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Cory W 08-29-2008 07:20 PM

Which is worse for McCain? His new VP, or a hurricane leveling New Orleans and
 
Obama helping people put up sandbags while McCain is standing under confetti dropping?

Seriously, I would imagine they will move the convention, but talk about things going wrong in groves....

Shamus McFamous 08-29-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 14685363)
Obama helping people put up sandbags while McCain is standing under confetti dropping?

Seriously, I would imagine they will move the convention, but talk about things going wrong in groves....

Isn't it droves? :upsidedow

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 08-29-2008 07:23 PM

oh snap....

tony286 08-29-2008 07:23 PM

Cory has a point.

After Shock Media 08-29-2008 07:24 PM

I think things can go wrong in both droves and groves.

Will there be an orchard at the RNC?

Cory W 08-29-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14685380)
Cory has a point.

And a low vocabulary to boot!

But all the same, this is just bad. Long ways to go though.

Cory W 08-29-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14685385)
I think things can go wrong in both droves and groves.

Will there be an orchard at the RNC?

It's regional : )

Cory W 08-29-2008 07:28 PM

I think tomorrow if it's dead on for New Orleans, they have to move it.

I would think the preparation alone on that would warrant the need for time.

DaddyHalbucks 08-29-2008 07:48 PM

The Democrats seem pretty pissed off with McCain's choice of Sarah Palin...

I love it!


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

mynameisjim 08-29-2008 07:54 PM

Could be helpful. If he postpones his Convention and they spin it by saying he's taking a political hit in order to help people, it could make him look like a great guy. It's all how they spin it.

Not to mention, the later you have your convention, the better.

Could go either way.

mikeyddddd 08-29-2008 07:57 PM

I think it would help McCain if he sent his new VP to New Orleans to be leveled by a hurricane.

She'd be a martyr; he'd get sympathy rather than being embarrassed.

baddog 08-29-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 14685363)
Obama helping people put up sandbags while McCain is standing under confetti dropping?

Seriously, I would imagine they will move the convention, but talk about things going wrong in groves....

By move, you mean the date?

Cory W 08-29-2008 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 14685472)
Could be helpful. If he postpones his Convention and they spin it by saying he's taking a political hit in order to help people, it could make him look like a great guy. It's all how they spin it.

Not to mention, the later you have your convention, the better.

Could go either way.

Yeah, for sure. But I say tomorrow, if the line is still on New Orleans, post-pone. Take no chances. Only thing is, I think their is a hurricane right behind this one.

Cory W 08-29-2008 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14685481)
By move, you mean the date?

Yeah, the date. Extend it.

I'm saying if the Hurricane hits NO, they not only lose attention, but it would look bad and bring back bad memories....

At least from my perspective.

baddog 08-29-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 14685485)
Yeah, the date. Extend it.

I'm saying if the Hurricane hits NO, they not only lose attention, but it would look bad and bring back bad memories....

At least from my perspective.

I don't see that happening.

GetSCORECash 08-29-2008 08:02 PM

The media won't even cover the Convention... It's the perfect scenerio for Obama.

McCain, will lose all the buzz from the Sarah VP hipe.

tony286 08-29-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 14685387)
And a low vocabulary to boot!

But all the same, this is just bad. Long ways to go though.

A low vocabulary?

marketsmart 08-29-2008 08:28 PM

i like oranges and confetti pie...

seeric 08-29-2008 08:28 PM

the media will be focused on new orleans being owned by another hurricane and the nation will care more about that. this is crushing for RNC. they gotta postpone. that storm is dead on towards new orleans. i really hope that it fizzles once its over cuba and downgrades, but the hurricane centers are saying that the water is way warmer and that is going to fuel it when it gets into the gulf. this could be really bad. like really bad.

spacedog 08-29-2008 08:34 PM

It was in the news days ago that they will postpone the RNC and are keeping their eye on the storm prior to announcing it.

