Anyone here going to take O'Reilly's challenge?
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181845,00.html

A lot of political opinions on here; any of you man enough for his challenge?

I know the chances of getting chosen are slim to none but I did send in an entry anyway. :upsidedow

well..you arent allowed to swear or imply violence to the people you are debating...so most of the "debaters" here are out of luck. As once the logic hits them in the face, they resort to violence as they really have no valid arguments....just an observation

Definitely true about some folks on here. :)

I'm a Master Debater.

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Dame Dash and Camron both pretty much shut O'Reilly up in one of them mini debates.

Bill was on Letterman I do believe last week or the week before and I have seen him debate before many times, but to be honest I have better things to do...

Here is the video:

Letterman 1 - O'Reilly 0

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Only people who agree with him watch his show, so why bother? lmao

here is Bill O'reilly getting owned by Dame Dash & Camron

http://www.islanddefjam.com/www2/av/...um=28763649873

dam, bill is pretty dam good, someone should take it up and debate a porn issue :)

Don't really see how he got owned but ok...

because you're a Bill O'Reilly fan

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that was fucking hilarious, i hate these tight whitey type people, i cannot believe we still live in a world where people blame everything and everyone else but themselves.

I do like his show, but I disagree with him on almost everything.

Only thing I really agree with him on is legalizing marijuana.

I also know he doesn't like gangsta rap and it may look like those 2 rappers explained their points, but I don't think he got owned. If he really wanted to own those two he could've just played some of the songs or read the lyric sheets.

They pointed out Luda in that... they try to make him look good or something, but look at these lyrics.

"We heard there's hoes out, so we brought the cars out
Grab the pills cuz we poppin tonight,
Beat the shit outta security for stoppin' tha fight
I got a fifth of the remy, fuck the Belve and 'cris
I'm sellin' shit up in the club like I work in the bitch"

Degrading women, promoting pill use, promoting cop killing, promoting drinking, promoting drug dealing. This is all 1 song, there are hundreds more songs the same and a lot worse than this. O'RLY could've really owned up those two in my opinion. :2 cents:

that comment is full of shit, they are singing about what they do, what rocker in the past hasnt sung about heroin or concaine use and addiction?

just because they are successful black men singing people rag on them.

its freedom of speech, and as soon as you start to cross the line saying when certain things are and arent ok to say then you're along with the rest of them. and as a pornagrapher you should never EVER cross that line.

parents should be their kids role models NOT RAPPERS, no one asks to be a role model, it is up to the parents to showcase real and good role models to their kids, not the music industry.

the problem with todays world is everyone whines about everything, i cannot believe the amount of bullshit that goes on in todays world, everyone has turned into complete babies.

stop wasting time worrying about what someone is listening to for music or what they are doing in their bedroom.

its the parents fault, and parents these days expect the world to raise their kids instead of themselves. :2 cents:

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Agreed.

That is basically what it boils down to when you look at it. Drug addict parents who don't give a shit what goes on in their child's life. The kid gets into rap, starts taking it literal. Kid "pops pills", turns addict like ma and pa, whole new generation of filth.

I don't blame the rappers; they're getting their paychecks. It definitely falls within the hands of the parents. Just sucks for those kids they don't have good parents. :(

I for one would never let my 5-13 year old listen to or read that poetry.

Ok.. that's very funny. :1orglaugh

I'm not a Bill O'Reilly fan, and I don't see how he got owned.

If anyone got owned on that program, it was the principal.

Camron came off as a punk, BUT Damon Dash was very professional and well spoken, and should have given some people reason to think.

It's the parents responsibility, period.

There is no other way to spin doctor it. Parents are supposed to the be role model, the guidence, and education factor for their own fucking kids. Not society. Not rappers. Not actors. Not O'Reilly.

This society and their 'magic bullet theory' of why kids do what they do is little more than playing the blame game. Ofcourse it can't be me, so it must be something else they are exposed to while I am not supervising them. The cable TV they watch in their own room, while I am off doing whatever. The music they listen to I bought for them. The video games they play or rent I provided the money for, and did not bother to pay attention to the parental ratings on the box. The porn they see on the internet because I am too stupid, or apathetic to buy software to block porn sites.

