you should watch the vid, kind of hard to talk about something you really have to see it, in instances like that, there was no fight, the guy was tied hands to feet.

watch the vid ;)

does anyone have the vid up?.. I havent been able to view it from any of the links that have been posted a day or so ago. I only got to see the screen caps.

:glugglug

I saw that video last night and it made me fucking sick. Some fool posted it up here and i clicked on it, I almost fucking puked! damn that shit was sickening

I think the anticipation building towards the actual execution is almost as bad as the actual killing.

no secret i have anxiety, but this vid made me reallyl nervous and anxious, the build is as bad as the cutting, the actual killing and holding up of the head is only the final parts of the vid, the minutes of him reading and seein how scared the Nich guy is, to me, instills more fear than the actual death.

By that time, id be inviting death instead of the wait. (if i was in his shoes)

scary stuff nonetheless

the vid quality is terrible, choppy, and seems to be on a frame refresh (almost like a cheap webcam)... not worth seeing

:2 cents:

He didn't look scared to me...In fact I don't even know if the dude expected to get his head cut off like that. They were reading that shit and then they just jumped on him.

Except if you watch the time code on the video it jumps from

When they go for the take down the time code jumps from 2.44:11 to 13:45.47 (11 hours diff "Not" Mins.)

Obviously 2 cameras

Then when he is doing the final "removing" of the head.. The part where he has cut through the head and is about to lift it up to the camera the time code jumps again.. 13:46:37 to 13:47:47 A time loss of one minute

Obviously the same camera and it was filming something. My question is what? It doesn`t take a min to lift a head

Then the time code jumps again when he is presenting the head to the camera.... 13:47:52 to 2:46:17

Two cameras again.

But if I minus the time of 13:45.47 from 13:47.47 I get exactly 2 mins. minus additional time from the difference of 13:46.37 from 13:47.47 and thats a 1 min and 10 seconds. (time lossed during the presenting of the head)

So camera 2 shows 50 seconds of footage.

But camera 1 is still running because it its time code shows that it has been functioning for 2 min and 6 seconds during the execution. (2:44.11 from 2:46.17 = 2.min 6 seconds.)

So if I futher do the math.
2.min 6 secs. - 50 secs = 1min 16 secs of missing footage.

Not saying its a fake.. not saying its real but this disturbs me.

Now unless my math is wrong. Its been edited. A lot and poorly. It almost "feels" too poorly.

Pain in the ass

PS. Does anyone have a link to a news photo of the discovery of the body?

my office mate printed it out, see other thread

true, most likely my own damn anxiety.

anticipation is my only weakenss, that and gravity

;)

50 discrepancies :glugglug

they edited it themselves real quick and shitty so big deal. we all know it takes longer than 20 seconds to saw a head off it probably took them a few minutes and they of course edit it down for presentation.

it's two different cams that they spliced into one movie.. thats why the time code jumps back and forth...notice at the beginning of the movie when he is describing himself ...it has the stamp of the cam they end up using for most of the decap footage

Yes there are. Why did the US Govt initially say they never detained him? Also seems very strange he gets snagged by terrorists within 24 hours after being released.

Another thing I find strange is how quiet the US Govt has been about this, I've heard a few things here and there but overall they havent said a whole lot.

Interesting... But still fucked :(

Yea, I'm sure we've done worse shit to the Iraqi's. And plus, we invaded their country for no good enough reason, humiliate them and expect them to be fine with them?

jDoG

dumbass, do you think for a minute any of the guys in that video were even iraqi, i really doubt it.

It sounds to me like they wanted it to be more terrorizing than 3 mins of a rant in Arabic and 15 more of them cutting his head off. They wanted it to seem like they just jumped him and sawed it off in a few minutes.

I think it would have lost a little of the effect if they kept in the actual time of the sawing if indeed it did take that long. They wouldn't have seemed as fierce. They would have seemed like the idiots they are. Pulling out a butter knife out to cut someone's head off isn't a well-planned execution.

Someone else noticed that they are even different people. The first guy was probably like "man this is hard, you take over."

P.S. Karma is a bitch and these guys have something nasty waiting for them.

It looks VERY much like the daniel pearl beheading. The camera man does the same weird shit in both beheading videos -- just as the first initial cut is being made he zooms in so close you can't tell WTF is going on. Then the zoom out occurs and in both cases it looks very much as if they are both already dead.

It also came out this week that Pearl's captors tried to sedate him multiple times but Pearl wouldn't let them.

Even though the CIA said today it is most likely Al-Zaraqui (whatever his name is) in the tape I take that with a grain of salt. Yeah those WMD's were sure a "slam dunk" eh Tenet? :BangBang:

Fishy is an understatement. :2 cents:

Friends said he was in Us.Custody

Well until they released him and he got snatched outside the US prison

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/berg.friends/

Hmm, that is a bit of a gap... i think they probably just edited out some pointless footage.

There is no way he was dead when they're chopping his head off, because when they're pretty much all the way through his mouth is still opening and closing.

Yeah, those are the things that jumped out at me, too. Weirdness.

Fortunately this is GFY not court. You're an adult webmaster, not a judge .. In case you weren't clear.

