Couple Charged with Distributing Obscene Materials
 

the key is probably "through the mail" that's a no-no

Ouch.

"Obscenity is not protected speech under the First Amendment, she said."

Fucking fuckers, meanwhile priests are raping little boys.

WTF? Are we all going to jail now?

Names like 'Extreme' and Lizzie Borden, nah, youll never get attention to your parcel.

what kind of videos did they mail?

tell me its a BLUMPKIN flick.

:1orglaugh

A lot of porn companies that film their own content sell their videos on the members area of paysites.....

If you do anything outside the box you are a target !

ALSO 2257 is going to be a KEY issue.

Oh poor litle Pittsburgh rape fan cant get his videos.

'Buchanan said lack of enforcement has led to the proliferation of violent and degrading images such as distributed by Extreme Associates. One of the videos depicts rape and murder, she said.'

more shit for the fire.

No..just you :glugglug

So what in porn is 'inside the box'?

Only if you sell stuff like this..
" One of the videos depicts rape and murder, she said:.

from what I've seen if you're going to ship a physical package, use UPS or FedEx, and stay away from the US Mail

Did you see who was charged? Rob Black, he does crazy shit, max hardcore style.

whats the difference? In a legal way I mean.

Fedex, UPS, DHL are not controlled by postal inspectors... These guys need to keep their extreme stuff out of the US mail.

sounds like extreme's video "Forced Entry". basic premise is that these guys come into an unexpecting girls house, rape her and then kill her. one of the guys pretends to be Richard Ramierez or some shit. lame...

true, but they need a warrant to open your packages through US Mail, you sign a waiver with Fedex and UPS to allow anyone to search your stuff.

ah, ok. But still - mailing something is still mailing something right?

My lawyer told me that also, one you are using the private company and the other one you are using a government agency. The law also states you cant use the US mail for this, there is no excuse to use the US mail other than laziness.

It would do production companies a world of good to know exactly what is "inside the box" and what is "outside the box" with regards to the jurisdiction that their content is produced in. Too many people who want to produce content never do the research into what they can and cannot produce in the the area that they are producing it in.
What may be legal to produce in California may not be legal to produce in Nebraska.

Here in Canada, the Criminal Code spans coast to coast, and blankets the country, essentially making it easier to know what is legal and what isn't legal to produce, no matter where in Canada it's shot.

From what I understand, each State has it's own set of rules when it comes to sexually oriented productions, correct?

Bottom line is; Do your homework before you buy that digital camera and start snapping pics of your girlfriend/boyfriend...

But, when you're producing stuff like this guy, you're asking for it no matter where you are.
=)

... the website is still up !!

this is one main reason i use fedex and ups and i dont normaly sell vidoe tapes or dvds screw that
TOM

HWat about single model softcore videos.

or do you feel this is still asking for trouble ?

It's still sending pornographic material across state lines, no matter whether it's softcore solo or hardcore boy/girl.

If you know the kinds of extremely over the edge videos Zicari produces its no wonder he's got legal problems up the ass now.

Plus he takes the GFY attitude to law enforcement which is just plain stupid.

But I will say one thing, if he doesn't get successfully prosecuted on obscenity charges, we can all rest easy, because those type of videos are as far as you can go short of producing snuff films.

Yeppers, when they say their shit was extreme, they MEANT it.
They were asking for trouble with that stuff and they got it, full on.
But like KRL said, it will definitely set a precedent and will be one to watch. If it fails, many sites will be using it as a defense - if it goes through, it will encourage state attorneys to go after milder targets.

Is this the same event?

http://www.xtremeprowrestling.com/he.../52182338.html

Somehow rape and snuff might be considered extreme and maybe even obscene but consider this a harbinger.

To J. Ashxxxxxt a bare breast on a statue of justice was obscene. Under his concept of community standards we all need to be a bit wary.

no loss if Rob Black, Khan Tusion, Max Hardcore et al go down - they drag the whole industry through the mud. We're in the erotica business - they are in the human degradation business.

Good point. Don't know how many folks here have seen a Max Hardcore movie, but that stuff is just waiting to be nailed next in line after Extreme.

I shoot all the time and my stuff sells with out ever having to "depict rape and murder" Those pople should be behind bars! See Ya!

I'm no attorney.. But obviously since the Post Office is a Federal agency, there are specific laws outlining every aspect of the agency.

Title 39 of the US Code covers the US Postal Service.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/39/

And Section 18 - 1461 covers Mailing Obscene or crime-inciting matter.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1461.html

If you mail content through the US Postal System, check with an attorney to see if FedEx or UPS would allow you to transport your content without taking as much risk.

... wtf ?

Rob Black makes some pretty hardcore, border line stuff. I saw this movie where a van full of masked guys ran down a chick in a wheel chair and gang raped her.

It was obviously not really rape, but it was meant to look like it. Another scene in the movie showed two burglers come in, masked, tie a woman up and throw her into the pool, killing her.

It was all erotic and whatever, I think the movie was called "Miscreants" or something.

Good luck to them really

Hardcore Pornography is considered obscene in many areas. I run a lagre adult mail order company that only distributes soft core videos. I have had many oppurtunities to carry hard core products, but by doing so, the morality of these products would fall under the jurisdiction of every little county and state law where these videos end up. Solo girl/ softcore videos are not considered obscene in very many places. There are, however, several states where purchasers of even these products must be 21: AL, MS, NE, & WV.

The reason that Rob Black is having to go to court in Pittsburgh and justify the morality of his brand of pornography is simply greed. There are a couple of very good adult mail order companies out there that distribute even cutting edge pornographic video tapes. These companies take all the risk, and ask for a cut of the profit in return. Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, Max Hardcore, and many others go this route. They share their profits with a smart mailorder company and keep out of Mississippi/Utah/Pittsburgh courtrooms.

In the box or out of the box, here is the barometer I use. I picture myself sitting in front of the jury and they pop my video in. What will the look on the jurors faces ? Regular sucking and fucking or girl girl or solo girl people might not like it but they wont be shocked. Raping someone or making her throwup on your dick that is shocking. They are going to go after people they have a good chance of winning, mike and mary fucking on bed is a so what for the most part especially when you can see people almost fucking on real sex on hbo. You can buy a penthouse at borders with people fucking and its graphic, every little pop star is half naked grinding covered in sweat. Most are pretty numb to that. Want to make the extreme stuff, you make the bucks but you are asking for trouble.

I'm more interested in the downloading on the internet part of this case . . .

As long as they prosecute obscenity on the local level the internet is a mighty small place.

Robert Zicari and Janet Romano, both of Northridge, and their company, Extreme Associates, were indicted for allegedly distributing three videos to the Pittsburgh area through the mail and over the Internet, U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said Thursday.



Its the using the US mail that got them, they threw in the net for effect. There are probably 100's if not 1000's of hard core sites in PA, if they were going after the net they didnt have to go to CA.

Anti-American bullshit, busting some guy for a fictional movie where no one was hurt.

Just read another article and it said :


Buchanan said the prosecution "is not ... about limiting personal sexual conduct. This is not a case about banning sexually explicit materials."

Authorities won't go after producers of mainstream pornography or even customers of companies such as Extreme Associates, she said.


The extreme stuff makes easy wins and it has been going alittle too far it is time to reel it back in alittle .