It's everyone else's fault but the parents who are too fucking lazy to BE A PARENT. But ofcourse you can't get ratings if you actually tell them the source of the problem is themselves. The minions might turn the channel.

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Already sent mine in :thumbsup

O'Reilly said he was the moderator (aka "neutral") but was definitely against them.. they held their own against him and definitely shut him up at times. in this case it's a society trying to cast blame specifically at rappers (entertainers), not movies, tv shows, etc.. Parents/Guardians are to blame.

"Camron came off as a punk"?

i find that truly hilarious, are you going to give someone respect who is basically blaming you for childrens problems?

or sitting on a show that is supposed to be moderated by the host but obviously that was not the case.

im sure when these religious nuts are blaming you for "infecting" the world with porn they also call you a punk.

put yourself in other peoples shoes and dont pretend like you would act any different, this is their livelyhood that these idiots are bashing.

Another things about O'Pine, and the chickenhawks. If you can ever stand sitting through an entire show. He (like chickenhawks) want money for everything. Or I should say, want to decalre war on everything.

More security on the border, war on drugs, war on obesity, war on Iraq, war on terror, war on education, more this, more that. But anytime the subject of raising taxes comes up, he shouts to the high heaven's something to the effect of, "so you're saying I should pay for it?"

The irony of this is that the people with the most wealth are the one's who want all these expensive things (like wars) and then do not want to be the one's taxed to pay for it.

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it is hard to hold your own with a man that will just shut your mic off.

also, what o'reilly does is NOT debating.

Debating implies some sort of sturcture, and the ability for both sides to be able to get their point across uninnterupted.

True. If Letterman used the O'Pine tactics of interviewing, he could have cut him off mid-sentence through the whole 'discussion' and made him look a bigger fool.

Another classic is the O'Reilly spin tactic of focusing on one part of a topic, and bending it to his agenda. For example the 60 day jail sentence thing. There was a WHOLE PART that went with the sentence. Not just 60 days. But when some guest he had one pointed out the fact, O'Pine interupted him, and said he was not bending it because in fact it was only 60 days.

Yeah, if I focused on one sentence in anyone's paragraph, on any subject, I could basically bend it to my agenda as well. Fair and balanced my ass.

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I see your view, but I don't think you see the other view. These kids don't have really good parents. While it is the parents fault at the root, the whole rap thing doesn't help. I agree 100% with you that rap shouldn't be banned or censored, but I disagree with you on the opinion that it isn't bad for kids.

If you think talking about raping women, degrading women, doing drugs, dealing drugs, shooting cops, shooting foes, shooting dope, stealing money, stealing cars, ect.. is good for children; then I think you have a lot of thinking to do. The music isn't fantasy for a lot of them, it is literal.

The parents thing though is definitely true, but the parents that are being discussed don't exist in a way. These are kids that shouldn't have been born, accidents, the condom broke or something. It is sad for them, but that is their lives.

I feel that nothing at all should be censored, but I also feel that rap music is bad for the culture. Some doublethink on my part I suppose. I know I see the world completely different than you though, I have a very unique view on almost everything.

I agree that O'Reilly wasn't impartial, but they couldn't honestly expect any different could they?

I don't doubt that I'd be defensive being in that situation, but I like to think that I could debate intelligently, along the lines of Damon Dash. If he was a spokesperson for their industry and that interview was any indication, people (okay, RATIONAL people) might see things differently and TRY to fathom their point of view.

If Camron were the industry spokesperson and again, that interview was any indication, he's just giving the opposition more ammunition. People have stereotyped the rap industry, and he exemplified a lot of the negative stereotypes.

