Clearly marked pre-checked cross sales?
 

OK, Not OK, Depends and I will explain?

pre checked cross sales are part of the internet.

i accept them as such.

reading is fundamental.
people should do it before they pull out their wallets.

No No no no NO NO no no NO NO NO NO NO.

if the user has the option to unchecked it . yes , other wise NO

if its so great it should be able to be left unchecked unless the customer wants to check it.

:golfclap

Cross sales are fine as long as they are NOT pre-checked. Make it an offer they can't refuse, and the surfer will check it.

works for a little company called amazon.

Depends, and I will explain.

If I am promoting a high paying PPS program I know they will have that and that is ok by me.

If I am promoting a revshare sponsor that I want to earn long time reccuring with I would never accept that they have pre-check x-sales unless I am getting revshare from them. I know some revshare sponsors have x-sales and don't pay the affiliate for them, I will not promote that.

I have returned to GFY after many years to say they are NOT ok.
There is no further need for this poll.

Bless you all.

I'm behind Nicky's ideals on this one.

It's generally not possible for a program to credit someone for cross sales on a revshare basis, since doing so would require manipulation of the NATS database and require an extended program with postback from a third party; which is kind of out of the TOS, and difficult to implement. If someone's messing with the DB, they will generally know how to shave, and may very well be doing so.

However, it's usually fairly easy to turn on or off the checkboxes, depending on the program type.

Clearly marked and in plain view is alright with me. Personally I wouldn't do it, but I don't see it as scammy.

I still say, cross sales are a great business tool. But when you make a page specifically to hide them, you're no better than a crook who cons old ladies over the phone.

Actually I voted yes, but I meant to vote no...
cross sales are bad for this industry, or any other.

you cross the line once you go from opt-in, to opt-out. At that point you change from offering something that somebody can decline to putting something in somebodys cart when they didnt ask for it, i believe in relationships, so i wouldnt do that myself

however, once you go that route, its just a matter of degree of "how much you want" and that is a function of many different things youve seen here over the past few months. do you want just 30% or so you want 98% of people taking the crossell? well that depends on how you set it up.

but let me make clear im not complaining, i understand that prechecks fuel many of the revenue around here, there would be 25% less revenue floating around here if it wasnt for prechecks

its a hot topic and people have a tendency to complain about them, but i dont know many that are willing to take the earnings cut that comes along with them all going away.

People in this industry dont seem to remember. Without the customer we are nothing.

above the submit button and clearly stated in text that is easily readable with rebilling information.

no problems whatsoever. been happening for a decade or more in adult.

someone actually emailed me yesterday asking if my site was really only $30, because they joined a site in the past that said $30, but charged them much more, and he didn't want to join if that was going to be the case.

indeed it is very hard to credit someone for x sells i don't see it happening in fact I can't think of any program doing it.

:2 cents:

I wish to subscribe to your magazine. :thumbsup:thumbsup

I was booking an airline ticket this week and right before I hit " Confirm " I was presented with the prechecked option to join their program for a fee and the second box was travel insurance for a fee.

Kind of reminds me of how I bought a camera from amazon.com and almost ended up with an extra battery, film, lights, and a bag to carry it in.

Luckily I can read so I have no problems with it :)

Oh, were you talking about the adult business?

In all fairness if we are really doing are jobs properly. They technically should be as hard as a rock, dick in hand, credit card next to keyboard and more than likely having the reasoning of a 5 year old in front of a candy store with a few bucks. They just want in and reading may not be their top priority at the time, let alone fine print.

In other terms, how fucked would many of us be if some woman had some fine print tattooed above her shaved pussy? Sure it is clearly there but really...

On pps it should be fine, on revshare it is only fine if affiliates get 50% of the cross sale :2 cents:

Unless you're earning from scamming him. Then it's fine. Until he's gone. Then those who can't make it without scamming can go back to flipping burgers.

You can't compare cross selling on a main stream site or product with porn. It's apples and carrots.

Very true, if we do our jobs right they should be too busy, horny and distracted to notice all the cross sales. Great if you're living off a client who only buys a product once. Then you can always turn him into a client like that. Maybe you can do it once, twice, thrre times. How long before he says "Tubes don't fuck me." ?

So it's fine if you're earning from it today.

And fuck tomorrow.

Ok, let me clarify, I HATE pre-checked cross sells, they are horrible, almost scammish, I promote mostly sites that are fair, and gives the customer what they intend to purchase rather than hidden costs, it's 100% deceptive.

So, I'll take that back, i HATE THEM very much...... BUT on business side, the sponsors that pay revshare and dont give credit to affiliates for pre-checks are scamming both the customer AND the affiliate.

Oh, and I always prefer promoting revshare, with no pre-checks, and I will NEVER support tube sites, if I ever know of any traffic trades on my sites with supporters of illegal tube sites I will cut the trades immediately


(Sorry i'm kinda all over the place on this subject, it's just so complicated though)

LOL...why should I get a share of that as an affiliate?

I send traffic to a site to revshare in a membership to THAT site. Once MY surfer goes onto THEIR join page and joins...He is no longer MY surfer. He is now THEIR customer.

All of this talk is horseshit. Every business in the world does the equivalent of pre-checks. As one of the people in this thread already stated...you get hit with all kinds of things when you buy a plane ticket for instance.

Deceptive wording and "scare tactics" drive MILLIONS of dollars in the car industry for backend "product" And yes, every one of you has paid thousands and thousand of unnecessary dollars everytime you bought a car.

And insurance? :1orglaugh

Precheck cross sales are no more a part of an affiliates money than all those pop ups were for the first 10 years of this business. I send traffic to join a SPECIFIC site. I get a HUGE percentage of that sale and all rebills for that sale.