One of the reasons for postponing is due to the fact that if Gustav hits New Orleans, Bush will need to remain in Washington and he was scheduled to speak at the RNC.

The other reason was due to suggestion by McCain whom did not want to be insensitive to the people of New Orleans and out of respect for them he wanted to postpone.

Fire 08-29-2008 08:56 PM

If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

tony286 08-29-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire (Post 14685672)
If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

Actually I read somewhere they aren't any better prepared than they were 3 yrs ago. I hope you are right, those poor people.

seeric 08-29-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire (Post 14685672)
If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

i am guessing you live in N.O. or at least Louisiana. If it comes your way good luck to you and leave early enough to get as far inland as possible. :)

baddog 08-29-2008 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14685590)
It was in the news days ago that they will postpone the RNC and are keeping their eye on the storm prior to announcing it.

One of the reasons for postponing is due to the fact that if Gustav hits New Orleans, Bush will need to remain in Washington and he was scheduled to speak at the RNC.

The other reason was due to suggestion by McCain whom did not want to be insensitive to the people of New Orleans and out of respect for them he wanted to postpone.

Has been a busy week. I had heard none of that. I think the only reason I knew there was a hurricane is from a thread title here.

That being said, I have to take it back. The VP choice will hurt him more than a hurricane.

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Originally Posted by Fire (Post 14685672)
If Gustave does in fact hit New Orleans it won't be as exciting for the media as last time. All levels of Government seem to have learned their lesson from the folly of the past. We finally have a competent Governor that is so far taking the necessary steps to ensure that the State Government gets as little blame as possible for the effects of any possible catastrophe. The Federal Government is also prepared much better and poised for an efficient response. With the Feds and the State providing so much at this early time, and the obvious lessons everyone should have learned, there is slim chance that Chocolate City Nagin will screw things up.

You sound like someone that wasn't putting all the Katrina blame on Bush. So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

notoldschool 08-29-2008 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14685706)

You sound like someone that wasn't putting all the Katrina blame on Bush. So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

Most of the people couldnt get out there in time high speed and does it really matter. I know how fast our military can organize a movement and it was disgusting to watch helpless people die while Bush and our goverment sat on their hands. Its all about responding and our troops are quick to be sent in harms way for no reason but god forbid they can help save some of our own. Its a sad day when Hollywood actors like Sean Penn are quicker to react than our own goverment. :throwup
You come off as a real asshole trying to justify such grostesque actions.

Cory W 08-29-2008 09:17 PM

Looks like they are now running the possibility of back-to-back canes. Wow.

baddog 08-29-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 14685771)
Most of the people couldnt get out there in time high speed and does it really matter. I know how fast our military can organize a movement and it was disgusting to watch helpless people die while Bush and our goverment sat on their hands. Its all about responding and our troops are quick to be sent in harms way for no reason but god forbid they can help save some of our own. Its a sad day when Hollywood actors like Sean Penn are quicker to react than our own goverment. :throwup
You come off as a real asshole trying to justify such grostesque actions.

The Feds can't just come rushing in without being asked by the State. It is the State's fault that things took so long. :2 cents:

ninavain 08-29-2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14685457)
The Democrats seem pretty pissed off with McCain's choice of Sarah Palin...

I love it!


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm glad you love it..because McCain just gave the DEMS the White house and I thank you :thumbsup:thumbsup

tony286 08-29-2008 10:07 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1
sounds like word games were played.

baddog 08-29-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14685903)
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1
sounds like word games were played.

Quote:

There's no question the federal government plays a major role in disaster relief. But federal officials say in order to get involved, they must first be asked to do so by state officials.

As one FEMA official told ABC News, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco failed to submit a request for help in a timely manner.
I still haven't figured out why everyone wants to blame the feds. Every time we have a major earthquake, or wild fires, or other natural disaster, the first thing we here is that fed assistance has been requested and granted. That shit is immediate.

