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ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 10:54 AM

kut.com - is it worth 65k?????
 
Ok, I'm looking at purchasing a domain to add to my network, and I', in negotiations to buy kut.com. It received over 33k uniques monthly, over 1k uniques daily. Here's the kicker, over 60% of the traffic comes from India, and 22+ percent from Brazil.

Now I'm asking myself how the hell can I make money from this kind of traffic? I know they are not great Internet commerce countries right now, but their Internet usage and overall people buying power is probably where the USA was in the 1950's and Internet wise where the USA was in 1992.


I'd like some honest input on the future of this domain should I buy it, and what you think it could be used for? I was thinking of making a Cutting Tools splash page and sell ads to companies who have cutting tool businesses. Nothing set yet and I'm still negotiating on the price.

Thanks for all feedback guys :thumbsup

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 10:55 AM

65k is lots bro... that traffic is useless..

i would probably pay $15-20k max for it.. not $65k

Kut doesnt mean shit

Libertine 08-08-2008 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582051)
Kut doesnt mean shit

Indeed it doesn't. It means "pussy", in Dutch.

GrouchyAdmin 08-08-2008 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14582065)
Indeed it doesn't. It means "pussy", in Dutch.

They still haven't figured out what those are used for, though.

polle54 08-08-2008 11:00 AM

You better have a solid idea ready if you through $65k, it's not gonna earn itself that's for sure.

1k/day traffic equals shit... however the domain is pretty nice and does seem to hold a generic value in india. as suggested $15-20k... but then again I have no clue on domains.

ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582051)
65k is lots bro... that traffic is useless..

i would probably pay $15-20k max for it.. not $65k

Kut doesnt mean shit

Well, it is one of the last 3 letter domains available under 6 figures that I've found. I would think there's a long term profit potential somewhere down the line, other than adult. I'm looking more non-adult at the moment possibly. Still waiting to find out their Sedo parking revenue.

kenny 08-08-2008 11:05 AM

You're better off finding a better value domain and using the rest to build upon it.

For example your money is better spent at $5,000 for a domain and $60,000 for marketing/development.

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ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polle54 (Post 14582075)
You better have a solid idea ready if you through $65k, it's not gonna earn itself that's for sure.

1k/day traffic equals shit... however the domain is pretty nice and does seem to hold a generic value in india. as suggested $15-20k... but then again I have no clue on domains.

True, I would think there's also some American companies with KUT in their name that might be interested. it's all about sales also. I don't think it would be too hard for me to pick up the phone and sell ads on a splash page for 250 each to maybe 4-12 clients per month. Been doing that for years now.

ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny (Post 14582105)
You're better off finding a better value domain and using the rest to build upon it.

For example your money is better spent at $5,000 for a domain and $60,000 for marketing/development.

.

Yeah I agree. $10.50 on a domain is even better , hehe :thumbsup

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 11:07 AM

well if you think its a good deal go ahead and buy it.. but those people selling useless 3 letter domains like JOA.com for 6 figs are on good crack.. Unless you get lucky and find a new company and thats the acronym.

id make more money if i spend $10 on a domain, and $99,990 on marketing.. Than buying a no meaning 3 letter domain for $100,000

ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582131)
well if you think its a good deal go ahead and buy it.. but those people selling useless 3 letter domains like JOA.com for 6 figs are on good crack.. Unless you get lucky and find a new company and thats the acronym.

id make more money if i spend $10 on a domain, and $99,990 on marketing.. Than buying a no meaning 3 letter domain for $100,000

Ya I agree. So you don't think that perhaps in 5-10 years KUT.com could sell for 100k+?

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ManufacturingMan (Post 14582138)
Ya I agree. So you don't think that perhaps in 5-10 years KUT.com could sell for 100k+?

maybe.. but factoring in inflation and lost earnings, then its not a good investment..

Think about this:

You dump $60k in 2008, then say in 7yrs you sell for $120k

Thats a 100% return in 7yrs.. pretty fucking crappy if you ask me..

Give me $60k, ill build a site and in 7yrs i woulda made $600,000 from that site.

make sense?

ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582144)
maybe.. but factoring in inflation and lost earnings, then its not a good investment..

Think about this:

You dump $60k in 2008, then say in 7yrs you sell for $120k

Thats a 100% return in 7yrs.. pretty fucking crappy if you ask me..

Give me $60k, ill build a site and in 7yrs i woulda made $600,000 from that site.

make sense?

Makes sense, but how do you go about making that kind of money from a site? thats in no way typical of the average adult webmaster which i would consider myself I suppose.

pornguy 08-08-2008 11:18 AM

It does not have MEAN anything when viewed as a word.

But what companies exist with the initials K U T.

They will pay BIG for that.

ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 14582192)
It does not have MEAN anything when viewed as a word.

But what companies exist with the initials K U T.

They will pay BIG for that.

Yeah, you just never know. I owned ReeceDesign.com andnever really used it, it just forwarded to reecemarketing.com. then one day I received an email from reece.com wanting to buy reecedesign.com since "Reece Design" was a name of a department they owned. i ended up agreeing to $5,000. I paid maybe 30 bucks for it over 3 years of domain fee's. not too bad.

notime 08-08-2008 11:23 AM

I'll sell you kutten.nl for 50K :) (means pussies instead of pussy)

Libertine 08-08-2008 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582144)
maybe.. but factoring in inflation and lost earnings, then its not a good investment..

Think about this:

You dump $60k in 2008, then say in 7yrs you sell for $120k

Thats a 100% return in 7yrs.. pretty fucking crappy if you ask me..

Give me $60k, ill build a site and in 7yrs i woulda made $600,000 from that site.

make sense?

That absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. Like, zero sense. Nil. Nada.

You seem to be oblivious of the subtle difference between "making an investment" and "starting up an entire business".

Time is money. Repeat that line in your head a few dozen times. Maybe it will sink in.

Let's say the site that has made you $600k took 20 hrs/week to create and maintain. Valuing your time at $100/hr, you've invested $60k up front, and an additional $728k in work. That's a pretty shitty ROI :2 cents:

Libertine 08-08-2008 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notime (Post 14582216)
I'll sell you kutten.nl for 50K :) (means pussies instead of pussy)

:1orglaugh

Should've gotten kutjes.nl instead, that one's actually worth something :winkwink:

Eriic 08-08-2008 11:31 AM

No way! The traffic is of no value, I would say $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 and not one cent more cause you got to market that name and build a rep from scratch to capture a worthwhile market in U.S.A. Canada and Europe and Asia and that's going to take alot of time and money.

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14582223)
That absolutely makes no sense whatsoever. Like, zero sense. Nil. Nada.

You seem to be oblivious of the subtle difference between "making an investment" and "starting up an entire business".

Time is money. Repeat that line in your head a few dozen times. Maybe it will sink in.

Let's say the site that has made you $600k took 20 hrs/week to create and maintain. Valuing your time at $100/hr, you've invested $60k up front, and an additional $728k in work. That's a pretty shitty ROI :2 cents:


oki bro whatever you say. i make lots of money and like i said before, i can USE $60k and turn it into at least 100k/yr for the next 6yrs, while he *MAYBE* turns his 60k into 120k if he is lucky..

By the way i dont work more than 2-3hrs a day.

Also, domain biz just requires too much time. Why the fuck would i dump $60k and *HOPE* it turns into 100k in 10yrs.. I mean come on..

I have a friend in domain biz and he makes like $10k a month and i laugh cause i build/run sites and make his monthly income in 4-5 days.. so w/e

ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 11:39 AM

Well I'm still undecided. heh

notime 08-08-2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14582236)
:1orglaugh

Should've gotten kutjes.nl instead, that one's actually worth something :winkwink:

I have snolletjes.nl, schaamhaar.nl, adultsms.nl, film2.nl, ip-tv.nl, etc. and 2000 domains more like it from 1997 & 1998 and on ;)
It's rare if I sell some, mostly I do nothing with them untill I get the time to put something on it, but since my nick is Notime, I doubt I will ever use them.

Libertine 08-08-2008 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582290)
oki bro whatever you say. i make lots of money and like i said before, i can USE $60k and turn it into at least 100k/yr for the next 6yrs, while he *MAYBE* turns his 60k into 120k if he is lucky..

By the way i dont work more than 2-3hrs a day.

Also, domain biz just requires too much time. Why the fuck would i dump $60k and *HOPE* it turns into 100k in 10yrs.. I mean come on..

I have a friend in domain biz and he makes like $10k a month and i laugh cause i build/run sites and make his monthly income in 4-5 days.. so w/e

Way to miss the point.

I'm not saying this domain would be a good investment. Hell, it's worth $25k at most.

However, the 100% return in 7 years you mentioned in the other post would be a good investment, if you could find it (try finding a bank that'll give you a 10%+ interest rate).

Developing a site that makes $600k in 7 years with a $60k investment would only be a good investment if you have the time to do it - that is to say, if you want to turn that investment into a job.

kenny 08-08-2008 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManufacturingMan (Post 14582315)
Well I'm still undecided. heh


Don't do it.

You're paying a speculative premium for the three letters. Three letters don't mean shit to anybody but domainers.

You'll be stuck in the position where you have to find someone else willing to pay more than $65K in order to profit.

