at about 1:3,000 raw for me. My ccbill global average is around 1:1,400. I used to give you the benefit of the doubt but now I will just change the links over to someone else and give them a try. You won't be missing a lot of sales (or at least the sales I actually get credit for) just from me, true. But if enough people pull links it will start to hurt you eventually. Besides....the next guy I send the traffic to might convert at 1:900. TheDoc doesn't get this......that affiliates do have choices and that a little bit of respect goes a long way. Sponsors and affiliates are actually partners...it shouldn't be an adversarial relationship.

In retrospect your comments here aren't all that bad but your attitude and defending the TheDoc makes me question your integrity and business ethics. And your response to me tells me that you don't want my traffic. Good day.

If pissed off affiliates hurt our business the biggest players would have been out of business years ago.

1 down, 100,000 to go.....

Seriously, why don't the people who argue and bicker back-and-forth all damn fucking day just GET A (chat) ROOM and stop fighting like little kids. Anyone who wants to make money, let's talk. All this bickering and in-fighting only wastes time and poisons the mind.

But hey, maybe these people have nothing better to do with their working days then sit on boards and fight with anonymous webmasters who, also, have nothing better to do.

So: Let's talk baseball! Why not? Just as useful.

Some of them have been taken down. Oh well. No skin off my back. Within his niche I will probably find a dozen others to send traffic to. And like I said maybe they will convert at 1:900 instead of 1:3,000 and I will make more. Not a big deal for me.

Really? could you name one that affiliates took a program down?

Like the other guy said the bickering is getting a bit old. I've more than made my point:

That affiliates also have plenty of choices as to where they send traffic.

But whatever happened to PIBcash anyway?

Yeah, cause "affiliates" took PIBcash down... and not shaving.

Take care, Doc. :1orglaugh
*plonk*

You really compare shaving to a program owner beeing honest? Are you out of your mind?

No. You are being snide and bickering on purpose because you are upset over what I said to you (which is also why I am glad I pulled all your links). He asked for an example of affiliates bringing down a sponsor. I brought up PIBcash. They were shaving affiliates and were brought down for it. Yes it was over shaving but they were still brought down over what they did to affiliates.

I didn't bring it up as a direct comparison to this. I brought it up in response to "TheDoc".

Affiliates CAN take down programs to varying degrees. Word of mouth can be damaging. That's why I just pulled all your links. :)

You're a douche that's why you pulled the links... It's really that simple.


I remember the affiliates gathering up, a big group, you guys emailed and called each other, got the other 80% affiliates not on the forums together, made a conference about it, had a trade show..

It was a huge event, then all at once you pulled the traffic and bam! Pibcash was done.

But you forgot to tell a few people, 1, 2, 3+ years later while they where still online, people posted asking why they haven't been paid.