what would you have done? another rip off story.
 

I have delayed posting this story for a long time even though i was majorly pissed at the time but since its about a desiger and reputation I thought I would do it now.

Back during the dot.com boom when i was new to the biz I decided that I wanted a logo done. I did my due diligence and emailed a company to ask if they wanted the work.

The company principal wrote back saying that as a company they were way to busy to take on any work but that he would ask his designers if they wanted to take on the work on a private basis.

Sure enough, a designer from the principal's company wrote back saying he could do the work on his own time. I took a look at his work; we agreed on a price; I wired him the money; and then I waited and waited.

After numerous emails/excuses the designer finally wrote back saying that he'd already spent the money and that he wasn't going to do the logo he'd contracted to do.

I then wrote the company principal outlining my experience. I made it ABSOLUTELY clear to him that I understood there was no contract between his company and myself. While I said that, I also wrote that I thought that he had a moral responsibility to act because he had a choice:

a) he could uphold his reputation and lean on his designer to repay the money because his company would not employ people who ripped off customers; or

b) he could damage his reputation and his company's reputation by knowingly continue to employ/contract such a designer.


After much hemming and hawing the company principal said that he had to employ this designer and that I was out of luck.

I said that I was not satisfied and that I would take my experience public on the boards. At this point the company principal wrote back ranting that he/she was one of the long time major players in the industry with a reputation to uphold and that if i took the matter to the boards, he would sue my ass off for defamation of character.

At the point I threw up my hands in disgust, chalked it up to experience, and moved on.

However, it has always bothered me - not so much for the money and the principle involved. Here was someone knowingly hiring a dishonest employee and yet saying that he/she had a reputation to uphold. This is particularly true now since this person posts on this board.

So.... what would you guys have done in my shoes then?
More importantly what would you do now?

Should I let it all hang out and name names or should I keep it 'in the closet' so to speak?

If you don't name the names, you will forever be known as a yellow belly, pussy, punk bitch.

If you name the names, then we all have a good laugh & you gain some cool points.

we gladly welcome homosexuals here @ gfy

but one thing we hate...is a punk bitch

so come on archer, show us what your balls are made of

let's hear it

Name names!

Mainly because similar things have happened to me, and I was also not able to do anything about them.

Take the opportunity :thumbsup

It would sound like the designer is the real prick here, and not the "reputable" company anyway. If the designer said he spent the money and wasn't doing your logo.. lol.. well why give him any respect ? Fuck him. Call that bitch out.

True, but when i send someone to (x) company for (x) service its because i truly believe in their service & vouch for them.

But not everyone lives by those rules for sure....

And yea i'd more like to hear who the designer is than this reputable big name guy....but hell lets hear both :1orglaugh

quit making us wait sissy boy.....it's about to get really gay if i have to refresh this 2 more times

drama queen

I agree with pr0

cough up that shit.

designer name and address in particular.

dude. I am sorry I spent the money. I was hurting for cash really bad. Please email me and we can work this out in private!


disclaimer* the above is not true. I am not a designer.

isn't informing fellow webmasters about companies, prickes, bitches, mother fuckers like this - the whole reason behind a webmater BBS ... (oh right the advertising revenue LOL!!!)

seriously tho ... name names!

i meant to have the focus be the actions of the individuals involved but here goes nothing: thecompany principal was Mark Tiarra and the company lumyr.com. The designer was simply was one of his contract workers.

lumyr.com

Ding Ding Ding we have another winner folks!

Not worth your time if it was just for a logo. Just write it off.

THIS IS AWESOME !!

reputable design companies exposed

AHAHAHAHHAHA

too funny

well archer hope this would wake Mark up and maybe he'll settle soemthing with ya

does the designer post here?

Mark Tiarra is not responsible in ANY way. If you go into a gas station and tell the owner the cashier came and stole $5 from you the other night, he'll tell you to fuckoff.

maybe archers not as gay as he thinks he is :helpme

no he doesn't quiet. haven't heard of him before or since. But when Mr. Tiarra started posting here a little while ago I started grinding my teeth.

As to leaving it in the past... sure....

getting the money back would be great but as i wrote originally it was the principle involved that bothered.

To me a person lives or dies by their reputation. Now sometimes shit happens - look at Dawgy. But from what i understand Dawgy is doing his damnest to meet his obligations and at the end of the day that's all you can ask for.