How much more and how how long will you have to wait? Not worth it at all, IMHO

You could find somebody tomorrow willing to pay $75K or you might go 10 years finding nobody willing to pay $50K for it.

Its all BS speculation and finding the bigger fool in order to sell it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger_fool_theory

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny (Post 14582367)
Don't do it.

You're paying a speculative premium for the three letters. Three letters don't mean shit to anybody but domainers.

You'll be stuck in the position where you have to find someone else willing to pay more than $65K in order to profit.

How much more and how how long will you have to wait? Not worth it at all, IMHO

You could find somebody tomorrow willing to pay $75K or you might go 10 years finding nobody willing to pay $50K for it.

Its all BS speculation and finding the bigger fool in order to sell it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger_fool_theory

thats what ive been tryin to say..

CurrentlySober 08-08-2008 12:00 PM

Spend the 65K on poo instead...

10 years down the road... Youll thank me dude!

Libertine 08-08-2008 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582290)
oki bro whatever you say. i make lots of money and like i said before, i can USE $60k and turn it into at least 100k/yr for the next 6yrs, while he *MAYBE* turns his 60k into 120k if he is lucky..

By the way i dont work more than 2-3hrs a day.

Also, domain biz just requires too much time. Why the fuck would i dump $60k and *HOPE* it turns into 100k in 10yrs.. I mean come on..

I have a friend in domain biz and he makes like $10k a month and i laugh cause i build/run sites and make his monthly income in 4-5 days.. so w/e

Oh, and no, you don't.
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/832800-hmm-sales-job-post14279946.html

ManufacturingMan 08-08-2008 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14582387)

Whoops, caught! hah :1orglaugh

notime 08-08-2008 12:12 PM

I bought a 10 letter domain last year for 27K.
.com's are good but it better if they are in english, short, context relevant & easy to remember for surfers. (unless you wanna use it for Dutch/Belgian traffic for KUT is a good name)

XPays 08-08-2008 12:14 PM

if you look at the sales charts for LLL.com's, that seems in-line or just a touch high, but not crazy imho for a pronounceable CVC.com

TampaToker 08-08-2008 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14582387)

lol nice catch

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14582387)



yeah i do? i make money online and everyone keeps thinking i dont have a real job.. besides IF YOU READ WELL ull see i was saying how i wanted a "regular" job. Frankly im bored as heck staying at home all day..

Jesus.. ive been messing with internet since i was 13yrs old.lol I paid my way through private school at $40k/yr+ and I have a house/cars.. you can go fuck yourself :P

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 12:29 PM

people assume too much.. go back on my post history.. you'll see me asking how to invest $100k.. Or how i spent $20k on a dubai vacation..

assumption is a bad thing.. I know people who work 9-5 but still pull $xxx,xxx on the internet..

heh people are dumb

DId you miss this post too?

Originally Posted by xxweekxx View Post
Entry level sucks ass..

I just cant imagine slaving away in school to graduate top of class, then get a job working 9-5 and making maybe $40k/yr

ut 2yrs ago before mortgage took a shitter i was able to make that 40k in A MONTH sitting in front of my pc..

See why my mind is still fucked up? Once you get suckered into 9-5 you are screwed. yes you get paid but they own your life too


My mortgage only made me $40k+/month consistently for over a year.. Not to talk of adult biz.. What you think i blew all that money?

dumb fuck

czarina 08-08-2008 12:31 PM

3 letter .com domains are not a dime a dozen. So even if right now it has no value for its traffic at some point it will be worth a lot of money.
Try to bargain it down, but if you have the 65K to spend and can hold on to the domain for a while or even develop some sort of hype site on it, go for it.

Libertine 08-08-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582450)
yeah i do? i make money online and everyone keeps thinking i dont have a real job.. besides IF YOU READ WELL ull see i was saying how i wanted a "regular" job. Frankly im bored as heck staying at home all day..

Jesus.. ive been messing with internet since i was 13yrs old.lol I paid my way through private school at $40k/yr+ and I have a house/cars.. you can go fuck yourself :P

You said in this thread that you make $800k-$900k a year.

Now, the other thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14279660)
well its about $$$.. If a job can make me more than a standard 9-5 ill take it. Plus with this job you set your own hours.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14279893)
yea no doubt.. in 10yrs with my biz degree ill make $150k at least.

But who wants to slave away for 10yrs @ $50k.hr

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14279781)
Entry level sucks ass..

I just cant imagine slaving away in school to graduate top of class, then get a job working 9-5 and making maybe $40k/yr

But 2yrs ago before mortgage took a shitter i was able to make that 40k in A MONTH sitting in front of my pc..

See why my mind is still fucked up? Once you get suckered into 9-5 you are screwed. yes you get paid but they own your life too

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14279679)
yeah ive been thinking about this more and more.. :( Just trying to figure out what to start..

