Alec Helmly personally Supports .XXX
 

Efforts to get a statement directly from him on the xbiz boards back this up.

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Now we know why he is buddy buddy with Lawley...wanna bet theres money involved?

hate the game buddy

I do hate the game specially when people are playin it with my life and my money.

I dunno, I kinda think that if XBiz is in ICMRs pocket...that's relevant. Specially when XBiz is falling all over themselves to APPEAR to be against .XXX

Can you say Agent Provacateur?

bump u up

Aren't A) spreading a false accusation, and B) posting links to another board BOTH bannable offenses here on GFY?

if the link is an offense I apologize and am fine with a mod removing it but as far as a false accusation....the fact is that alec refuses to answer personally and from what I see it seems obvious that he supports .XXX which is FINE by me...but he should at least have the balls to say he supports it.

read the GFY rules, I do

Don't know who supports what, but looking at that thread there, it's obvious that .xxx is perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board than it is on GFY.

Alec's track record is well known and very transparent how he plays his games :)

The lack of any response from Helmy is no surprise - it must be a very difficult to give a "Yes" or "No" answer when money is at stake....

A possible comparison is listening to most other news media, then listening to FoxNews :thumbsup

Oddly, Alec reminds me of FoxNews :winkwink:

You crack me up with this. If I answered every thread where some idiot has DEMANDED an answer on something, it's all I'd do. I'd imagine Alec feels the same way about how ridiculous you're acting.

Fuck .XXX, fuck Lawley, but this "calling people out" bullshit is EXACTLY what divides the industry and makes things like .XXX possible.

I think it's just that less bullshit is tolerated over there, because it's a much smaller board. GFY is *huge*, so the kids just get ignored. It's hard to miss a post over at the other place, because so few posts are made every day.

If someone comes into the other place spouting off nonsense backed up by a cheering section of one-post-wonders, it doesn't have as much of an impact. Just how we roll, I guess.

Gee I have only suggested that Alec answer a question that someone else posted. Mayber y'all have me confused with someone else. dont seem it would take that long for Alec to simply say no I do not support passage of .XXX

Or even Yes I do.

How do you figure? You weren't the child that created THIS thread? My mistake, then, and I sincerely apologize. GFY error, I guess.

P.S., I'm going to go for a run and then hop in the shower. I won't be back to this thread, you can beat your dead horse in peace. Get a bigger stick, though, it's more amusing to watch.

not really

If everyone was against .xxx and everyone voiced their opinion and said clearly that he is against, then .xxx wouldn't happen.

What could make .xxx possible (personally I still think it will be rejected rather than approved) would be when some people (I don't know who) are silently supporting it as it is apparently the case now... and it looked to me like MikeSouth asked for a clarification that everyone from Xbiz is strongly opposed to .xxx

(if EVERYONE in this biz viewed .xxx in the same way like the US looks at terrorists then everyone would be happy to admit that they are a part of the "War against .xxx" - in which you are either "with us" or "against us" )

thats just some logic here, but I can't comment on the personal aspects since I don't know the people in question on such level.

edit:

shit, I was 1 minute too late :(

Sure edge.. there is definately more substance on the other place including a number of very good articles and less "would you hit it?" threads.

Only my :2 cents: but also see a "contest" there and an attempt at arrogance with the assumption "we know best" coupled with a strong desire to lead the whole industry *somewhere*.

Why do I think XBiz exists for Alec and as a "tool" to portay a face of "righteousness" - along with several other things where he has a finger in the pie? There is nothing wrong with many of these "projects" - in fact, can be the reverse - but coming from a guy in the porn biz, exudes an aura of someone trying to be something they are not.

Can't help but think Lawley and Helmy would make and handsome couple and hot bedmates - they both have similar motivation factors and playing a role as instigators, accompanied by the usual assumptions of being relevant to the adult industry - and with, of course, the industry's welfare in mind. Who could resist this charming couple? :pimp

gee edgeprod you sure are defensive...reckon why? Did we hit a sore spot maybe??

I bet if you followed this to its end...youd find money in the hands of XBiz.

EVERY business issue is "perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board than it is on GFY"

*I* gave Mike a response, and to paraphrase the way one of our mods put it, "if Tony Snow tells you something, you can be sure it came from Bush; the President doesn't need to directly respond to idiots."

I'm not saying anything about Alec's personal viewpoints, but the fact is that business is about making money, so yes, you'll always "find money in the hands of XBiz" – but that doesn't mean there's some sweetheart deal...

As a side note, I know some of the people behind the .xxx deal (which was a done deal two years ago) – but that info did NOT come from anyone at XBIZ. If I told you the names and details I have heard, then you'd really have a shit for yourself...

It's the names I've heard, BTW, that make me believe that .xxx is inevitable – and if you're smart, you'll be thinking about how you'll respond when it comes – not waste your time pointing and whining about things you know nothing about.

I dunno about Y'all but my BULLSHIT detector just redlined.

That is an extremely feeble response. Someone may have his own personal agenda for wanting XXX to pass, but for the industry as a whole, the application as it stands can only be bad news. That is the core, regardless of whether the issue is discussed in a measured manner or cluttered with GFY's usual sigwhores and juveniles.

