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Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 09:41 AM

Its not hard to see the beheading video is spliced.
 
With all the questions over this video, youd think theyd simply mention the time stamp.

Of course its edited and spliced, while watching it just now he is sitting on the floor in front of terrorists near timecode 2:44, when the terrorist begins chopping his head off its at nearly 4 minutes and 30 seconds into the video the time stamp jumps to 13:45 just as one of the terrorists pounces on Nick berg.

pretty shitty editing.

obviously theres more going on here.

"However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video ? at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net had looked at the site within ninety minutes of the story breaking ? and could find no such video footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...79E91F2784.htm

Why is he wearing a orange US prisoner jump suit?

FuqALot 05-13-2004 09:44 AM

So are you saying that it's fake. Or are you saying that the US faked the video. Anyway, where's the dude.

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuqALot
So are you saying that it's fake.
I am not saying anything other than the subject, its easy to tell it was spliced.

Other than that all I raise is questions, I have no answers.

People are debatibng if he was killed, THEN beheaded, and other theories... just saying its very easy to see the lapse in time, and the definitive splice of events.

youre losing 10 minutes of footage.

FuqALot 05-13-2004 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I am not saying anything other than the subject, its easy to tell it was spliced.

Other than that all I raise is questions, I have no answers.

People are debatibng if he was killed, THEN beheaded, and other theories... just saying its very easy to see the lapse in time, and the definitive splice of events.

youre losing 10 minutes of footage.

I hope he was killed before the beheading.
Or maybe the first guy who downloaded it removed a few minutes or the server wouldnt accept the filesize.

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuqALot
I hope he was killed before the beheading.
Or maybe the first guy who downloaded it removed a few minutes or the server wouldnt accept the filesize.

No, my point is, the guys jump on him and the time code is stamped at 2:44, when the guy pulls out his knife to cut off his head, its not even at 3 mins.

The camera shakes, and jumps to a new scene, more than 10 mins later, and the time reads 13:45.

the video makes you think its all in one motion when in fact its not. The guy pulls out his knife, grabs Nick by the hair and other terrorists proceed to hold him down, right then the camera switches to action shot and thats when they start sawing off his head, but the time places them more than 10 minutes prior to the event.

Ramster 05-13-2004 09:51 AM

Looks like it but either way, it's still some fucked up shit. :feels-hot

cspdinc 05-13-2004 09:52 AM

I stated this fact 2 days ago. Fletch is correct

Jakke PNG 05-13-2004 09:53 AM

Aljazeera are liars and propaganda spreaders. There's no truth there. Watch cnn they tell you the facts. http://www.porngreen.com/shit/homer.jpg
All media is fucked. There's not one source you can trust.

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cspdinc
I stated this fact 2 days ago.
Nice, i havenet been following many of the beheading threads heh ;)

RP Fade 05-13-2004 09:54 AM

Interesting...

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

All media is fucked. There's not one source you can trust.

thats the thing, this has nothing to do with media.

Im looking at the video trying to analze it myself.

its clearly edited, and spliced, and there no way Nick Berg was killed instantly like that.

there MUST be 10 minutes of torture between him getting his head cut off.

the time code says the video exists, so it does.

Jakke PNG 05-13-2004 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
thats the thing, this has nothing to do with media.

Im looking at the video trying to analze it myself.

its clearly edited, and spliced, and there no way Nick Berg was killed instantly like that.

there MUST be 10 minutes of torture between him getting his head cut off.

the time code says the video exists, so it does.

I know what you ment :)
I just actually commented on the link you posted.. not your post itself. My bad sorry, should have quoted the link.
I just wanted to point out the obvious.

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
My bad sorry
No worries ;)

Ive analyzed your video too!

:thumbsup

Donny 05-13-2004 09:57 AM

Or maybe he put up a fight like you wouldn't believe... and they finally exhausted him enough to hold him down.

I'll bet money he was beheaded as shown on the video. Who wants to bet?

Jakke PNG 05-13-2004 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
No worries ;)

Ive analyzed your video too!

:thumbsup

Luckily it was a bit less graphic in nature.:1orglaugh

FuqALot 05-13-2004 09:59 AM

Okay. So what if he wasnt alive when they beheaded him. Why would they kill him first. A guy that can cut off his head like that can also do it when he's alive, since that's just a matter of a few seconds, probably.

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips


I'll bet money he was beheaded as shown on the video. Who wants to bet?

No one is saying he wasnt beheaded ;)

thats pretty obvious, this is about missing time and lapse of events.

and its hard to fight when your hands and legs are tied together

period

SomeCreep 05-13-2004 10:01 AM

I only saw that video twice, but this is what I observed.

The guy that starts cutting off Berg's head is not the same guy that finishes cutting off Berg's head and holding it up to the camera. So for some reason they passed the knife and cut his head off slow. You can see the guy is not hacking off his head like you would with an axe. He takes his time slicing all around his neck. Cutting a head like that will take a good 5 minutes to come completely off, possibly longer if they paused for some reason during the process.

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuqALot
Okay. So what if he wasnt alive when they beheaded him. Why would they kill him first. A guy that can cut off his head like that can also do it when he's alive, since that's just a matter of a few seconds, probably.
My question is only, where is the other footage and what does it contain.

pretty straight forward thread.

:winkwink:

FuqALot 05-13-2004 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
My question is only, where is the other footage and what does it contain.

pretty straight forward thread.

:winkwink:

Probably killing him or more allah allah bullshit.

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FuqALot
Probably killing him or more allah allah bullshit.
"Probably" doesnt exist in court.

Maybe it has jihadist high fiving?

:winkwink:

cherrylula 05-13-2004 10:05 AM

Maybe they cut out the high five and some ass slapping.

FuqALot 05-13-2004 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
"Probably" doesnt exist in court.

Maybe it has jihadist high fiving?

:winkwink:

Maybe they were dancing to some funky music, but afterwards they found it kinda lame and deleted that scene.

FuqALot 05-13-2004 10:11 AM

But what happened is not really something to joke about. Isn't there some warezgroup already that released the UnCut version. Or are we soon having to pay $50 for a medialicense to view it.

Major (Tom) 05-13-2004 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
With all the questions over this video, youd think theyd simply mention the time stamp.

Of course its edited and spliced, while watching it just now he is sitting on the floor in front of terrorists near timecode 2:44, when the terrorist begins chopping his head off its at nearly 4 minutes and 30 seconds into the video the time stamp jumps to 13:45 just as one of the terrorists pounces on Nick berg.

pretty shitty editing.

obviously theres more going on here.

"However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video ? at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net had looked at the site within ninety minutes of the story breaking ? and could find no such video footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...79E91F2784.htm

Why is he wearing a orange US prisoner jump suit?

i was saying to my buddy yesterday that it looked fake. it skips almost 100 frames during the actual removal. it definatley looks like some form of smoke and mirrors. I dont doubt that the event didnt take place, but it's just fishy.
ds

lurking 05-13-2004 10:13 AM

does anyone have a full transcript of what is being said?

JaveWolf 05-13-2004 10:14 AM

Hmzzzz, I've watched the video again. It's strange yeah.

As you mentioned at 2:44:40 the guy pulls out a knife.
and throws Berg to his left.

Then A huge time jump!.

Now 2:44:40 could be actually at 2 AM.
Now when it really starts to ..... then we see a time jump. from 2:44:40 to 13:45:48.

we're speaking of 11 Hours right now.

Jave Wolf

SomeCreep 05-13-2004 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
i was saying to my buddy yesterday that it looked fake. it skips almost 100 frames during the actual removal. it definatley looks like some form of smoke and mirrors. I dont doubt that the event didnt take place, but it's just fishy.
ds

There is nothing fake about it. Berg's decapitated body was dumped and found along U.S border patrol lines.

Major (Tom) 05-13-2004 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep
I only saw that video twice, but this is what I observed.

The guy that starts cutting off Berg's head is not the same guy that finishes cutting off Berg's head and holding it up to the camera. So for some reason they passed the knife and cut his head off slow. You can see the guy is not hacking off his head like you would with an axe. He takes his time slicing all around his neck. Cutting a head like that will take a good 5 minutes to come completely off, possibly longer if they paused for some reason during the process.

exactly. it wasnt like they used a rambo knife either. i butter my bread with bigger knives. It would take that long to slice off a wrist let alone a head.
ds

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaveWolf
Hmzzzz, I've watched the video again. It's strange yeah.

As you mentioned at 2:44:40 the guy pulls out a knife.
and throws Berg to his left.

Then A huge time jump!.

Now 2:44:40 could be actually at 2 AM.
Now when it really starts to ..... then we see a time jump. from 2:44:40 to 13:45:48.

we're speaking of 11 Hours right now.

