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dedicated to all my programmers, etc
this is what I think of you:
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I'll go back and hotlink it after I get 30 posts ;-)
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go away
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Are you developping another posting habit?
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sometimes i just don't know what to think or say
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just for you
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very nice ;-)
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still not at 30 posts? cmon thats ez!
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30 posts in 30 mins is what madawgz mode is
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Hello World
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oh...they will hate me tomorrow :-)
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Let's explain this:
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Program it yourself see how long it takes compared to what you pay
Then see if you'd ever do it again.. Oh wait, you can't.. Anyone who pays programmer's less than $30 an hour deserves what they get |
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but, it takes 2x as long as if I do it, or maybe 5 - 7x as long
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Spiders shouldn't be drinking ;)
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Going overseas will cost you 4 times as much, because they don't have a clue what you want, and the language barrier will take you 50 times longer to get across what the point of what you want.
Custom coded apps should cost 100 times more than a general application if not more.. There's no way to not spend many hours going through this and that and testing and editing and changing and that shit takes time. Then on top of it you have platform and configuration issues. Which is why no real programmer would work steady for small jobs. The smallest of jobs will take a week of time no matter if it takes 5 hours to code. If your not spending at least $2k per project, you will get burned most of the time or get crap |
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me can codde your fakkke tdp for $1/hour + dial up expensis... deal?
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Programmers are notoriously bad for underestimating their time.
Good rule of thumb if you're only "pretty sure" how long a project will take: Take your most liberal estimate, double it, then add 20%. You'll hit it pretty close to that almost every time. :2 cents: |
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only programmers knows why they take so long to deliver.
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The Coding part aint shit, I coded fake text tgp in few days from no knowledge of desired project. The time comes from many factors you don't even think of when hiring a programmer. Proper Development Design before coding even starts, to many factors that come up that are not thought of when a development begins, to implementation, testing, consulting with client. etc. Go ahead, hire a india coder, with the request of "I want a clone of XX" and offer your $99 and see how fast your server gets hacked when he codes shit so quick and fast that mysql injections, and cross scripting, etc etc happens and its so hard coded you can't edit it and your project is dead before it began. If it's so fucking easy? Do it yourself. But your a skillless troll so fuck off |
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Hogwash, this comes from improper communication from client. Developer makes draft script and all of a sudden client wants, x,y,z added, a,b,c modified, and this done this way and that done that way. Take some time, sit down and outline everything you need in your program from every single click made. Or expect delays. Let's take a POTD script for example. .... Client contacts programmer....I need a Thumbnail script made that updates new pics everyday, and I can import pics into a admin control panel... Every programmer is like sure thats easy....Won't take long at all and ideally it don't But its not going to end up to be very effective, you have to understand, there are hundreds of mechanics behind this, and other things that pop up, and if you have not explained your needs the programmer might have to go back and rewrite a database, or rewrite functions over and over because you need something added that was not explained. For instance let's say the client did not want the POTD to be run dynamically from a database, which is how the progammer concepted it... The client wanted the end page to display staticly... This omitted choice could be disasterious to programmer and his time because how it was originally developed. You need to sit down and explain what you need in the control panel, to operation, to how exactly it operates. from deleting pics, to how its displayed to.. If you can't sit down and do this then the developer will help from experience but this is time and he should be paid for his time. And expect weeks added to the project. Also programmers are working in a technical field and problems come up, shit, you computer operators have daily problems just trying to turn on your computers, imagine the bs we go thru working on 50,000 different systems with different settings, and compiler bugs, and module bugs, that can take days to debug that are not the programmers fault, Should we not get paid for this frustration? Should we lose weeks of pay because of someone elses fault? Should this not be expected to be paid by client? The client is the one requesting the custom program and programming, time, debugging is all the same. Deal with it or get out of business. Anyone who codes for peanuts will scam you.. And you know this, you are gambling, expect what you deserve |
Lol,
you live in a dreamworld! Project Specifications? Man, I never seen any half decent specification in ages from one of my clients. They just tell me: I want a site like that one, and this is all. And when I make an estimation to a client - I take what my programmer says and I multiply with 2 and sometime we still get past the deadline, lol! Egomancer |
ahhh...programming...it's a hard job!
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