That's why I stick to what I say. Damon Dash came off as someone who's intelligent and could provoke some thinking and intelligent debate. Camron came off as someone parents wouldn't want their kids to emulate, just as they'd suspect the entire rap industry is like...which after listening to Damon Dash, clearly isn't the case.

i would also consider my view on the world very unique, its not the rappers fault that the parents are not there.

i think that rappers are just targetted because they are normally past poor black people who managed to become successful, people are jealous of them so they try to label them in certain ways.

music is just like movies all for the masses, its no ones fault when a parent in not their for their child, its not the rappers job to step up in those situations, it is places like social services that are supposed to step in, not entertainers.

rap is just targetted because it is mainly young rich black men.

i personally think pop is 10x worse then rap in that it influences 13 yo girls to think in a certain way, do your hair properly, do your makeup, look good for the boys, alot of girls are messed up as adults from reading to many magazines and listening to terrible music.

same goes for rock music, all rock does is sing about getting high, doing cocaine and heroine addiction. again they just target rappers because they are young rich black men.

its easy to target culture that you do not know, but look at your own first before you start making recomendations whether or not someone elses is right/wrong.

Well, lets start off with young rich black men. The fact is, young black men aren't supposed to be rich. I think the general public can and should agree with that statement. JK :upsidedow

I see what you mean. The thing is though, rap promotes violence. While rock music may talk about drug use in a very vague way; rap promotes it and puts it in good light. Rock music is usually about past drug use and how it hurt the person. Rap is opposite, rap is now, rap promotes violence/drugs.

I seriously can't think of any rock songs that promote raping women, degrading women, explicit drug use, or very violent lyrics in a broad sense. I am a pretty big music buff, and I can't recall any that are even 1/20th as bad as the run of the mill gangsta rap song.

Again, I am the most uncensorship person on this board probably, but I still think that rap hurts culture.

rap never talks about raping women for as long as ive listened to it, rap sings about sluts and gold diggers, which some women are.

the only women that get offended by it are the ones that they sing about, easy lays, go to the club, hit on rich men types.

violence is on the news, and they report it.

rappers "see" the violence and they report on it.

what is the difference? i fail to see it, again it boils down to them being majority rich black men, and society for some reason automatically puts a negative stereotype on that.

The difference is the news doesn't put a positive spin on violence, it usually reports it in a serious tone. On the other hand, rap promotes killing police officers, killing people, drug use, and other negative things. It doesn't have much to do with being rich at all, it is just the way that the black rappers make a culture out of drug use and cop killing. It isn't right, period.

The rich black men thing is kind of funny in a way though I must admit. When you think of a rich white guy you imagine caviar, suits, ties, tea, and brandy. When you think of a rich black guy you think of rap, drugs, and assault weapons. (Very broad and stereotypical paragraph meant for humor, but slightly true.)

i totally understand where you are coming from, but remember where they come from, great music is music that is related to the real world, and like it or not the things they rap about do exist.

the news no longer reports thing in a serious tone, i find the news very one sided these days because of a group of rich businessmen who obviously control the media.

music is a place that should not be moderated, it is the last place where people can truly report on what is going on around them.

:1orglaugh wtf?

I certainly won't argue that there's a stereotype against blacks and rappers, but I don't agree that the news media has the same effect as rappers do.

The day kids go to school dressed in a suit and tie ala Bill O'Reilly, instead of dressed liked rappers, listening to the news instead of rap music, because that's what cool, then I'll agree they have a similiar influence.

That's also not meant to take away from the issue of parental responsibility, because ultimately I believe that's where it does lie.

Make no mistake either, I can't STAND most of the mainstream media and they way they manipulate the public and/or misportray a lot of society, but music and movies have much more influence over todays youth than the news industry could ever hope to have.

One of my favourite quotes, "The media is no longer in the business of reporting the news, they're in the business of creating the news."-Jesse Ventura

That's because the news industry has to fill 24 hours of programming and ad spots in todays society.

fairly balanced. to the right. :winkwink:

i totally agree with alot of what you say also, i shake my head at the way how easily people are influenced by media.

the worst is young teenage girls, they are so far gone that i do not ever see them understanding a dose of reality. they are just some number in a sales bracket for some magazine or clothing line.

Agreed.

Except when they were both guffawing at the principal.

That was Dash's low moment...

Oh dear god -- let's all welcome the social services state.

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