Shit sucks.. Made so much money wheeling and dealing in mortgage now its dead. I busted my ass in school, came out top of class. Now cant even use the degree to make more than $40k/yr first year.lol

I think I'll leave it at this. You bragged, lied a bit, got called on it. It happens.

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 12:39 PM

i never said i make 800k in this thread.lol wtf..i dont have to lie/brag on internet..wtf is point? i am BORED of being 22yr sitting on pc all day and making X100 than my friends... i wanted a regular job but pay sux so i said fuck it

if u must kno, i *used* to make 600k+ no too long ago. now its down to half that or so

Linguist 08-08-2008 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582450)
yeah i do? i make money online and everyone keeps thinking i dont have a real job.. besides IF YOU READ WELL ull see i was saying how i wanted a "regular" job. Frankly im bored as heck staying at home all day..

Jesus.. ive been messing with internet since i was 13yrs old.lol I paid my way through private school at $40k/yr+ and I have a house/cars.. you can go fuck yourself :P

Why do you stay home all day if you only work 2-3 hours a day tops?

Get a boat and go sailing or go meet chicks or something...

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 12:45 PM

did u miss this post too?

xxweekxx
Life is good

Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,530


Bro listen to me!! I bought my first car at 17..

Infiniti G35 COUPE FULLY LOADED with navigation, came out to $40,000 total.

Unlike u, it didnt empty my bank account BUT if i could take it back i would..

Why? Because ive spent over $100k on that car, YES, 100K!!

First insurance was running me $7k/yr in NJ, not to talk of people denting my bumper in parking lots and me coming out to find out my bumper is fucked, then having to spend like $2k to fix it(My insurance deductable is $2,000 so i might as well not go thru insurance)

Ive had people ding my door, etc.. Besides, i get around 14MPG the way i drive, therefore it costs like $60 to fill up that 20 gallon tank..

And i have 60,000 miles. so divide ull get around 4000 gallons that ive used in gas over the years.. Multiply that and ive spent around $10k for gas over the years..

haha the maintenance is ridiculous.... recently just spent $2k for new break disc pads, rotors, etc.. not to talk of the services that run me like $1k or more depending..

Ive also lost 4 low profile tires to the fucking manholes in NJ, btw each of my tires are 19" and they cost around $300

I could go on and on.. I know ive spent over $100k on my car because i did taxes and i ordered bank statements dating back and i tallied it up, it came up to like $112,000.. RIDICULOUS>.

So i would have saved that $100k if i went and bought like a toyota..

SO DONT GO BUY THIS CAR! if insurance doesnt kill u, gas will kill u, if gas doesnt kill u, maintenance will, if that doesnt kill u, dumbasses denting ur car will...

DID I enjoy my car? YES do i love it now? YES.. Will i get another expensive car? Yea, but now im almost 22.

save your money invest in some other shit.. i woulda been at least $50k richer now if i didnt buy this car.. $50k is a shit load of money..

OH YEAH when i bought the car i spent 6% on tax on top of the $40k, so do the math. ive also gotten numerous speeding and parking tickets which i didnt include

maybe u should read all my posts first.. ive been VERY consistent and have no reason to lie

Libertine 08-08-2008 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582491)
i never said i make 800k in this thread.lol wtf..i dont have to lie/brag on internet..wtf is point? i am BORED of being 22yr sitting on pc all day and making X100 than my friends... i wanted a regular job but pay sux so i said fuck it

if u must kno, i *used* to make 600k+ no too long ago. now its down to half that or so

You never said you make 800k in this thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14582290)
I have a friend in domain biz and he makes like $10k a month and i laugh cause i build/run sites and make his monthly income in 4-5 days.. so w/e

$10k every 4-5 days is $2k-$2.5k a day. $2k-$2.5k times 365 is $730k-$912.2k.

But anyway, bored now. I don't believe a single word of what you're saying, but since it doesn't matter either way, I'm out of here. Enjoy your imaginary money :thumbsup

xxweekxx 08-08-2008 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linguist (Post 14582499)
Why do you stay home all day if you only work 2-3 hours a day tops?

Get a boat and go sailing or go meet chicks or something...

BRO I KNOW.. BUT I JUST GRADUATED.. ALL.. and i mean ALL my friends do 9-5 thing. I have nobody to go sailing with..
I have a gf im loyal to and she works 9-5 too

So basically im stuck at home watching movies/working out all day long..

Wanted to get 9-5 but it didnt make sense slaving away for $40k/yr..

Also felt like my degree was a waste. I spent $40k/yr tuition. graduated with 3.7 honors magna cum laude, student whos who in america, etc

yet its all a waste?


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