Jave Wolf

Ah I thought it was minutes, shit that adds a whole new flavor.

lurking 05-13-2004 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaveWolf
Hmzzzz, I've watched the video again. It's strange yeah.

As you mentioned at 2:44:40 the guy pulls out a knife.
and throws Berg to his left.

Then A huge time jump!.

Now 2:44:40 could be actually at 2 AM.
Now when it really starts to ..... then we see a time jump. from 2:44:40 to 13:45:48.

we're speaking of 11 Hours right now.

Jave Wolf

you notice the video also starts at 13:26:24 and jumps to 2:18:33 in a matter of seconds. maybe this was compiled from two different cameras?

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 10:22 AM

wouldnt THAT amount of time suggest 2 tapes then?

11+ hours of footage on one tape?

what we running here SuperVHS extended? or standard cam?

simply weird. Ive worked around videographers my whole life, my best friend has filmed in Africa, Alaska, and many places as a videographer, we talk about this type of shit all the time.

this is a very strange thing to have the sequence go down the way it id and have this unfold.

He pulls out the knife literally to put it next to Nicks head, then there is 11 hour lapse?

fogive me for being nosey, but there is something wrong here, something very deep and secretive, anyone should be able to see this.

maybe he is the one who leaked prison photos out? wasnt he connected to Abu Gharaib as well? Communications guy? hmm.

too many questions...

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lurking
you notice the video also starts at 13:26:24 and jumps to 2:18:33 in a matter of seconds. maybe this was compiled from two different cameras?
hehe i just started to hint on this on my post above ;)

very easy assumption, two cameras is a good explanation.

JaveWolf 05-13-2004 10:23 AM

The thing is that I don't have sound in the video I have. But even that, I can merge sound with video in a split second so that nobody is noticing that.

I can remember those Japanese peoples who where sitting and those masked lamers threatned them with a knife.

Maybe that hapenned to Berg as well. If we're missing 11 Hours, anything could have hapenned between that time. Berg tried to escape, he was shot and those killers decided to add that scene to the one that already has been recorded or whatever. I don't know.As I said, anything could have hapenned.

It's just not right.

Jave Wolf

TAMPA_TOKER 05-13-2004 10:23 AM

Damn it now i got to go back and watch this now:(

FuqALot 05-13-2004 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
wouldnt THAT amount of time suggest 2 tapes then?

11+ hours of footage on one tape?

what we running here SuperVHS extended? or standard cam?

simply weird. Ive worked around videographers my whole life, my best friend has filmed in Africa, Alaska, and many places as a videographer, we talk about this type of shit all the time.

this is a very strange thing to have the sequence go down the way it id and have this unfold.

He pulls out the knife literally to put it next to Nicks head, then there is 11 hour lapse?

fogive me for being nosey, but there is something wrong here, something very deep and secretive, anyone should be able to see this.

maybe he is the one who leaked prison photos out? wasnt he connected to Abu Gharaib as well? Communications guy? hmm.

too many questions...

Maybe one camera is at 24hour and the other is at AM/PM.

13hours is close to 2pm.

FlyingIguana 05-13-2004 10:28 AM

they edited out the camel sex

fuckin islam perverts

zzgundamnzz 05-13-2004 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
thats the thing, this has nothing to do with media.

Im looking at the video trying to analze it myself.

its clearly edited, and spliced, and there no way Nick Berg was killed instantly like that.

there MUST be 10 minutes of torture between him getting his head cut off.

the time code says the video exists, so it does.

Could if be that Nick managed to put up a fight and pulled one of the bastards masks off...

Other than that I don't really see any reason why they should edit it... maybe make it less graphic but why would they do that?

Fletch XXX 05-13-2004 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zzgundamnzz
Could if be that Nick managed to put up a fight and pulled one of the bastards masks off...

Nick was tied ina fetal position for the most part.

I doubt he could put up much resistance when boung that way with 5 , most likely many more terrorists in the room.

zzgundamnzz 05-13-2004 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Nick was tied ina fetal position for the most part.

I doubt he could put up much resistance when boung that way with 5 , most likely many more terrorists in the room.

I haven't seen the video. All the severs died within a minute...

Just speculating on what could of happend. Or why they would even edit that much time. Maybe somebody without a mask showed up?

Its really hard to tell when theres a time lapse. Just about anything could of happend.


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