I agree Archer, if that was me and a designer I had working for me pulled shit like that it would be his fucking ass. That's NO WAY to treat a customer, it's total bs...

no doubt i agree archer...
surprisingly after today alot of you guys have patience man.. if it were me id get on taht shit until iget my money hehe

btw archer where in vancity are u in

hey candyman, i'm in richmond by the dykes(no laughing, please). I'll be the first to fall into the ocean when the big one hits :(

ahahha nice richmond , honger city
i'm in vancouver ,by granville . next to the granville bridge ahaha


yeh no doubt hehehe =P

you head down to davie often ? :Graucho

Hi Archer,

you ever need anything design wise, please feel free to check out our huge portfolio at, www.webinc.com


thanks

Todd Ostrer
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Thats too bad and it does speak to the guys character a little to knowingly continue to pay a designer who already ripped you off.. not to mention he's the one that REFERRED you to the rip-off scammer in the first place. It has the makings of a good conspiracy theory right there, if you think about the possible set-up.

I've heard nothing but good things about the guy myself from other people though, but he DID screw me over once. He held some lame contest over at the Pond to guess the name of some eyes and gave a clue. I was the first to respond, but instead he chooses someone else, a friend.. to get the free design. It was completely staged. Fake shit all around.

is it just me or

http://www.lumyr.com/

looks kinda ugh, the design site ... and some sites in the portfolio .. only good ones are karaxxx and like 2others

not trying to start beef, just thought they were huge and i expected to see something in the lines of quality like webinc

wuts up with taht .. totally diff styles, must have like a few crappy guys working in there and a good one

So... Mark Tiarra is pumping gas now...?

I love the poll results.

All of my following comments are based on the assumption that archer's story is true. I don't know anything about him, but I've seen him post plenty and he seems straight (har!) to me.

For everyone who's saying "It's not his fault! It was his designer!", etc, take your brain for a walk and come back and read the story again.

Just ask yourself a simple question: if this shit happened to you and you were told to fuck off and then threatened by someone who KNOWINGLY employed a thief and a scammer, would you put any more money in his hands? Not unless you're about six shades of stupid. He's not trustworthy, period.

When you allow things like that to go on in your business, it reflects on you and that's just the way it is. If you know that someone who is working for you is a thief and a liar and you continue to let him work for you, you're also a thief and a liar. If you own a gas station and you find out that one of your cashiers is stealing shit out of people's cars, you sack the fucker (unless you are benefiting from it or just don't care about your customers. See: not trustworthy, above).

Now, the owner of the company wouldn't owe archer any money because he just put archer and the designer together. He wasn't really involved. However, as owner of the company and being as the designer worked for him, the boss man has a minimum responsibility to try to at least lean on the employee to make things right or get the jackass out of his company. Unless, of course, he just doesn't give a fuck. See: untrustworthy above.

SpaceAce

Hahaha... where the fuck do you live? A business lives and dies on its reputation. Any gas station that allowed thieving cashiers to rip off customers and then told them to fuck would be out of business in a month.

SpaceAce

ok. PLEASE remove that signature or at least hide the asses please, i find it hard to read your posts and not have the uncontrolable urge to scroll away ......miles away.....hehehehe

Do you want me to post a big gay porn picture?

...and he'd get his windows broken.

As an employer, you are the one responsible for your employees actions. If they do something right you look good and you give them a pat on the back. If they do bad, you look like a shmuck and you give him a kick in the ass.
Mr Tiarra should have tried to sort the problem out.

If I recommend you to some one who rips you off, then I feel responsible.

Bottom line is, how long does it take to knock up a logo if you are a designer?

got to gain the cool points

got to be seen as cool by that fat fuck pr0

look at me! look at me!

:1orglaugh

I had no idea how many scams and BS was going on with the designers.
Seems everyone is getting fucked, I wonder why that area is so shady.

Wrong, he does post here. In fact he posted in another thread one minute before you mentioned his name.

Mark, is this story true?

what was the name of that designer?

I am curious...

Beautiful! Thats they way man!

You know what, yesterday i hired 5 sluts and we drank all jack daniels from our supermarket and (surprise!!) today i have no more money left. And you know what, today i feel real bad.... and i just dont feel like doing your logo... i could use some more jack daniels instead.... so can we just like.... leave this...?? Or maybe you could send some more money in???

bitch.

At least he could take the time to make up some wack story about how sick he is or anything like that.