But the missing 1 min and 16 seconds is when they just cut his head off and lifted his head up.

The only explanation would be there was a third camera filming it and it had a time stamp 1 min 16 seconds different from Camera 2.

Pain in the ass

Maybe they accidentally mentioned some names that they had to edit out?

Child, please note the winks, you think I consider this some kind of court? Please run along and let the older folks talk. ;)

DOnt quote me if you cant even grasp the context of the post.

I think they had out takes where they fucked up or someone did something like kick the guy or something.. Cuz when they jump and you hear the screams, you can hear the death rattle of his wind pipe being cut.... So that tells me he was very much alive while he was gettin his head sawed off...

Just my opinion though, like you have yours...

It's also possible some Iraqi's had some part in at least his capture, I read in a news article that the hotel he was staying in denied at first even knowing him, or seeing him - only to later talk about how he was "always smiling" and treated them better than a lot of foriegners, however I could also understand why they would deny knowing an american who was just murdered.

There was also a reward promised by Al-Qaeda for the murder of a citizen of America or Briton:
<I>
the speaker said. ''We, in Al Qaeda, will guarantee, God willing, 10,000 gm of gold to whoever kills the occupier Bremer, or the US chief commander or his deputy in Iraq.''
The speaker promised a lesser prize - 1 kg gold - to anyone killing a citizen of countries he called ''the masters of the veto like Americans and Britons''</I>

Did'nt even watch it..

I was checking out the color of their hands.. looked a bit too white for my tastes...why were they wearing masks..If i was going to make an insane statement by filming myself cutting off some guys head.. I would want people to know who I am and Why I was doing it :2 cents:

because it was reported that Zaquawi was dead months ago.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/chan...contentid=1235

:thumbsup

I know its hard to believe Conspiracy Planet, but his militant people DID say he was killed months ago.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

this article from Mar 4 2004.

Your right, they weren't. The CIA confirmed Nick Berg was killed by Bin Laden's top aide, al-Zarqawi, who is a Jordanian and a top Al Queda official.... He's claimed responsibility for over 100 attacks inside Iraq, with the help of some more than willing foreigners... To justify the brutal murder of this man, to the liking of young Iraqi resistance fighters is not only sick, but simply untrue.... any who try to justify that sick shit, has some twisted things going on in their head, and should seek help.

Today I heard that Al Qeada and al-Zarqawi's group, Ansar-al-islam, are not they same and that sometimes they have been in competition for funding. Sounds like he's more of an aspiring Osama type.

Hmm..that's open for debate :winkwink:

yep.

he has even had disagreements with them, mostly over money.

He is NOT a member of Al Qaida.

But no matter what you will have dumb <a href=http://www.postherald.com/me051304.shtml>people confusing the two</a> Here is a professor at a University doing it.

Even our good buddies, the <a href=http://www.nbc5.com/news/3300057/detail.html??z=dp&dpswid=1167317&dppid=65193>Hamas </a> condemns the beheading. And on the same page, clearly say"

"The United Arab Emirates on Wednesday became the first Arab government to criticize the slaying of Nick Berg, 26, of West Chester, Pa. The CIA says it believes the man seen on the tape carrying out the execution is Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, <a href=http://www.nbc5.com/news/3300057/detail.html??z=dp&dpswid=1167317&dppid=65193>a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden. </a>

When I have CLEARLY heard them say over and over Zarqawi is NOT Al Aqaida and even had run ins AGAINST them.

this is all spin.

"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist who has claimed responsibility for 25 bombings in Iraq. While he is not part of al-Qaida, per se, his organization is associated with bin Osama bin Laden and claims as its goal to prevent America from establishing a democratic Iraq. "

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/amer...on/8656195.htm

so which is it? A alietenant under him or two separate organizations?

Here is a conspiracy theory a male friend of mine believes.

That Nick was a prisoner of the AG prison.
He was mis-treated by the jailers.

His father launches a law suit and his identity as an American is confirmed.

They panic but a cool headed person finds a way to cover their butts.

They coerce him into agreeing to help them out of this mess.

They get him to phone home, say he is fine and never been mis-treated and is on his way home.

The prison guards dress like terrorists. Nick remains calm because he doesn`t fear anything is going to happen. Afterall he is just doing this so he can get out of there. Thus explaining Nicks calm manner. Afterall nothing was really going to happen.

The bad voice over, the take down where Nick doesn`t offer any resistence and the woman screaming in the background. Add the shaking of the camera to make it look real with the few seconds you can`t figure out what is happening.

Next is my favourite the missing 1min 16 seconds. And then this is where it gets weird.

He is either killed quickly off camera. (Not sure why) Or the death is faked.

This explains why there isn`t blood shooting out when his throat is cut.

(The heart wasn`t beating when the head was cut off) And from what movement can be seen it is done by the person holding the body and the one holding his head. The body itself doesn` move.

Now thats just a conspiracy theory. I still only have one question and that is where the hell is the photos of the body when they found it? Or even a report on the area. I mean if this happen in Montreal we would have the area sectioned off and every single news reporter would be standing outside of it with a camera to show the crime scene.

So if someone has a link. Please post it.

Pain in the ass

I suspect he was sedated.

Where is the video? I can tell if it's fake..