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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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if thats true, then i apologize. seems to me like everyone is a broken record on this issue and parroting the same rhetoric.
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It's ok.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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i've went into detail on this many times.
you just made my point again by saying "if you don't support Ron Paul, then you support....."
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Which is true. Is there any other candidate that has as a central issue to reduce the size of government, let alone a record in public office consistent with the position? Now, you may also want smaller government too. But if you vote for ANY of the other candidates, by proxy, you support larger government. It's no big deal. Many people believe government is too small.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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This is where you totally derail off the reality track in my opinion and this sentiment which you expressed is one of those common talking points of his supporters. Not supporting him means i'm automatically "wrong". That's total lunacy... but you don't see it that way at all. In fact, you are not even open to debating issues or considering any other view points. Thats a problem. Thats a problem Ron Paul supporters have. There is no discussion. its like talking to someone insisting the government blew up the WTC.
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I don't think it is lunacy at all, and I never said you were "wrong". I want to debate some issues with you or anyone else, but it seems our discussions never get to that level. You get defensive and the rhetoric flows, along with the insults.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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You are careful to say that you respect others choices, but as your statement above shows, you clearly don't. You have made it clear that there is only one real choice and anyone who choses different is choosing wrong. That again, the typical naïveté and close mindedness of the Ron Paul crowd.
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LOL, again, I never said people chosing another candidate are wrong. My statement is that if you don't support Ron Paul you support a larger, more intrusive government. How does that equate to being wrong?
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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Why do i think he's a kook? I don't really. He isn't trying to get the nomination. He has no intention of running for President. he is shaking things up a bit and forcing people to talk about entirely new and different things. I think thats good.
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I disagree. He is running for POTUS and I believe many people are going to be surprised by how well he does. I am in no way saying he will be the next POTUS, but in MY OPINION he is what this country needs. He would stand a greater chance of winning if more people would take the time to read about him instead of listening to the sound bites that obviously try to show him in the worst possible light.
Conspiracy? I don't think it's an organized conspiracy by the Rothschilds or Rockefellers. But I think it is a natural reaction by those in the "establishment" to keep the status quo.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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Had he been seriously trying to get the nomination, I was say he's a total lunatic for how he presents his ideas. Everything Ron Paul stands for is about tearing things apart. About dissembling government. He intentionally makes sensationalistic remarks and statements like that he'll dismantle the IRS on his first day in office. What you refuse to accept is that the people, the House and the Senate also have to be on board with him... not just a few million 20 year olds on random college campuses. Leadership in part is about effectively communicating a vision and getting people on board, not just repeatedly making bizarre remarks about how he is going to totally undo a lot of the federal government (presumably with or without the other branches of government or even popular support).
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This is where you totally lose me. Paul plans to uphold his oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. It is the centerpiece of his campaign to return the office to constitutionality. His goal is to dismantle governmental bureaucracies that are wasteful and unconstitutional. He wants to work within the system (congress and courts) to make the changes needed.
How can he effectively present his message to America when the mainstream media tries to distort his message if they even let him speak? And then the minions of smear (and I count you as one) spout half truths and lies as evidence of him and his supporters insanity.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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it really doesn't matter what i say. I know that. Ron Paul for you guys at this point, is a religion and he is the messiah. while the rest of the country are carefully paying attention to ALL the candidates, weighing their positions, and assessing them, you guys are at a complete loss as to how everyone can deny the messiah has come.
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I have looked at every candidate. And if I had to anoint a President it would be Ron Paul. And compared to the field, this guy is the messiah if you count honesty and principles. Leave the religion to the Huckabee supporters.
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
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You point to conspiracies in the media to keep his message quiet... totally ignoring that its one people heard and they just don't like it. Ron Paul supporters have to call others brainwashed like the typical 9/11 conspiracy theorist because in the minds of most Ron Paul supporters, there simply can't be any other explanation as to why the average American would deny the message of Ron the Messiah... and its bordering on scary at this point.
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...the one people heard. Are you sure he has had the opportunity to be heard? The only place I have heard him is on youtube. I don't count the hatchet job on meet the press. The only consolation is that his supporters are giving him the means to be heard independent of the love from the established media. We will see the effects in a few days/weeks. You may be correct, the general public may not want to hear his message.
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When you have decided that there is no other acceptable opinion or view than your own... or that your own subjective opinions and preferences are in fact, objective facts.... then you are starting down the path of becoming a danger to others. You have adopted the thinking of the Hitlers, the Stalins, the Lenins, and the Mao Tse-tungs of the world. They too knew what was better for the masses. They too knew that the majority was wrong and shouldn't be trusted to define their world. They too knew that people simply needed a handful of people to make the bulk of their decisions for them. They too knew that people simply needed to be reprogrammed and their thinking changed.... because the people were denying such obvious truths as to what is best for them and for the country and for the future.
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Ha ha hahahahahah loloolooloolol . ROFLMMFAO. Fascism is what we have now my friend. You still can't come with anything concrete. I believe it is you who is a fascist because any mention of Ron Paul sends you and your kind into a frenzy.
Look, vote for whomever you feel the best. I don't care. But when you make assertions that are half truths or total falsehoods people who support him are going to make noise. Call them fanatical or whatever, but many of us feel like this is our only opportunity to start to swing the pendulum in the other direction.
Have a Happy New Year and vote for Ron Paul... or not :1orglaugh