The state and local government in N.O. and LA dropped the ball, big time. :2 cents:

TheDoc 08-29-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14685706)
So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

Would you like them to hop on the 4 bikes and 1 car they own and drive away like you can?

It appears you haven't witnessed first hand what really being poor in this Country can be like.

tony286 08-29-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14685926)
I still haven't figured out why everyone wants to blame the feds. Every time we have a major earthquake, or wild fires, or other natural disaster, the first thing we here is that fed assistance has been requested and granted. That shit is immediate.

The state and local government in N.O. and LA dropped the ball, big time. :2 cents:

like I said word games :
Shortly before Katrina hit, she sent President Bush a request asking for shelter and provisions, but didn't specifically ask for help with evacuations. One aide to the governor told ABC News today Blanco thought city officials were taking care of the evacuation.

baddog 08-29-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14685928)
Would you like them to hop on the 4 bikes and 1 car they own and drive away like you can?

It appears you haven't witnessed first hand what really being poor in this Country can be like.

Isn't it the responsibility of the local government to help them get out? I seem to recall hearing a lot of, "I haven't left for one yet" and other similar responses.

TheDoc 08-29-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14685932)
Isn't it the responsibility of the local government to help them get out? I seem to recall hearing a lot of, "I haven't left for one yet" and other similar responses.

When the local government is properly funded, but again those aren't towns that you would say are locally funded.

baddog 08-29-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14685929)
like I said word games :
Shortly before Katrina hit, she sent President Bush a request asking for shelter and provisions, but didn't specifically ask for help with evacuations. One aide to the governor told ABC News today Blanco thought city officials were taking care of the evacuation.

gotta link?

Drake 08-29-2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14685926)
The state and local government in N.O. and LA dropped the ball, big time. :2 cents:

Agreed...

TheDoc 08-29-2008 10:25 PM

So you expect, a state, which doesn't have a federally funded emergency plan with funds sent to them for evacuations, an entire fleet of buses on hand and ready, and just the overall hardcore damage that was done, again you expect a state which is not funded for that to just all the sudden, do it?

But the Gov, which has a Federally funded program that does exactly this, which took days to respond, isn't the one that dropped the ball?


Actually, that sounds like a kick ass idea. Wow, and think of all the Obama tax knocking going on. Sure, California, Florida, and so on.. They should pay for it and by doing so you should be taxed out the balls..... or you can just let the Fed Gov pay for it and allow the entire Country to suck it up.

Fire 08-29-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14685693)
Actually I read somewhere they aren't any better prepared than they were 3 yrs ago. I hope you are right, those poor people.

They are better prepared to get the people out that really cant get themselves out and they are not foolish enough to set up shelter in an area that can be flooded. There are no shelters of last resort in the city of New Orleans (i.e. the SuperDome).

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K
i am guessing you live in N.O. or at least Louisiana. If it comes your way good luck to you and leave early enough to get as far inland as possible.

Yes, new orleans and I'll be here for the duration.

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Originally Posted by baddog
You sound like someone that wasn't putting all the Katrina blame on Bush. So, do you think the residents are smarter and will split instead of hanging out? Or will they view the government's preparedness as a reason to not worry?

I don't put all the blame on Bush even though that seems to be very unpopular over here.
In fact, I don't put any blame on him. Before Katrina politicians didn't know shit about emergency management or Incident Command. Most probably still don't but maybe they are learning.

As far as the residents being smarter or hanging out.. who knows. There are some that seem destined to stay saying "it cant happen again this soon". There are others that have left already. And there will be others that claim they couldn't afford it while they sit at their government subsidized housing with a $50,000 vehicle and $3,000 rims to make it look cool.

However it goes, I'll be waiting here ready to go to work if need be.

baddog 08-29-2008 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14685936)
When the local government is properly funded, but again those aren't towns that you would say are locally funded.

hmmm, you would think with all the tourism.

tony286 08-29-2008 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14685934)
gotta link?

the same link I gave before its two pages :)
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/HurricaneK...1102467&page=1


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