No-one in this industry can seriously believe XXX will do anything to exclude minors from porn sites.

No-one can welcome the possibility, however remote they may perceive it to be, that we might one day be ghettoized.

There isn't s single, solitary benefit to be gained from XXX except by those involved directly with the would-be registrar or who plan to speculate in the domain names the TLD will allow.

Even this latter group would do well to see past their anticipated short-term gains and consider that they are helping put potential control over who does business and how, into the hands of someone who has cynically distorted his motives and intentions, to get this far. They are damn fools if they think that past acquaintance or present deals guarantee that in future they will not be in as much trouble as the rest of us, if our fears about XXX play out.

even if they get it passed it wont mean shit. just another .whaterver whogivesashit.

Stephen:
So far... it took three posts - one to praise XBiz, one to imply Alec can be compared to a "leader" and the third to convey, "mind your own busineess - you are an idiot".

In answer to each...

(a) Fine.. agree.

(b) Helmy is Helmy - he sure as hell is no leader. He was blessed with a mouth and like everyone else, can use it to say "Yes" or "No".

(c) Suppose this is a demonstration of the arrogance in the "XBiz team" - of course you know better and others are all idiots.

I never noticed baddog actually asking you for your opinion on whether Helmy supported .XXX TLD's or not Stephen - he asked Helmy, who obviously he is going thru a dumb phase and unable to respond.

Yes, UNLESS it becomes mandatory (legislated) that (domestic) adult sites migrate to .xxx – then you'll see a serious re-shuffling of the deck – which is the real reason why so many people are opposed to .xxx

As a side note, that re-shuffling might not change too much, since the same folks that were "big names" when I got into adult in '96 will be the same "big names" to profit.

That will never happen. Just a wet dream of some scammer.

Not at all. Lloyd is one of our longest term members and moderators and he knows *exactly* how things work at XBIZ. If you ask Alec something and I'm the one that responds, it's the same as if it came from his lips. Baddog knows this and all of this bullshit drama is just that, "bullshit drama"

Don't you people have something more profitable to do with your time?

Here's an idea: what if all of you that so streneously oppose .xxx don't buy any .xxx domains when they become available? Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to support this initiative ? after all, since this is just a money scam, what better way to thwart it than to not play along?

Oddly, I bet that the loudest squakers will be the first to pay up...

I never asked you about "how things work at XBiz" - it's a topic that could not be of less interest.

OK.. So Helmy needs a mouthpiece to speak for him? That's your burden.

Obviously you having nothing more profitable to do than spend time here attempting to speak for your 'leader" - quit whining about others making comment and making pathetic attempts to decry them as being "idiots" and playing the role of drama queens.

It's very easy Stephen - there is more than good reason to consider Helmy has his finger in the .XXX pie and his "personal views" are more relevant than any staff at XBiz. Your "leader" was asked for a two or three character response - nothing more, nothing less - but failed.

Not sure, but I think I said pretty much the same thing in another thread. I can't imagine Stephen, Tom or anyone else from XBiz speaking on behalf of Alec without his blessing.

I understand Alec is your boss so you have to lick his ass. He is not President of the United States he is not even the President of IBM,he is just a guy. I always saw you as a standup guy. I have a feeling if you weren't collecting a paycheck, you would be speaking differently. Also you know who supports this, be a real newspaper and out them. It's very sad, I thought with Xbiz we had a chance at a real industry newspaper, nope just a another tool to sell ads. Very sad :( Xbiz isnt a more serious place than GFY its just a place that everyone agrees more with the staus quo.

"i have a meat torpedo in my pants."


~posted for Juicy D. Links

(He couldn't make it and asked me to post this)

also what is the link to cancel both my subscriptions, Stephen

Although I've been there since day one, I'm not "an employee" of XBIZ and Alec is not my "leader" he's my friend. I invest in him because I believe in his vision, drive and capability. If he asks me to do something like answer a question that he's too busy making money to deal with, then I'm more than happy to do that for him.

He didn't "fail" he provided a clear and specific response that I posted for him.

This whole "issue" is the same as a telemarketer being pissed off because when he called at dinner time to sell some aluminum siding, he got hung up on...

So you write all those articles for free? Alec is too busy making money to post yes or no himself? it would of took less effort then telling you to do it lol

I didn't say that I wasn't paid, I said I wasn't "an employee"

And, yes, Alec is too busy; but even if he wasn't, why do you think he is obligated to respond to "demands"?

What I don't understand is why all the focus on Helmy?

I don't see demands that Joe, Ron, the folks behind the biggest cash contest currently running on this site, or anyone else what their stance is, yet, those folks (and others) are the ones you should be asking...

We give you an opportunity to discuss the matter with the guy behind it all and we get to be the bad guys?

I will tell you why, he owns what has become the paper of record for the adult industry. Also his company invited ICM to speak at a adult event on the assumption .xxx will passed . I dont think this will show well for the industry with icann. I personally held Alec to a higher standard because of his work founding ASACP and the great paper that his organization created.
I guess I was wrong and I feel alittle sad actually.
Also this .xxx coming back and reactions has shown me what a short sighted whore industry I work in.