And how did I do it? I put up a fucking link. Wow.

The paysite owner? Well, if he's like me...he shot everything himself. Found talent himself. Paid for everything. Edited himself. Designed and updated the site himself. Rendered all the video for hours. Uploaded each scene (a few hours everytime) and takes ALL the legal risk and social risks for his family.

And in the end...as an affiliate if I send a sign up to a site that costs $34.99 I just made $17.49! End of story.

As a paysite owner...if an affiliate sends me a sale....I pay him 17.49, I then pay $6.12 for the biller. And then I make $11.38 off of that sale. And oh, by the way...I host everything and pay for that on TOP of my production costs, time spent, 2257 costs, and legal costs.

And that doesn't take into account the fact that if there is a chargeback....I get nailed an ADDITIONAL $55 by the bank. :( Oh, and all the surfers that get declined? Guess what? I get charged a fee for THAT as well.

Many of you on here are only seeing things from an affiliates view. That's understandable. I did too from 1998 to 2007.

But now that I'm on the other side of it as well and working 100 X harder than I ever did when I was Ampland...I understand a lot more things. Yes, my affiliate work with my tgps still takes 4 to 5 hard hours of very efficient work on my part. But the paysite? It's damn near a 24 hour job.

And knowing that, gives me a different perspective on pre-checked x-sells.

Also keep in mind, that they have been around for a long time. And quite frankly it wasn't until Mitch from Netbilling came on GFY and made a big post touting them about 6 months ago that it even became an issue.

At that point, a lot of affiliates who are relatively new (weren't around in the 1990's) started screaming that it was somehow "cheating" and "shady" and destroying the so-called "industry".

But it's been there all along. You just didn't know about it. Just like you didn't know that you didn't really need that $1,500 worth of extra warranty you bought with your new car. Or that flight insurance that you paid extra for on your airline ticket. Or those little extra things on your phone bill that you don't really have to have, but unless you call them and opt out you get charged for...and I could go on and on and on. It's how business is and always has been done...long before the internet even existed. :pimp

Unfortunately, I agree with this. IF clearly marked.

Credit card companies, forum new member applications, software programs,... just about everything has some kind of 'pre checked' something.

While not all are sales related, or going to result in hundreds of dollars in bullshit you did not sign up for. You do get pre checked horseshit for more spam, you name and info sold off to other companies, and so on. You have to read, and uncheck all that shit.

Even the credit monitoring services I use for the three bureaus have it. Sadly, it's a case of reading. Keep in mind, I do not have a dog in this fight. We do not promote such things, nor have a program doing this.

It's simply one man's observation.

:2 cents:

Thanks for clearing that up. But there have been other replies that say it's fine so long as they get paid for it.

Let's get this straight and speak honestly. We as an industry have had 10 years, or more, to impress on the surfer that buying porn from the Internet is the best way. In that 10 years we have probably taught him that buying porn on the Internet is a mugs game. Which is what people were saying 8 years ago when I first posted here.

Cross sales are just one of the reasons we are all now struggling, and if you're not you would be doing a lot better if we had willing customers. There are other reasons we don't control the porn supply business, they all boil down to the same thing. For a product others can give away for free which satisfies the consumer we charge too much for too little.

But of course we all know it's not our fault, the blame is with everyone else.

Not Ok!
Not Ok!
Not Ok!

Gotta disagree on that 100000% $34.99 for exclusive niche content on a handmade site? Too much? lol That's about half a tank of gas for 24/7 access to our site and all the sites on our network.

It would take a LOT more than that just to get a couple of hours in at the Adult Book Store. Just because there are people stealing content doesn't mean that exclusive sites with direction and focus and a proven market are overpriced at all. This shit is a fucking bargain.

Just a few years ago, you had to:
1. Live in an area that ALLOWED adult book stores.

2. Actually drive to that book store and take a chance of your fellow citizens seeing you.

3. God help you if you had some kind of crazy fetish and/or wanted to see gay or trannies.
You would have been too embarrassed and scared to buy that shit.

4. One video was more than a months' subscription to a paysite. And the paysites update all the time with new scenes.

Paysites are not overpriced. We are a fucking bargain. :thumbsup And a complete revolution in sexuality as well.

We may think so, though what we think is not important. It's what the surfer thinks that is important. Have we taught him to agree with you or have we taught him something else?

My bank account and membership list says they agree with me. But that's always been so in every business. The cream rises.

Speak for yourself chief.
:disgust

Spoken like a true king. :thumbsup

You know me! :1orglaugh The "king" of stupid shit. :1orglaugh

Ok,... the "bro" of drinks.
:1orglaugh

As long as I'm "buying" them at a sponsored open bar :1orglaugh
And I will have a pre-checked redbull with my jaegermeister along with a hidden pre-checked michelob ultra and a double hidden pre-checked sumpin'-sumpin' in my pocket
heh-heh :pimp

That says it best:thumbsup

more votes please.

OK when clearly marked, I always use the Gas station analogy, I fill my tank with gas (currently every 8 days to the tune of around $75 bucks) I obviously want a receipt otherwise my accountant will kick my ass, the machine asks me "would you like a car wash?" OH SNAP what's that an unchecked x sale, a savvy one but still an unchecked one fortunately I say NO thanks then say YES I want a receipt.... this is th OIL companies real big fuckers in my book! I am a fan of the unchecked x sale I have been doing this for a long time and am a big fan of giving the customer what they want and "deserve" pre checked x sales pretty much suck for the consumer, and lots of times for the company that cannot retain the consumer more than 30 days, some of my most profitable accounts are the ones that promote unchecked x sales, especially if your members area does not suck.....

that is all...:2 cents: